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#567 Feb 5, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Scientists look at observable data and either predict future outcomes, or hypothesize about causes/relationships within those data sets.
It is the very nature of science to prove or disprove hypotheses.
When you show me empirical evidence that suggests the planet is merely 6000 years old I will start taking your viewpoints seriously.
woof
And evolution, like creation, remains unproven.

Further, I have never declared the Earth to be "merely 6000 years old." In fact, the entire point of this discussion is to recognize that no one has facts proving the origin of this planet and life thereon.

Are you on drugs?
oneear69

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#568 Feb 5, 2014
-tip- wrote:
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Did the baby human mutate into a puppy?
Didn't think so.
No, but the sperm and egg, produce and evolve into human life. Just as a seed panted in the soil ,grows into an oak tree. Which there isn't many old black oaks left in the world, for we consumed them faster than they could grow.

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#569 Feb 5, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> No, but the sperm and egg, produce and evolve into human life. Just as a seed panted in the soil ,grows into an oak tree. Which there isn't many old black oaks left in the world, for we consumed them faster than they could grow.
Correct...human life comes from human life.
And nothing else.
oneear69

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#570 Feb 5, 2014
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Take it from a fellow Canuck:
The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. This is already evident in the reckless statements of Haeckel and in the shifty, devious and histrionic argumentation of T. H. Huxley...To establish the continuity required by the theory, historical arguments are invoked even though historical evidence is lacking. Thus are engendered those fragile towers of hypotheses based on hypotheses, where fact and fiction intermingle in an inextricable confusion.
-- W.R. Thompson, former Director of the Commonwealth Institute of Biological Control, Ottawa, Canada
Yes , we all know, some of Darwin's theory to be wrong, which is why it is still refereed to as his theory. He was of the 19th century, his bases for his theory, was his available information of his day. Clearly even you can see, that mankind as a whole has evolved, scientifically beyond the 19th century. Again science does not give perfect answers.

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#571 Feb 5, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Yes , we all know, some of Darwin's theory to be wrong, which is why it is still refereed to as his theory. He was of the 19th century, his bases for his theory, was his available information of his day. Clearly even you can see, that mankind as a whole has evolved, scientifically beyond the 19th century. Again science does not give perfect answers.
Now, you're beginning to get it: some of Darwin's theory has been proven wrong, and the rest remains unproven.

A thought in that vein:

It is, in fact, a common fantasy, promulgated mostly by the scientific profession itself, that in the search for objective truth, data dictate conclusions. If this were the case, then each scientist faced with the same data would necessarily reach the same conclusion. But as we've seen earlier and will see again and again, frequently this does not happen. Data are just as often molded to fit preferred conclusions.

-- Roger Lewin, Ph.D., News Editor of Science Magazine

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#572 Feb 5, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
The definition
Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life.
The explanation
Biological evolution is not simply a matter of change over time. Lots of things change over time: trees lose their leaves, mountain ranges rise and erode, but they aren't examples of biological evolution because they don't involve descent through genetic inheritance.
The central idea of biological evolution is that all life on Earth shares a common ancestor, just as you and your cousins share a common grandmother.
Through the process of descent with modification, the common ancestor of life on Earth gave rise to the fantastic diversity that we see documented in the fossil record and around us today. Evolution means that we're all distant cousins: humans and oak trees, hummingbirds and whales.
We very much know the process of life on this planet, do we know everything, is even what we know today correct, the truth is we do not..Science is the tool we use to change our modern society, when new theories come about and proven and tested , we change accordingly.If you want perfection, apologies, that is not possible, perhaps with the technology of Artificial Intelligence, it may be achieved. But there is enough that we do know,to understand, that that on a planet of 7 billion people, with finite resources, and no wal-mart in space, we as a human race cannot continue on this self destructive course.
You still talking to yourself?
oneear69

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#573 Feb 5, 2014
-tip- wrote:
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Now, you're beginning to get it: some of Darwin's theory has been proven wrong, and the rest remains unproven.
A thought in that vein:
It is, in fact, a common fantasy, promulgated mostly by the scientific profession itself, that in the search for objective truth, data dictate conclusions. If this were the case, then each scientist faced with the same data would necessarily reach the same conclusion. But as we've seen earlier and will see again and again, frequently this does not happen. Data are just as often molded to fit preferred conclusions.
-- Roger Lewin, Ph.D., News Editor of Science Magazine
But your not understanding the science we have today, to better support some of his theory, while some of his theories have been proven not to be correct. The understanding of the evolution of this planet is that of more than one person.It has and always will be the contribution of the many,of many generations. Even the evolution of your biblical mythology has changed considerably over the last 2000 yrs.
oneear69

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#574 Feb 5, 2014
Zoe Regen wrote:
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You still talking to yourself?
Apparently since you responded to the commented, no I am not.
oneear69

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#575 Feb 5, 2014
-tip- wrote:
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Now, you're beginning to get it: some of Darwin's theory has been proven wrong, and the rest remains unproven.
A thought in that vein:
It is, in fact, a common fantasy, promulgated mostly by the scientific profession itself, that in the search for objective truth, data dictate conclusions. If this were the case, then each scientist faced with the same data would necessarily reach the same conclusion. But as we've seen earlier and will see again and again, frequently this does not happen. Data are just as often molded to fit preferred conclusions.
-- Roger Lewin, Ph.D., News Editor of Science Magazine
Haven't we already covered, the manipulation of science for self interest .The same could be said of our democracies.The corruption and self interest in government is the same corporate self interest that manipulates science .
oneear69

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#576 Feb 5, 2014
-tip- wrote:
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Now, you're beginning to get it: some of Darwin's theory has been proven wrong, and the rest remains unproven.
A thought in that vein:
It is, in fact, a common fantasy, promulgated mostly by the scientific profession itself, that in the search for objective truth, data dictate conclusions. If this were the case, then each scientist faced with the same data would necessarily reach the same conclusion. But as we've seen earlier and will see again and again, frequently this does not happen. Data are just as often molded to fit preferred conclusions.
-- Roger Lewin, Ph.D., News Editor of Science Magazine
Apologies, but i have understood evolution since I was a child.It is you who should try and understand our human reality.
oneear69

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#577 Feb 5, 2014
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Correct...human life comes from human life.
And nothing else.
Ah ,so you do understand , how evolution works.

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#578 Feb 5, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>But your not understanding the science we have today, to better support some of his theory, while some of his theories have been proven not to be correct. The understanding of the evolution of this planet is that of more than one person.It has and always will be the contribution of the many,of many generations. Even the evolution of your biblical mythology has changed considerably over the last 2000 yrs.
Observe how you refer to my faith position as "mythology" but continually assert that your faith position is "fact"....when both remain unproven?

Yep...you're like concrete: All mixed-up and permanently set.

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#579 Feb 5, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>Ah ,so you do understand , how evolution works.
Absolutely.

Human life originates from human life.
And nothing comes from nothing.
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#580 Feb 5, 2014
Bottom line? Nobody really knows. There's a little bit here, a little bit there, and a little bit everywhere, but it's a mystery and always will be. Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe, just maybe, this life IS about learning lessons for yourself and reaching deep within. People stop thinking for themselves and reaching within when they rely on being told how to live (separate and apart from moral values aka 'doing the right thing', which I believe even humanists practice).
Reality Speaks

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#581 Feb 5, 2014
FAITH
wiseAfricanAmeri can

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#582 Feb 5, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
FAITH
Faith is believing in something you cannot explain exist. Faith is the substance of things HOPED FOR, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.

ev·i·dence
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the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
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LAW
information given personally, drawn from a document, or in the form of material objects, tending or used to establish facts in a legal investigation or admissible as testimony in court.
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signs; indications.
plural noun: evidences
"there was no obvious evidence of a break-in"
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verb: evidence; 3rd person present: evidences; past tense: evidenced; past participle: evidenced; gerund or present participle: evidencing
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The Easter Bunny, Peter Pan, and Snow White are real because I have faith that they are.
oneear69

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#583 Feb 5, 2014
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Observe how you refer to my faith position as "mythology" but continually assert that your faith position is "fact"....when both remain unproven?
Yep...you're like concrete: All mixed-up and permanently set.
how so, I have told you ,not I or anyone else knows how the Universe came to be. We as critical thinkers have developed a tool of science, to better understand the evolution of life on this planet, and are learning more every day. but we are not using it to the best of our ability's.That aside. All religion is man made, that is a fact, the common denominator of all mankind's religions, is Astronomy.The means to chart our equinoxes and solstices the moons cycle,our movement around the Sun based off of charted celestial stars. This is apparent in Egyptian, Babylonian, Greek,Mayan,Indian , Asian astrological charts and long calenders. The need to so, was for agricultural means, and charting ones way around land and sea, and marking time. Now I imagine life in ancient times, not every one had good understanding an there was no public education system, as it was mostly the elitists of society that where educated and understood the signs of a changing season. Therefore mythology came about to better explain the changes. That mythology then became a religion of festivals, along come the Romans, who understand the manipulation, and ignorant trust of an uneducated citizenry, and the rest is history.Christianity is derived from Judaism and Pagan religions, both of them are derived from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which there are 12 books. The very holiday most celebrate x-mas, is actually the Pagan celebration of the winter solstice.Jesus, the sign of the fish, is a symbol of Pieces, Moses is Aries who smashed the golden Bull of Taurus with his Rams horn. What some say is the end of days, is just a changing of the ages, Aquarius is next, perhaps already marked by the Mayan calender of 2012, as there is about a 120yr difference between the Mayan long Calender, and the Pagan book of ages. Both represent our solar systems movement in our Galaxy, amongst our mapped celestial stars.
oneear69

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#584 Feb 5, 2014
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...except that geneticists have NEVER observed new genetic material form by mutations.
Stem cell research, combined with nano technology both robotic and biological mixed with a 3d printer, and AI. My friend many countries are already working on replicating human organs , food processing. When we evolve into humans,it requires 2 separate cells, which then through the process of Alchemy, mix and become one cell, which then reproduces, into ourselves. If we can follow that chain of events, and see how and when cells develop into organs, we will have figured out the genetic process of life.And be able to replicate them. This is not just science fiction, but more and more realistic every day.
Duke for Mayor

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#585 Feb 5, 2014
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Correct...human life comes from human life.
And nothing else.
Show your work.

woof
oneear69

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#586 Feb 5, 2014
Imagine if you will, a single blood cell, now imagine that represents our galaxy,and in that galaxy is our solar system and then us. There are some 100,000,000,000 stars in our own galaxy , The Milky Way.The Biggest star known in the Universe is VY Canis Majoris. It is in fact in the Milky Way Galaxy. The Milky Way is about 100,000 light years long and from our position in the Milky Way right now VY Canis Majoris is about 5,000 light years away. The Sun is over 1 solar radius wide which is 432,000 miles (690,000 Kilometers). The Sun is about 870,000 miles (1.4 million KM) across and takes up 99.9% of the solar systems mass which 1,000,000 (1 million) Earths could fit inside the Sun with a surface temperature of about 10,000 degrees. However, the Sun is a pretty average star scientist think and is NO were near the size of VY Canis Majoris. VY Canis Majoris is a red hypergiant star that is an extremely big kind of star. We are the whos of whoville my friends living in a snowflake of life, Take care, So long and thanks for all the fish

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