Since: Jan 12

Toledo, OH

#1530 Sep 24, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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No, you are not "initiated." The term refers to beginning of a journey, to initiate or start a spiritual journey. You cannot as an adult be baptized without the education, or RCIA. Baptism into the faith remains for a lifetime, is the first step toward obtaining the rest of the sacraments, within the support of the Catholic community. We don't just gather 'em down by the river and dunk 'em.
John the baptist did just that...dunk 'em, the Holy Spirit does the rest. It is organized religious dogmas, that caused so many schisms. It's crazy because hardy no religious system follows what Jesus actually taught. The Pope, and Protestant Bishops are making up dogmatic rituals to keep followers focused on everything but what Jesus taught.

Even Mooslims have this issue with schisms. Stupid shit like what foot do you wash first, right or left? Or how do you fold your arms across the chest in prayer? Don't eat with your right hand because you use that one to wipe your ass. WTH? If you wash BOTH of your hands and eat with a utensil, what's the f' king difference! Stupid shit, that steer man away from spiritual development.

Since: Jan 12

Toledo, OH

#1531 Sep 24, 2013
I meant, wipe ass with left hand.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#1532 Sep 24, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> John the baptist did just that...dunk 'em, the Holy Spirit does the rest. It is organized religious dogmas, that caused so many schisms. It's crazy because hardy no religious system follows what Jesus actually taught. The Pope, and Protestant Bishops are making up dogmatic rituals to keep followers focused on everything but what Jesus taught.
Even Mooslims have this issue with schisms. Stupid shit like what foot do you wash first, right or left? Or how do you fold your arms across the chest in prayer? Don't eat with your right hand because you use that one to wipe your ass. WTH? If you wash BOTH of your hands and eat with a utensil, what's the f' king difference! Stupid shit, that steer man away from spiritual development.
It is ritual that focuses the mind on intentional worship of God. Further, the liturgical tradition is communal in nature, with the congregation publicly affirming Scriptural truths, creeds and confessions. Such corporate worship reinforces knowledge and unity among believers.

For those who deride these rituals, I will remind you that your daily life is nothing, if not a series of rituals -- rituals upon which your success is dependent.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#1533 Sep 24, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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It is ritual that focuses the mind on intentional worship of God. Further, the liturgical tradition is communal in nature, with the congregation publicly affirming Scriptural truths, creeds and confessions. Such corporate worship reinforces knowledge and unity among believers.
For those who deride these rituals, I will remind you that your daily life is nothing, if not a series of rituals -- rituals upon which your success is dependent.
BRAVO

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1534 Sep 24, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> John the baptist did just that...dunk 'em, the Holy Spirit does the rest. It is organized religious dogmas, that caused so many schisms. It's crazy because hardy no religious system follows what Jesus actually taught. The Pope, and Protestant Bishops are making up dogmatic rituals to keep followers focused on everything but what Jesus taught.
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Does metaphor elude you? We don't baptize en masse. The baptism, even for an infant, requires preparation. The difference between Catholics and a number of Protestant (mainly Baptists and evangelicals) is that preparation. John the Baptist didn't merely baptize. He prepared people for the coming of Jesus by baptism as a sign of repentance. It is that preparation that we are referring to. Not dogmatic ritual. In fact, it literally is a sacrament that does not need to be performed by a priest. Any baptized Catholic may baptize another, but this is not typically done unless under an extreme situation, ie, an infant in danger of death.

[QUOTE who="WISE AMERICAN"]<quoted text>
Even Mooslims have this issue with schisms. Stupid shit like what foot do you wash first, right or left? Or how do you fold your arms across the chest in prayer? Don't eat with your right hand because you use that one to wipe your ass. WTH? If you wash BOTH of your hands and eat with a utensil, what's the f' king difference! Stupid shit, that steer man away from spiritual development.
Where did we bring up Islam into this? Yes, even Muslims have their schisms and differences. Bone up on the differences between Shi'a and Sunni. Might explain some of the civil war issues in Syria. This schism dates to the dawn of Islam. Sunnis are the majority in the Arab world in general, Shi'a the majority in Iran, Iraq and a few other places. Just this schism alone is why you see sectarian problems and violence in the Muslim world... and it goes back to the death of Mohammed in 632 as a huge question of his succession...

Next?
Enzyte Bob

Reynoldsburg, OH

#1535 Sep 24, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>

For those who deride these rituals, I will remind you that your daily life is nothing, if not a series of rituals -- rituals upon which your success is dependent.
That's actually a great point. Daily habits and rituals help streamline your life and have career success. Religious rituals help keep you centered and provide a foundation to give you career success.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#1536 Sep 25, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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It is ritual that focuses the mind on intentional worship of God. Further, the liturgical tradition is communal in nature, with the congregation publicly affirming Scriptural truths, creeds and confessions. Such corporate worship reinforces knowledge and unity among believers.
For those who deride these rituals, I will remind you that your daily life is nothing, if not a series of rituals -- rituals upon which your success is dependent.
But my salvation is not! There's only ONE confession a Christian needs, Deacon. And that is the confession that Jesus died and rose again and to accept him as Lord and Savior. Babbling off some Latin phrases and counting a circle of beads, won't cut it, preacher. Man has invented dogmas for his own purposes that has little or nothing to do will the "Will" of God.
By the way, Mooslims count a circle of beads also while babbling.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#1537 Sep 25, 2013
Here's what it says about your "Rituals"

https://www.google.com/url...

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#1539 Sep 25, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> But my salvation is not! There's only ONE confession a Christian needs, Deacon. And that is the confession that Jesus died and rose again and to accept him as Lord and Savior. Babbling off some Latin phrases and counting a circle of beads, won't cut it, preacher. Man has invented dogmas for his own purposes that has little or nothing to do will the "Will" of God.
By the way, Mooslims count a circle of beads also while babbling.
So...you do not engage in daily confession of sins?
Interesting.

While I am not a Catholic, I can understand the use of a rosary as a prayer aid -- again, it directs the mind to the matter at hand. You may recall that Jesus' own disciples were unable to fix their minds to pray with Him in his agony at the Garden of Gethsemane -- instead, repeatedly giving in to sleep.

And, by the way, Latin is the root of nearly all Western languages.
If you had studied it in school, you wouldn't have some of the grammar and vocabulary issues you have previously displayed.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#1540 Sep 25, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
Here's what it says about your "Rituals"
https://www.google.com/url...
God is not a God of chaos, but a God of order and ritual.
No one could read from Genesis through Revelation and miss that theme.

“Paper Or Plastic?”

Since: Nov 11

Albakoikee

#1541 Sep 25, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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I know someone that spent a couple days in the hospital pn iv antibiotics from a cat bite. I ended up with the cat and she has been a great guard kitty for the garden
Mrs. rowdy had a similar incident. Our old siamese male got out a few years and she went to find him. As she was carrying him back home, a neighbor kid tried to pet him. The cat sank his teeth into her elbow, of course it hurt but she put alcohol on it and thought nothing more of it. That night when I got home, green crap was oozing out of the bite area. I took her to the hospital and she spent three days there, with 3 weeks of occupational therapy to follow.

“Bee Hive Jive”

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#1542 Sep 25, 2013
rowdy01 wrote:
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Mrs. rowdy had a similar incident. Our old siamese male got out a few years and she went to find him. As she was carrying him back home, a neighbor kid tried to pet him. The cat sank his teeth into her elbow, of course it hurt but she put alcohol on it and thought nothing more of it. That night when I got home, green crap was oozing out of the bite area. I took her to the hospital and she spent three days there, with 3 weeks of occupational therapy to follow.
Oy! You never know what a cat or dog will do...if they are in a frenzi, that's when it happens.
Not your fault!
At a family gathering, one of my daughter's the inlaws brought their annoying and biting dog. It proceeded to chase CASCIOUS, the kitty. My daughter picked him up and the dog kept bothering the cat while my daughter was holding. The damned dog jumped up and bit the cats tail, and reacting, the cat bit my daughter in the arm. Called doc and got meds.
This same dog nipped a little girl who wanted to pet it, at a little League game, and the inlaws did NOTHING...until I got up and said you better see if that little girl is ok...you can get sued.....very reluctantly he went over to check on her. I was furious, by the lack of compassion and concern.
Til this day they bring this biting dog everywhere they go.....after being told to leave it at home.

“Paper Or Plastic?”

Since: Nov 11

Albakoikee

#1543 Sep 25, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
<quoted text>
Oy! You never know what a cat or dog will do...if they are in a frenzi, that's when it happens.
Not your fault!
At a family gathering, one of my daughter's the inlaws brought their annoying and biting dog. It proceeded to chase CASCIOUS, the kitty. My daughter picked him up and the dog kept bothering the cat while my daughter was holding. The damned dog jumped up and bit the cats tail, and reacting, the cat bit my daughter in the arm. Called doc and got meds.
This same dog nipped a little girl who wanted to pet it, at a little League game, and the inlaws did NOTHING...until I got up and said you better see if that little girl is ok...you can get sued.....very reluctantly he went over to check on her. I was furious, by the lack of compassion and concern.
Til this day they bring this biting dog everywhere they go.....after being told to leave it at home.
You never know what an animal will do when faced with someone it doesn't know. You are right, they should leave this unpredictable mutt home.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#1544 Sep 25, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
So...you do not engage in daily confession of sins?
Interesting.
While I am not a Catholic, I can understand the use of a rosary as a prayer aid -- again, it directs the mind to the matter at hand. You may recall that Jesus' own disciples were unable to fix their minds to pray with Him in his agony at the Garden of Gethsemane -- instead, repeatedly giving in to sleep.
And, by the way, Latin is the root of nearly all Western languages.
If you had studied it in school, you wouldn't have some of the grammar and vocabulary issues you have previously displayed.
The disciples fell asleep maybe because they were TIRED from walking for miles every day, ya think! Jesus was about to DIE in a few hours and he knew it. I'll bet you'd stay awake all night too if your execution was in a few hours! Grammar and vocab issues? Ha! Speaking or writing in the ebonic style is something most black Americans do often, it is what it is. By the way, American "English" is not proper English...it's just American.
So, do you roll a set of beads between your fingers while you pray in the morning? Jesus said don't use vain repetition when praying like the heathens do, thinking their many words will get God's attention better (paraphrase).
Carry on, deacon tipper.

Since: Jun 13

Hilliard, OH

#1545 Sep 25, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> The disciples fell asleep maybe because they were TIRED from walking for miles every day, ya think! Jesus was about to DIE in a few hours and he knew it. I'll bet you'd stay awake all night too if your execution was in a few hours! Grammar and vocab issues? Ha! Speaking or writing in the ebonic style is something most black Americans do often, it is what it is. By the way, American "English" is not proper English...it's just American.
So, do you roll a set of beads between your fingers while you pray in the morning? Jesus said don't use vain repetition when praying like the heathens do, thinking their many words will get God's attention better (paraphrase).
Carry on, deacon tipper.
Your grasp of "English" and your knowledge of Catholicism could both fit comfortably in a shared thimble, Stymie.

Since: Jan 12

Toledo, OH

#1546 Sep 25, 2013
Diamond Eugene wrote:
<quoted text>Your grasp of "English" and your knowledge of Catholicism could both fit comfortably in a shared thimble, Stymie.
Hahaha! You're stupid. My English is well enough and functional for you to read it and respond, Todd. And knowing that your church teaches that the man in the white robe is the "Holy Father" is all I need to understand about your cult.

Since: Jun 13

Hilliard, OH

#1547 Sep 25, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Hahaha! You're stupid. My English is well enough and functional for you to read it and respond, Todd. And knowing that your church teaches that the man in the white robe is the "Holy Father" is all I need to understand about your cult.
Your English is "well enough," huh?
I rest my case, bigot.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#1548 Sep 25, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> The disciples fell asleep maybe because they were TIRED from walking for miles every day, ya think! Jesus was about to DIE in a few hours and he knew it. I'll bet you'd stay awake all night too if your execution was in a few hours! Grammar and vocab issues? Ha! Speaking or writing in the ebonic style is something most black Americans do often, it is what it is. By the way, American "English" is not proper English...it's just American.
So, do you roll a set of beads between your fingers while you pray in the morning? Jesus said don't use vain repetition when praying like the heathens do, thinking their many words will get God's attention better (paraphrase).
Carry on, deacon tipper.
Matthew 26:36-46

Then Jesus went with them to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples,“Sit here, while I go over there and pray.” And taking with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, he began to be sorrowful and troubled. Then he said to them,“My soul is very sorrowful, even to death; remain here, and watch with me.” And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying,“My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” And he came to the disciples and found them sleeping. And he said to Peter,“So, could you not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” Again, for the second time, he went away and prayed,“My Father, if this cannot pass unless I drink it, your will be done.” And again he came and found them sleeping, for their eyes were heavy. So, leaving them again, he went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same words again. Then he came to the disciples and said to them,“Sleep and take your rest later on. See, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going; see, my betrayer is at hand.”

Jesus is clearly disappointed that the disciples did not "watch and "pray" with him, and repeatedly slept, though He admonished them to pray so as to avoid temptation. Note also that Jesus prayed three times "saying the same words again."

Vain repetition? I don't think so.

Since: Jan 12

Detroit, MI

#1549 Sep 25, 2013
Diamond Eugene wrote:
<quoted text>Your English is "well enough," huh?
I rest my case, bigot.
"Well enough" "Good Enough" either one works, Todd. Take the burr outta ya ass. Is that good enough east coast English for you, Nate?

Since: Jan 12

Detroit, MI

#1550 Sep 25, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 26:36-46
Then Jesus went with them to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples,“Sit here, while I go over there and pray.” And taking with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, he began to be sorrowful and troubled. Then he said to them,“My soul is very sorrowful, even to death; remain here, and watch with me.” And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying,“My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” And he came to the disciples and found them sleeping. And he said to Peter,“So, could you not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” Again, for the second time, he went away and prayed,“My Father, if this cannot pass unless I drink it, your will be done.” And again he came and found them sleeping, for their eyes were heavy. So, leaving them again, he went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same words again. Then he came to the disciples and said to them,“Sleep and take your rest later on. See, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going; see, my betrayer is at hand.”
Jesus is clearly disappointed that the disciples did not "watch and "pray" with him, and repeatedly slept, though He admonished them to pray so as to avoid temptation. Note also that Jesus prayed three times "saying the same words again."
Vain repetition? I don't think so.
Listen, deacon. The entire group fell asleep...they were TIRED. End of story. How do we know that they didn't fall asleep while praying? I'm sure everyone who has prayed before going to bed tired has done that.
Also, deacon Tip, who wrote down what Jesus said and the amount of times he said it...if they were fast asleep? He only took three people to witness him praying and they ALL fell fast asleep! Ponder that one, deacon.

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