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#248 Aug 21, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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http://cdj.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/124...
The sociologcial fallacy is when it is assumed that a particular idea exists for reasons of "social control" rather than the actual reason given.
In your example, you claimed that my "sarc"ing of the idea that women cannot be priests was not sarcasm, and that the rule exists so "old white men keep women down".
You assume the only reason why the rule exists is to keep women down, which is not the reason why. You are imagining that those who created the rule were motivated only by social control, which is the sociological fallacy.
You've earned the Topix Merit Badge for "Compassionate Spoonfeeding of Leftist Drones."
Good on you.
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Dublin, OH

#249 Aug 22, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Well, you have changed the scenario just a wee bit now, haven't you? In the scenario that you have created, comity wouldn't be an issue and neither would Sharia. Ohio law would apply.
British law hasn't "accepted" Sharia. There are people in Britain who have decided to opt out of the British justice system and voluntarily submit their disputes to Sharia courts for arbitration. Who are you to stop them from doing so? No one is forcing anyone to submit to Sharia.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is WRONG with you people? The women DO NOT voluntarily go to courts that do not respect them or treat them fairly. You have flipped out entirely for the sole purpose of scoring points against your nemeses here. Unfrigginbelievable. You complain about black folks not being treated as full citizens in this country, but excuse Muslim women who are not being treated as full citizens in other countries.

Just when you think you've heard it all....
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Dublin, OH

#250 Aug 22, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Have you ever met a Muslim?
I am friends with Muslims who converted and are no longer Muslims, and you can put that on record. I am also friends with temperate Muslims who are horrified at some of the things that go on in this world, and fear for their children. A complicated society we live in, but I will listen to them over you any day of the week for my education.
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Dublin, OH

#251 Aug 22, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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Sharia law already exists in the US. Much in the same form as it does in the US. In a form that mirrors other religious forms of private arbitration.
Could you explain to me why you feel religious arbitration in the US or other western nations should be barred? Or if you're specifically arguing to bar only one form of religious court, how you would differentiate their processes from those of other faiths? I'm really interested to see how much you know.
If you feel I've unfairlyarked you as poorly informed, please walk me through a quick overview of how these systems work. Bonus points if you can talk about how they fit into a wider landscape of private arbitration!
You're just plain weird.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#252 Aug 22, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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You're just plain weird.
How weird, asking people who claim to be well informed on the subject to detail their level of understanding.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#253 Aug 22, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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http://cdj.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/2/124...
The sociologcial fallacy is when it is assumed that a particular idea exists for reasons of "social control" rather than the actual reason given.
In your example, you claimed that my "sarc"ing of the idea that women cannot be priests was not sarcasm, and that the rule exists so "old white men keep women down".
You assume the only reason why the rule exists is to keep women down, which is not the reason why. You are imagining that those who created the rule were motivated only by social control, which is the sociological fallacy.
Ah, but you have forgotten about the Bullshit Fallacy. That is when someone tries to justify a system that results in the repression of a class of people with some bullshit justification that in their mind excuses the discriminatory policy.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#254 Aug 22, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is WRONG with you people? The women DO NOT voluntarily go to courts that do not respect them or treat them fairly. You have flipped out entirely for the sole purpose of scoring points against your nemeses here. Unfrigginbelievable. You complain about black folks not being treated as full citizens in this country, but excuse Muslim women who are not being treated as full citizens in other countries.
Just when you think you've heard it all....
Here is an idea for those Muslim women. Don't be Muslim anymore.

And the topic of this thread was Sharia coming to Oklahoma, wasn't it?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#255 Aug 22, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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I am friends with Muslims who converted and are no longer Muslims, and you can put that on record. I am also friends with temperate Muslims who are horrified at some of the things that go on in this world, and fear for their children. A complicated society we live in, but I will listen to them over you any day of the week for my education.
What do you do while your Muslim friends "beat, rape, stone and burn" their women? Do you intervene? Do you call the police?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#256 Aug 22, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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How weird, asking people who claim to be well informed on the subject to detail their level of understanding.
I know, right?
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#257 Aug 22, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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I am friends with Muslims who converted and are no longer Muslims, and you can put that on record. I am also friends with temperate Muslims who are horrified at some of the things that go on in this world, and fear for their children. A complicated society we live in, but I will listen to them over you any day of the week for my education.
And would you agree that there are billions of "temperate Muslims who are horrified at some of the things that go on in this world, and fear for their children"?

If so, shouldn't that cause you to conclude that the entire premise of this thread, and the theory that Islam is not a religion are both utter
fallacies?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#258 Aug 22, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Meow, remember we were also removing ourselves from the Church of England?
Chris Columbus wasn't.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#259 Aug 22, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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And as such, I haven't found a basis for the arguments about how evil Catholicism is based on the actions of a handful of bad priests and having morals or rejecting abortion. Presenting reasoning against abortion is met with what around here? Care to answer that question? I often find it a denial of science itself...
So you care to apply a stereotype based on a few insults to a large segment of the population?
Nobody here is arguing that Catholicism or Christianity is inherently evil. That's the point.

Neither are Muslims.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#260 Aug 22, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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A court in Ohio WOULD be involved in a dispute if they became US citizens and resided in Ohio PRIOR to the divorce. Particularly if they had children who were born here and are US citizens by birth. Custody laws and all...
Sharia law does not recognize secular law. In the instance of a Spanish couple, it likely wouldn't be a problem.
Take into consideration that Sharia law acknowledges that a female is eligible for marriage at the onset of menstruation... take into consideration Sharia law is heavy handed at how it dismisses women and condones violence by males. Look at how acknowledgement of Sharia law has worked in the UK and other places in Europe. Do avail yourself of others' thinking, with some understanding that mere acceptance that you have can lead to future approval of a system that is not desired...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/arti...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio...
Many are considering this issue because of the very real possibilities it presents, due in part of the "acceptance" of Brits who are now seeing more ugly issues crop up. The very basis of Sharia law is marriage and family, and that system is very much different than ours. There is a very large Muslim immigrant population, just look at the population mix in Ann Arbor or Dearborn, MI and just north of here. There's a large Muslim population in Toledo as well. Do you mean to imply immigrants have never once influenced our laws, our culture, or our fundamental family units?
Sharia "Law" does not apply in US Federal or state courts. Any Muslim in either the US or UK is free to exit their religion and call the police if they are being beaten by their abusive husband, just as any Catholic or Mormon woman is free to do.

Much ado about nothing.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#261 Aug 22, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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That's hyperbolic.
What we are saying is that terrorism is indicative that Islam is a system that legitimizes aggression against the "kuffir".
Not all Muslims may be that violent, but a broad spectrum of Muslims have Anti-Western views and give casual acceptance of violence. Particularly regarding Israel.
Saying that all the priests are pedophiles is also inaccurate, but it would be accurate to say that the RCC hierarchy had a problem with covering up sexual abusers.
Your stuck with leftist blinders that inhibit you from blaming a Third World "other" for causing problems. The idea that White Christian Men cause everything bad is particularly rampant with lefists here and elsewhere.
So based upon your theory, is the Vietnam War evidence from which one can conclude that Christianity is a system that legitimizes aggression against the infidel as well ?

If you're going to be intellectually honest, it is.

woof

Since: Jun 13

Hilliard, OH

#262 Aug 22, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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So based upon your theory, is the Vietnam War evidence from which one can conclude that Christianity is a system that legitimizes aggression against the infidel as well ?
If you're going to be intellectually honest, it is.
woof
You never took a class in geo-politics in your life...and it shows. Vietnam was a Cold War chessboard move. Nothing more.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#263 Aug 22, 2013
Diamond Eugene wrote:
<quoted text>You never took a class in geo-politics in your life...and it shows. Vietnam was a Cold War chessboard move. Nothing more.
You ignore my point, because you always assume you think you know where I'm going.

You don't.

911 was the act of a minutely small sub group of Muslims, fanatical extremists led by a narcissistic, well-funded, intelligent extremist religious zealot who believed and advocated that America was oppressing Muslims in the Middle East. A sociopath, much like David Koresh, only smarter, and more successful at achieving his objectives.

911 was as much an act of war by Muslims against Christians as Vietnam was an act of war by Christians against the North Vietnamese Communists.

woof

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Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#264 Aug 22, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Chris Columbus wasn't.
woof
Chris is relevant to England or the church of England how ????????

Since: Jun 13

Hilliard, OH

#265 Aug 22, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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You ignore my point, because you always assume you think you know where I'm going.
You don't.
911 was the act of a minutely small sub group of Muslims, fanatical extremists led by a narcissistic, well-funded, intelligent extremist religious zealot who believed and advocated that America was oppressing Muslims in the Middle East. A sociopath, much like David Koresh, only smarter, and more successful at achieving his objectives.
911 was as much an act of war by Muslims against Christians as Vietnam was an act of war by Christians against the North Vietnamese Communists.
woof
Every last syllable of that post demonstrates a boatload of ignorance and a total lack of understanding of geopolitics.
How quickly you ignore the Beirut barracks bombing, the first WTC attack in 1993, the Khobar Towers bombing, the two African embassy bombings, the USS Cole, the 7/7 and 7/21 attacks in Britain, the Bali bombing, the Toronto 18, the Mumbai attacks, the Glasgow airport attack...and those merely scratch the surface.
You're an ignorant liar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_...
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Dublin, OH

#266 Aug 22, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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and the theory that Islam is not a religion are both utter
fallacies?
woof
On the contrary.
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Dublin, OH

#267 Aug 22, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What do you do while your Muslim friends "beat, rape, stone and burn" their women? Do you intervene? Do you call the police?
How offensive you are! I never said the above, yet you choose to add quotes as if I said such a thing. And yes, I certainly do call the police when I feel the need regardless of race, creed, religion, disability, marital status, etc., etc., etc.

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