Labor group asks bishop to talk gay r...

Labor group asks bishop to talk gay rights in the wake of teacher's firing

There are 214 comments on the Daily Kos story from Jun 13, 2013, titled Labor group asks bishop to talk gay rights in the wake of teacher's firing. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

[email protected], a group tied to the AFL-CIO, has joined the effort to get Carla Hale rehired by Ohio's Bishop Watterson High School, which fired her after her mother's obituary named her female partner .

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“Equality First”

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#163 Jun 19, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Same-sex practitioners enjoy each and every constitutional right enjoyed by every other U.S. citizen.
Do they? Here are the rights and responsibilities of marriage as per DOMA, and they are denied to same-sex married people in the states that allow it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_respo...

“animis opibusque parati”

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#164 Jun 19, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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Do they? Here are the rights and responsibilities of marriage as per DOMA, and they are denied to same-sex married people in the states that allow it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_respo...
DOMA will be found unconstitutional.
Marriage is a matter left to the states by the U.S. Constitution.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#167 Jun 19, 2013
Lilith_Sparkles wrote:
<quoted text>I know you are but what am I... is that all you got... you overlook your murderous rapist god by telling others that theres is bad to..
by the way fucktard i'm an athiest
No?!

“STOP THE SPREAD OF LIES”

Since: Jun 13

JEWS ARE GOD'S CHOSEN ONES

#169 Jun 19, 2013
Zoe Regen wrote:
Why don't they hire her?
Why should they? She has not right to pervert the minds of children and peddle her gay religion. Separation of church and state.

“MAGA”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#170 Jun 19, 2013
Lilith_Sparkles wrote:
<quoted text>I know you are but what am I... is that all you got... you overlook your murderous rapist god by telling others that theres is bad to..
by the way fucktard i'm an athiest
Oh look you are responding to me. hahahahahahaha

And you are really mad huh?

As an atheist it seems odd that you would make a statement insisting that an imaginary figure is a murderous rapist.

Surely even you see the lack of logic.

Frankly though, you are obviously mad at Christians whom you believe are responsible for your lack of ability to redefine the WORD marriage.

I doubt a conservative on this forum would be against a civil union with all of the legal benefits of the marriage contract.
I certainly would not.

What you have not addressed is my original point.
While you have no problem condemning Christians for actions that occurred thousands of years ago, not a word from you about the followers of Allah who are hanging folks for being gay in 2013.

What's the problem there? Not politically correct for ya?





“STOP THE SPREAD OF LIES”

Since: Jun 13

JEWS ARE GOD'S CHOSEN ONES

#171 Jun 19, 2013
Lilith_Sparkles wrote:
<quoted text>sorry you worship a serial killing rapist god.... sounds like a personal problem
oh and if you don't want a gay marriage... ummm... errr.. don't get one dumbazz
You just described your own child...... ummmmmm......errr.....if you can't raise your own child........ errr.......don't have one.

“STOP THE SPREAD OF LIES”

Since: Jun 13

JEWS ARE GOD'S CHOSEN ONES

#172 Jun 19, 2013
Zipporah wrote:
Beside nationally legalized porn, elective abortion, hate speech prosecution, and sodomy, here's yet another nasty problem that freedom-loving gay diversity brings to America...
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/atag...
Estimated New HIV Infections in the United States, 2010, for the Most Affected Subpopulations:
White MSM (MSM = male homosexual)
Black MSM
Hispanic MSM
Black Hetero Women
Black Hetero Men
White Hetero women
Hispanic Hetero Women
Black Male IDU (IDU = intravenous recreational drug user)
Black Female IDU
The chart indicates the number of new HIV infections per year in the US.
The highest incidence rate of new HIV infections is white male homosexual. A close second is black male homosexual. There is no category for white straight male HIV infection rate because the number is statistically insignificant.
All of the groups of people listed on the x-axis of the CDC chart are American victim cult people. The chart establishes a little known fact: victim cult people are solely responsible for virtually all of the new HIV infections in the US.
Not surprising, since gays account for 85% of all AIDS cases and that number has risen, not declined.

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#173 Jun 19, 2013
Stop-It-Now- wrote:
<quoted text>Why should they? She has not right to pervert the minds of children and peddle her gay religion. Separation of church and state.
Of course, there isn't the slightest indication that she did so. That she was gay came to light in her mother's obituary, not from anything at school.
Stop-It-Now- wrote:
<quoted text>Not surprising, since gays account for 85% of all AIDS cases and that number has risen, not declined.
Your numbers are off. Of course, that will tend to happen when one is just making crap up.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#174 Jun 19, 2013
Lilith_Sparkles wrote:
<quoted text>I know you are but what am I... is that all you got... you overlook your murderous rapist god by telling others that theres is bad to..
by the way fucktard i'm an athiest
Bet your family is proud of you!
Larry Kramer

Mason, OH

#175 Jun 19, 2013
lides wrote:
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Equal protection of the law is.
Legal marriage is a set of legal rights and protections of the law. Only a fool would claim otherwise. So once again, your claim that "Same-sex practitioners enjoy each and every constitutional right enjoyed by every other U.S. citizen" is a false one.
The equal protection clause referenced in the 14th amendment refers to US federal law, laws which must first be authorized by the constitution.

The BoR is the constitution. BoR is restrictions on the fedgov regarding a short list of peoples rights. The 14th merely extends the BoR restrictions to state government. This fact is a well established logical and historical interpretation of the 14th. The 9th and tenth amendments explicity recognize the people (local governments) retain and decide what are civil rights, not the fedgov or state govs.

Power hungry queers like you are playing typical queer word games here, with the goal to maintain a national totalitarian state based on a victim cult mental disorder you've cultivated.

Your illogic in this matter is laughable and contemptable.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#176 Jun 19, 2013
Larry Kramer wrote:
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The equal protection clause referenced in the 14th amendment refers to US federal law, laws which must first be authorized by the constitution.
The BoR is the constitution. BoR is restrictions on the fedgov regarding a short list of peoples rights. The 14th merely extends the BoR restrictions to state government. This fact is a well established logical and historical interpretation of the 14th. The 9th and tenth amendments explicity recognize the people (local governments) retain and decide what are civil rights, not the fedgov or state govs.
Uhhh... The LOCAL laws, in this case, prohibit personnel actions based on sexual preference.
Larry Kramer

Mason, OH

#177 Jun 20, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Uhhh... The LOCAL laws, in this case, prohibit personnel actions based on sexual preference.
Columbus Ohio does indeed have a ridiculous law that prohibits employment discimination based on sexual orientation, but that isn't what my gay buddy is arguing here. My gay buddy is arguing US constitutional law, which he most certainly doesn't comprehend.

The RCC high school should consider relocating itself outside the Columbus city limits to avoid persecution from the PC victim cult socioopaths that dominate urban politics. Alternatively, the RCC high school could secede from the city, and have itself recognized by the state of Ohio as an independent incorporated municipality.

“Equality First”

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#178 Jun 20, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
DOMA will be found unconstitutional.
Marriage is a matter left to the states by the U.S. Constitution.
That was not the point of my post. You stated everyone enjoys the same rights of marriage. I was just pointing out that is not true.
Schereazade

Columbus, OH

#179 Jun 20, 2013
You people are so blatant in your hatred and homophobia. First of all, pedophilia is primarily an act of heterosexuality, particularly of men who are not able to express their sexuality openly. That status is not the same of "gay" men, who are out and proud. Please stop comparing the Catholic pedophilia institution to being "gay". They're not equalivalent!

Secondly, this teacher was an honored teacher for 19 years. the only reason this situation came into being was the "snooper" reporting of one parent to the school leadership. It was wrong of the school to make a decision based on one parents' objection. She has a right to fight for her job, and she should, and the diocese has to answer for its action. Lastly, as this diocese receives tax exemptions and other benefits from government, it has to adhere to a set of rules beyond its own charter. That's just the way it is. Otherwise, they can start paying taxes like regular citizens. Ultimately, this case is going to cost the school both financially and emotionally for its students. They made a really BAD and irresponsible move!

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#180 Jun 20, 2013
Larry Kramer wrote:
The equal protection clause referenced in the 14th amendment refers to US federal law, laws which must first be authorized by the constitution.
"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
What part of this are you having difficulty with? The 14th Amendment specifically addresses the states.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amend...
Larry Kramer wrote:
The BoR is the constitution. BoR is restrictions on the fedgov regarding a short list of peoples rights. The 14th merely extends the BoR restrictions to state government. This fact is a well established logical and historical interpretation of the 14th. The 9th and tenth amendments explicity recognize the people (local governments) retain and decide what are civil rights, not the fedgov or state govs.
The bill of rights is regularly applied to State and Municiple governments as well. It has also applied to individuals, employers, and corporations. Your understanding of the constitution is somewhat comical.
Larry Kramer wrote:
Power hungry queers like you are playing typical queer word games here, with the goal to maintain a national totalitarian state based on a victim cult mental disorder you've cultivated.
Your illogic in this matter is laughable and contemptable.
No, we are just seeking equal protection of the law, which is constitutionally guaranteed, and which you seem to lack a valid argument against.

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#181 Jun 20, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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That was not the point of my post. You stated everyone enjoys the same rights of marriage. I was just pointing out that is not true.
Wrong.

I stated that same-sex individuals enjoy each and every constitutional right guaranteed to every other citizen.

And they do.

“Meh.”

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#182 Jun 20, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
I stated that same-sex individuals enjoy each and every constitutional right guaranteed to every other citizen.
And they do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_...

I highly recommend doing some reading about the cases. Most people know Loving v Virgina but a lot of the others are really great reads and available in easily accessible summaries.

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#183 Jun 20, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Repeat: Marriage is not referenced in the U.S. Constitution.
Here's a clue, it doesn't need to be. Do you know why? Because the 14th Amendment mandates states to provide all persons within their jurisdiction equal protection of the laws.
-tip- wrote:
Black's Law Dictionary:
Marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married, Is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for life, for the discharge to each other and the community of the duties legally incum bent on those whose association is founded on the distinction of sex. 1 Bish. Mar. & Div.
Can you indicate a compelling state interest served by limiting the legal protections of man to being between a man and a woman?

If you can't, then such a restriction cannot pass the judicial level of review of strict scrutiny, and the restriction is unconstitutional.

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#184 Jun 20, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_...
I highly recommend doing some reading about the cases. Most people know Loving v Virgina but a lot of the others are really great reads and available in easily accessible summaries.
Interracial, heterosexual marriage falls within the legal definition of marriage [see above].
A same-sex partnership does not.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#185 Jun 20, 2013
lides wrote:
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Here's a clue, it doesn't need to be. Do you know why? Because the 14th Amendment mandates states to provide all persons within their jurisdiction equal protection of the laws.
<quoted text>
Can you indicate a compelling state interest served by limiting the legal protections of man to being between a man and a woman?
If you can't, then such a restriction cannot pass the judicial level of review of strict scrutiny, and the restriction is unconstitutional.
You can in case of marriage.

Marriage exists, and the state takes an interest in it, because the sexual union of a man and woman produces children. Children have and need both a mom and a dad. The state incents marriage as to attempt to maintain this basic societal unit (so they don't have to care for the child).

SSM doesn't meet the test of this state interest as it cannot, by definition, conjoin both the mother and father to any child from an SSM union.

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