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The American Thinker attempts to give a patina of intellectualism to the loco right by writing long articles with advanced vocabulary about the topics and opinions frequently espoused by folks who have trouble ordering their thoughts and spelling correctly. Their newest foray is to take a bunch of gobbeldy-blogging from an ongoing discussion on The Conservative Treehouse and report it as substance.

Their point seems to be that the state of Florida ought not even bother with a trial, but should just let George Zimmerman go free on the charge that he murdered Trayvon Martin. There is, of course, a legal process by which this could happen at this point. Florida law provides for an immunity hearing in which a judge can decide, based on a preponderance of evidence presented by the defense, that the accused ought not be tried because he killed in self defense (defined statutorily by Stand Your Ground, or, I believe under simple self-defense). The reason that the Treehouse folks, and American Thinker are doing back-flips right now is because Zimmerman's attorney just told the judge to release the calendar dates that had been reserved for such hearing.

The article recounts a lot of familiar yada yada yada about mainstream media and the President and the importance of Zimmerman's Hispanic heritage. Then it veers off into repeating a lot of internet rumors supposedly based on the sleuthers at the TreeHouse and their agility in pulling "evidence" from social media. Never mind that the same folks have published a lot of false info, including a picture of a thirty-something rap artist that they claimed was Martin. Never mind that they have exposed social media (and other info in a process known as "doxing") belonging to at least one minor who turned out NOT to be one of the witnesses. But they claim to have proof positive of Trayvon's "keen interest" in MMA-style fighting, which apparently establishes that he used this to beat up George Z. Never mind that the witness who claims to have seen this happen later recanted. And never mind that there is no forensic substantiation (No Zimmerman DNA found on Trayvon's hands or sleeves).

Sorry. Not only does George Zimmerman deserve his day in court, but Trayvon Martin deserves to have his death investigated and the perpetrater subjected to all legal processes provided under the law.

Just bear in mind that it was Zimmerman's legal team who made the decision to pass on the immunity hearing.

Ref'd article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/03/why_fl...

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You have a patina of sense. Yada yada yada. Of course these "facts" that americanthinker espouse are not agreed to by the obamapress. That's the way it works Reader. No fact could change your preconcieved ideas about the vicimization of hoodie. And yes I bear in mind the it was Zimms team that made that decision. I am glad they are going to court. A judges gavel won't free him. A jury will. The press hype won't be the "evidence". In a trial.....the evidence will be the evidence. If they are going to take it to the jury they must feel pretty good about case huh? Makes some sense to forego the easy way out, wouldn't want any nagging questions about guilt and finger pointing to that horrible ole stand your ground.
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George Zimmerman is a jewish hispanic.

As a jewish hispanic, he received preferential treatment by the police because he is a Diversity person.

His jewish father is a judge, a high level Diversity person; the police delayed arresting Zimmerman because of his familial connections.

Zimmerman killed another Diversity person after stalking him.

There is a pecking order in the Diversity scheme. The leaders of Diversity will generally get preferential treament when in conflict with the rank-and-file of Diversity.

Another interesting angle of the story is that Zimmerman was labeled a white man by mass media, and that he received preferential treament because he was white. The truth is that Zimmerman is a Diversity person that assaulted another Diversity person, and he received preferential treatment because he is higher ranking in the Diversity pyramid scheme, where jewish hispanic trumps african american.

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You have a patina of sense. Yada yada yada. Of course these "facts" that americanthinker espouse are not agreed to by the obamapress. That's the way it works Reader. No fact could change your preconcieved ideas about the vicimization of hoodie. And yes I bear in mind the it was Zimms team that made that decision. I am glad they are going to court. A judges gavel won't free him. A jury will. The press hype won't be the "evidence". In a trial.....the evidence will be the evidence. If they are going to take it to the jury they must feel pretty good about case huh? Makes some sense to forego the easy way out, wouldn't want any nagging questions about guilt and finger pointing to that horrible ole stand your ground.
OK, let's think this thing through. You are George Zimmerman. Your attorney explains to you that you have a good chance of being granted immunity from trial by a judge, you get to tell your story, and it looks good that she will believe your tale of self defense.

You can do that, or just wait, have a trial, and take a chance on convincing six people you have never met that that you are not guilty. If there is a chance at immunity, no attorney in their right mind would walk right past it.

The self defense case is incredibly weak--particularly if they have to put George on the stand and allow him to be cross examined. Their only hope is to keep him off the stand and try to destroy the prosecution's case in other ways.
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FKA Reader wrote:
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OK, let's think this thing through. You are George Zimmerman. Your attorney explains to you that you have a good chance of being granted immunity from trial by a judge, you get to tell your story, and it looks good that she will believe your tale of self defense.
You can do that, or just wait, have a trial, and take a chance on convincing six people you have never met that that you are not guilty. If there is a chance at immunity, no attorney in their right mind would walk right past it.
The self defense case is incredibly weak--particularly if they have to put George on the stand and allow him to be cross examined. Their only hope is to keep him off the stand and try to destroy the prosecution's case in other ways.
above is baseless opinion from a drunken hood rat.

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above is baseless opinion from a drunken hood rat.
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Projection there, RS?

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Reader, you believe the tripe media. He has a great defense? And yes, if they keep him off the stand that would signify guilt as always and would be a very bad move, but that will only happen in your world. You assume they must turn into pretzels to defend the "stalker" when nothing of the sort is needed. Only because you believe the tripe? When your clean you sing it to the world. There's really nothing we can discuss since you believe all the set up coverage done by the media and you are part of the victimization industry by default being a defender of the poor slave decendants that just can't help themselves or control their behavior to a civilized level, or never muster up any
responsibility for being fed,clothed and warehoused at Uncle Sugars expense.
Let me ask you this. If he is acquitted should the President of ALL Americans,black,white,brown,ye llow,purple....should he apologize for inciting his rat army to riot should Zimms hide not be delivered for celebratory debauchery. I know that pissy little backhanded comment about having a son that looked like Hoodie surpised no one but it is not the kind of, "lets not jump to conclusions" calming influence one would expect from a non counter culture President.

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Reader, you believe the tripe media. He has a great defense? And yes, if they keep him off the stand that would signify guilt as always and would be a very bad move, but that will only happen in your world. You assume they must turn into pretzels to defend the "stalker" when nothing of the sort is needed. Only because you believe the tripe? When your clean you sing it to the world. There's really nothing we can discuss since you believe all the set up coverage done by the media and you are part of the victimization industry by default being a defender of the poor slave decendants that just can't help themselves or control their behavior to a civilized level, or never muster up any
responsibility for being fed,clothed and warehoused at Uncle Sugars expense.
Let me ask you this. If he is acquitted should the President of ALL Americans,black,white,brown,ye llow,purple....should he apologize for inciting his rat army to riot should Zimms hide not be delivered for celebratory debauchery. I know that pissy little backhanded comment about having a son that looked like Hoodie surpised no one but it is not the kind of, "lets not jump to conclusions" calming influence one would expect from a non counter culture President.
Perhaps you need to be reminded that there have been no riots. There are people who get very worried, however, if they see a lot of black people all standing together.

My opinions regarding this case come primarily, at this point, from studying evidence and listening to interviews. That is, I read the autopsy and DNA Reports. I am familiar with what the police found at the scene. I have looked at where, according to police reports, the body was found. I have followed a lot of side-by-side comparisons of Zimmerman's story to the police about where he was at each point during his recorded call, when he left his vehicle and why. I have viewed a LOT of photos of Zimmerman taken over the course of time immediately following the shooting--most by the police, one by a neighbor.

The nearly inescapable conclusion is that George Zimmerman is lying about all kinds of details that simply don't fit, and the more he is challenged, the more elaborate his lies become.

If one were to eliminate every single word from George Zimmerman's mouth about what happened, and draw conclusions based solely on the evidence--and perhaps the words of eye witnesses, although their stories end up being fairly garbled when pieced together--the possible scenarios come nowhere close to the path that George describes or the events.

Now, there are some key pieces still missing--stuff that hasn't yet been made public. A couple are very likely to be even more damaging to George's story--and who knows what the defense could still be hiding.

But, no. I haven't decided based on some media picture.
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Perhaps you need to be reminded that there have been no riots. There are people who get very worried, however, if they see a lot of black people all standing together.
My opinions regarding this case come primarily, at this point, from studying evidence and listening to interviews. That is, I read the autopsy and DNA Reports. I am familiar with what the police found at the scene. I have looked at where, according to police reports, the body was found. I have followed a lot of side-by-side comparisons of Zimmerman's story to the police about where he was at each point during his recorded call, when he left his vehicle and why. I have viewed a LOT of photos of Zimmerman taken over the course of time immediately following the shooting--most by the police, one by a neighbor.
The nearly inescapable conclusion is that George Zimmerman is lying about all kinds of details that simply don't fit, and the more he is challenged, the more elaborate his lies become.
If one were to eliminate every single word from George Zimmerman's mouth about what happened, and draw conclusions based solely on the evidence--and perhaps the words of eye witnesses, although their stories end up being fairly garbled when pieced together--the possible scenarios come nowhere close to the path that George describes or the events.
Now, there are some key pieces still missing--stuff that hasn't yet been made public. A couple are very likely to be even more damaging to George's story--and who knows what the defense could still be hiding.
But, no. I haven't decided based on some media picture.
your opinion is useless hood rat speak.

who cares?

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[long but collected paragraph detailing the information she's accessed]

[Name calling, followed by an awkward dismissal]

You've missed your true calling, Reals. You could have been a Rhodes scholar. Brilliant debate skills in action.
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You've missed your true calling, Reals. You could have been a Rhodes scholar. Brilliant debate skills in action.
why would I want that?

sales is more fun and pays better.

you just continue on in your minimum wage editing position; and I will ignore your useless opinions.

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why would I want that?
sales is more fun and pays better.
you just continue on in your minimum wage editing position; and I will ignore your useless opinions.
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I don't work. I'm a student.

Also, I'm horrified at the very idea of minimum wage editing. Even freelance, the rates aren't terrible. Are things really so bad out there that such a thing is possible?
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I don't work. I'm a student.
Also, I'm horrified at the very idea of minimum wage editing. Even freelance, the rates aren't terrible. Are things really so bad out there that such a thing is possible?
you would be over paid with minimum wage renumeration for your services at present.

keep studying.....it is evident you require education.

life experience in a job would be also recommended for your education purposes.

you vomiting your fantasy utopia is sickening as well as comical.

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you would be over paid with minimum wage renumeration for your services at present.
keep studying.....it is evident you require education.
life experience in a job would be also recommended for your education purposes.
you vomiting your fantasy utopia is sickening as well as comical.
I've worked in roles including education, the legal sector and the dreaded monolith that is "consulting" before coming back for my PHD. As I'm wrapping things up now, I'm having a bit of a think about what I want to go into afterwards. I would really love to do something that lets me use my language skills more fully. All of the wedding fuss and honeymoon should provide a bit of time to kick back and think things out. That was the idea, at least. Between sorting the ceremony, the flat and trying to sort out the incredible amount of paperwork that all of this takes, I've not really managed to think of anything farther reaching than ivory v/s white icing.

I'm not entirely sure I would recommend telling someone they need further education through such a low level of English. It rather distracts from the message. If you're looking to deliver a cutting blow about someone's level of education, presenting yourself as educated and articulate is going to make your message go further.

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you vomiting your fantasy utopia is sickening as well as comical.
Two quick questions.

1. Do you know what utopia means?
2. Assuming you do, could you help more clearly outline where you feel I've been writing about one? I'm not really seeing anything in our exchange that would fit my working knowledge of the concept.

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your opinion is useless hood rat speak.
who cares?
What a witty and insightful rejoinder!
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What a witty and insightful rejoinder!
The sad fact is that liberals like you "created" Trayvon with you entitlement programs and affirmative action along with eliminating prayer in school and corporal punishment, which males need to exercise self control. Young Black Males are out of control and Zimmerman was doing what he could to keep his neighborhood safe. That you cannot, or will not, see these plain facts is indeed sad.
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The sad fact is that liberals like you "created" Trayvon with you entitlement programs and affirmative action along with eliminating prayer in school and corporal punishment, which males need to exercise self control. Young Black Males are out of control and Zimmerman was doing what he could to keep his neighborhood safe. That you cannot, or will not, see these plain facts is indeed sad.
now that was a well thought out response.

I might add that plenty of young white males are out of control for the exact reasons you explained above.

your above post also explains the moral decay of our society; and reason we tumble at a rapid pace.

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Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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The sad fact is that liberals like you "created" Trayvon with you entitlement programs and affirmative action along with eliminating prayer in school and corporal punishment, which males need to exercise self control. Young Black Males are out of control and Zimmerman was doing what he could to keep his neighborhood safe. That you cannot, or will not, see these plain facts is indeed sad.
Oliver, the reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever to substantiate the notion that Trayvon Martin was doing anything at all on that day beyond walking home from the 7-11. And wearing a hoodie. And being black.

I would also note that if the absence of prayer and corporal punishment in schools were the problem, George Zimmerman was equally impacted by these things. And there is a bit MORE to indicate that he had difficulty, over time, in keeping himself under control, especially when he was angry or had been drinking.

Zimmerman's notion of keeping his neighborhood safe included carrying a gun and trailing any young black male that he saw. He displayed anger that "they always get away," followed Trayvon as he had followed others and in the end shot an unarmed kid who was up to nothing more than returning home.

If you believe that there is evidence of something else, please feel free to offer it.

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now that was a well thought out response.
I might add that plenty of young white males are out of control for the exact reasons you explained above.
your above post also explains the moral decay of our society; and reason we tumble at a rapid pace.
I'm sorry to hear about your moral decay.

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