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Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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No doubt markets are manipulated one ear.
What is your solution????
If it is socialism we will have to agree to disagree....
We are all reliant on each other, from the water you drink, the food you eat, the place you live, there would be no lights to turn on, roads to drive down,If it not for the fact we all have to co operate with each other.Mankind has worked towards a common goal of what we now call modern civilization. Something as critical thinkers, has taken some 200 thousands yrs, to evolve to the point we are now at.. As much as we like to think our individualism is more important than our societies as a whole, which is just a foolish thought of self conceit and arrogant ignorance,the truth is we are all still followers in a heard Everything that we know today is because of shared knowledge of all mankinds history,1000s of generations of trial and error,misery and achievement,Society and our human environments is not the work of one person or one ideal ,it is the contribution of all of us.. and if mankind is to evolve socially,, we need to work together in a way that is more beneficial for all of humanity and our environments.As a whole we must take responsibility for our actions, socially and environmentally..Most all of mankind's problems and suffering, are fabricated social indifference's, either by means of race, religion, or monetary inequality. A social pyramid of haves and havenots.A system we all willingly participate in one way or another.and give our absolute trust in..The kind of trust and solidarity that happens in time of war,we in our tribal insecurities will go to any extent for the cause of destruction and superiority. if we could just put that kind of energy and trust into a global infrastructure of education and public utility, responsible management of resources, I.m almost certain it would be more of a benefit, than the present day coarse we are on Some would say, it impossible to bring about this kind of solidarity and co-operation, but I would say our human history says differenitly,It is our evolutionary need of change and the need to work closer together, to live peacefully and respectively towards one anther.The freedom of choice and opportunity for all mankind.
We are no longer many separated Islands of ignorance and fear, we are one people existing on one planet .Yet, we do now have the science , technology, human ingenuity.intelligence, to better manage and preserve our environments.To monitor resources globally.If change is what you want, then we must participate in our social means of Democracy ,the only social tool that gives we the people the choice as to how it is our societies are managed, A global Direct Democracy would be ideal, but it requires educated votes towards those who represent the whole, rather than the current self interest of our now bread and circus political systems., is using the system to change the system.

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<quoted text> Yes ,I understand the US is a bread and circus republic, it also has a democratic process of elected representatives of the people,Congress.To voice and give concern and change policy and law making in the interest of the whole. You can not agree to disagree about the meaning of what capitalism is, it is not my personal view, but a fact. It is just the means in which our current free market is regulated. The mistake most seem to make is that it has anything to do with ,Democracy. They are 2 separate social tools in which we manage our societies.And again, the USA is no 43rd in wealth equality, 31st in public education. The only thing the USA is #1 for is national debt, and military control, something that is of totalitarian management and structure.If the current system is working for you, than, the restructuring of this current system is as just as important to you as it is to the other 99%. For if the trust of we the people , ceases in this current system, all that you have achieved, will be be for not.We the people are the ones who hold this pyramid of insularity going. We all have a responsibility, to work towards a better world. for all of humanity.Ignoring the problems that effect us all, is not going to make them go away.
I like conversing with you...

Still, you have not answered my question.

What is your better idea?

try not to be so verbose.....

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Feb 2, 2014
 
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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LOL
Well there ya go doggie boy.
Not only did I graduate from high school but unlike you my degree is not in ambulance chasing.
Again excess supply / lower demand results in lower prices.........economics 101
It's just that simple.
I have done my best to 'splain it to you Lucy but apparently facts are inconvenient to ya.
WOLF
Again you quote economic books as if they are laws that elitists follow. You will not see how it is our systems have become corrupted and manipulated for self interest..If our speculative markets where regulated we would not have had the irresponsibility of a few do so much economic suffering of the many. If a free market is what you want, than get rid of the federal reserve act and its fiat money supply of debt and servitude. Bring back the greenback, a debt free tool of trade and barter, based on actual commodity supply and labour. Something regulated by government,we the people.

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#105
Feb 2, 2014
 
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Cue Kumbayah.
come on Tip...Join in........
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#106
Feb 2, 2014
 
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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I like conversing with you...
Still, you have not answered my question.
What is your better idea?
try not to be so verbose.....
Having me as benevolent world dictator. I would let people govern themselves for the most part but would ban all homosexuals , skinnys, beaners and aggressive muslims from the planet. They would have the option of getting off earth at their expense or getting dead. Liberals would be used for medical testing and slave labor.

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oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Again you quote economic books as if they are laws that elitists follow. You will not see how it is our systems have become corrupted and manipulated for self interest..If our speculative markets where regulated we would not have had the irresponsibility of a few do so much economic suffering of the many. If a free market is what you want, than get rid of the federal reserve act and its fiat money supply of debt and servitude. Bring back the greenback, a debt free tool of trade and barter, based on actual commodity supply and labour. Something regulated by government,we the people.
Again one ear......I'm not sure we disagree yet........but you are interesting

Regarding the federal reserve and the ongoing printing of kited money..we might agree.....

Still what is your better idea? Are you a socialist?
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Feb 2, 2014
 
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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LOL
Well there ya go doggie boy.
Not only did I graduate from high school but unlike you my degree is not in ambulance chasing.
Again excess supply / lower demand results in lower prices.........economics 101
It's just that simple.
I have done my best to 'splain it to you Lucy but apparently facts are inconvenient to ya.
WOLF
I don't chase ambulances pizza boy.

And it is not that simple when you are dealing with a commodity that is controlled by a select few who can manipulate the supply, direct their products wherever profits can be maximized, and develop new markets where they can achieve that goal.

If you think that pipeline is going to reduce the amount of money you put into your gas tank every week or provide the US energy independence, you are a fool.

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They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Having me as benevolent world dictator. I would let people govern themselves for the most part but would ban all homosexuals , skinnys, beaners and aggressive muslims from the planet. They would have the option of getting off earth at their expense or getting dead. Liberals would be used for medical testing and slave labor.
We tend to be on the same page in a way. I would get the government off the backs of everyone.......with specificity entrepreneurs.
Radical Islamist....Don't get me started
I would certainly close the borders and eject ANYONE here illegally.(by any means necessary)

As for folks that don't mess with me, I would leave them alone as long as they don't attempt to impose their views on me.....

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I like conversing with you...
Still, you have not answered my question.
What is your better idea?
try not to be so verbose.....
It is not a matter of , what is my better ideal. But rather, a general consensus and solution of all of us.For me . I see no reason, for owners or leaders. I think there is to much separation between, we the people and government, We seem to forget that , we the people are government. And if we do not participate, in our democracies, than those who know how to manipulate it will. But things that would help America, get rid of the federal reserve act, get rid of lobbyist and self interest groups from politics, reverse the decision that gives corporations as much constitutional rights as its citizens,, And create infrastructure of a good relevant public education system, work on public utility and infrastructure, bring back the 90% taxation on the rich. Get rid of the speculative stock market, and bring back the commodity exchange. Work towards a Direct Democracy. And most importantly, take care of our environments and stop the destruction caused from this fossil fuel consuming economic system. Again we do now have the science, technology and human ingenuity, management skills, to feed, house and educate every human on this planet, not for self interest and economic gain, But because we have transformed the natural process of the life cycle on this planet. we have polluted every stream,lake and ocean, we have destroyed 50% of the rain forests in 50 yrs, detonated over 2000 nuclear and atomic bombs, transformed over 70% of the lands surface, have almost made all large game extinct both land and sea.There is nothing natural in our food chains, we are now strip mining on scales never seen before, We are now 7 billion consumers, when India and China become the wasteful capitalistic consumers we are in the west, we are all fuked.. The western world is only 10% of global pop, yet we consume well over 60% of the worlds resources. Whether you accept these realities is of no personal concern,But there is no doubt as a whole, humanity must take responsibility for our actions, other wise there will be no future for anyone.

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#112
Feb 2, 2014
 
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http://www.mysanantonio.com/bu siness/article/Refineries-expa nded-but-not-constructed-44133 67.php
woof
From your link......

Refineries expanded, but not constructed

Pleeeaaase doggie boy........

What the heck is your point???????

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Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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Again one ear......I'm not sure we disagree yet........but you are interesting
Regarding the federal reserve and the ongoing printing of kited money..we might agree.....
Still what is your better idea? Are you a socialist?
Yes, in today's terms, I suppose I would be a democratic socialist..I believe in equal pay for equal work, a good relevant public education and health care system. I do believe we need inspectors for our food, water and agriculture infrastructures, I believe in public utility. And I believe, in the freedom of choice and equal opportunity. And I also realize that some do work harder and deserve a bit more of the pie..But if we look at the equality of wealth of the last century, we see it was better for everyone, including the 1%, between the 1950s and early 70s, Because there was more regulation and a better distribution of wealth.
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Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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From your link......
Refineries expanded, but not constructed
Pleeeaaase doggie boy........
What the heck is your point???????
LOL and WOLF
The point is that refining capacity is being increased, and the oil companies are lobbying to change the law to permit the export of crude oil that will be transported to Port Arthur, to serve the world market, not America.

You keep on believing the claptrap. You aren't going to see the price of gasoline go down as a result of that pipeline.

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oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> It is not a matter of , what is my better ideal. But rather, a general consensus and solution of all of us.For me . I see no reason, for owners or leaders.
I truncated your post because I could not get beyond this statement.....

Really??????

Who do you think works 18 hour days to establish a business as an "OWNER"
I speak from personal experience.......
Why do you think that they put in that effort in order to rise above ?

Last but not least, who do you think is responsible for creating the jobs for the proletariat?

Without the capitalist business owners do you really think the proletariat will continue to exist?

I believe you should just admit you are a socialist........

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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The point is that refining capacity is being increased, and the oil companies are lobbying to change the law to permit the export of crude oil that will be transported to Port Arthur, to serve the world market, not America.
You keep on believing the claptrap. You aren't going to see the price of gasoline go down as a result of that pipeline.
woof
So then, permits for new refineries being denied don't enter into your equation.......
got another huff post link?

But hey dude...keep on drinking that obama kool aid.......

I am guessing that if you have natural gas to heat your residence you may have noticed the lower cost due to ......wait for it......increased supply from North Dakota........

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I truncated your post because I could not get beyond this statement.....
Really??????
Who do you think works 18 hour days to establish a business as an "OWNER"
I speak from personal experience.......
Why do you think that they put in that effort in order to rise above ?
Last but not least, who do you think is responsible for creating the jobs for the proletariat?
Without the capitalist business owners do you really think the proletariat will continue to exist?
I believe you should just admit you are a socialist........
The poor aren't hiring, never have and never will.
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Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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So then, permits for new refineries being denied don't enter into your equation.......
got another huff post link?
But hey dude...keep on drinking that obama kool aid.......
I am guessing that if you have natural gas to heat your residence you may have noticed the lower cost due to ......wait for it......increased supply from North Dakota........
WOLF
You're getting pizza all over your face.

That Canadian oil is not going to the us market.

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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The point is that refining capacity is being increased, and the oil companies are lobbying to change the law to permit the export of crude oil that will be transported to Port Arthur, to serve the world market, not America.
You keep on believing the claptrap. You aren't going to see the price of gasoline go down as a result of that pipeline.
woof
Why do you keep reiterating the same crap?

I have acknowledged over and over ad nauseam that the oil might be sold on the WORLD MARKET........

What part of the overall oil product increase due to more oil from the Keystone pipe line don't you get?

More supply /same demand = lower cost......

You are starting to sound like Che........

WOLF
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Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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So then, permits for new refineries being denied don't enter into your equation.......
got another huff post link?
But hey dude...keep on drinking that obama kool aid.......
I am guessing that if you have natural gas to heat your residence you may have noticed the lower cost due to ......wait for it......increased supply from North Dakota........
WOLF
The gas heating my home is NOT coming from North Dakota.

Pizza all over your face.

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