Labor group asks bishop to talk gay r...

Labor group asks bishop to talk gay rights in the wake of teacher's firing

There are 214 comments on the Daily Kos story from Jun 13, 2013, titled Labor group asks bishop to talk gay rights in the wake of teacher's firing. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

[email protected], a group tied to the AFL-CIO, has joined the effort to get Carla Hale rehired by Ohio's Bishop Watterson High School, which fired her after her mother's obituary named her female partner .

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“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#42 Jun 17, 2013
I still think the Bishop should get together with the group and perform an exorcism!

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#43 Jun 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
Each instance I cited, actually, are lesbians who broke their contractual agreements with a religious school.
You seem not to be aware that contracts are not unilaterally imposed upon people. All three women were willing party to the agreements.
When the teachers were getting paid and the student getting her free tuition, not a peep from them about any "unwarranted intrusion" being visited upon them; only AFTER they broke their agreements do we now hear that.
Once again, I started this interchange by asking if the contracts were constitutional. You remember, back when you were accusing me of being ignorant, when in reality you hadn't read the topic of the thread.

My core stance had not changed. The contract is not constitutional.
-tip- wrote:
Note the final three words of Jesus to the woman caught in adultery.
Neither Jesus nor His Church condones unrepentant sin.
John 8:10-11
Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."
Does he follow her? Does he know that she will sin no more?

The reality remains that casting judgment is not Christian.

These aren't my standards, they are yours.
Dan wrote:
Lides-
Again, you parrot the buzzword talking points "judgmental bigots" so easily here.
all three of these women took actions, on their own, to sever the agreements they made with their employer.
You'd give them a pass since they're lesbians and you don't like that some churches don't affirm same sex relationships.
Only the people who honored their agreements here - the schools- suffer your derision.
Nice.
No, I would give them a pass because I am American, and believe in freedom. You would condemn them under an ancient faith system that seeks to "contractually" remove free expression, free speech, and free exercise. The schools lack the constitutional ability to enforce these moral clauses that they have in place, and the courts will bear that out.

You have advanced no argument that would negate free speech, or free expression, which are individual, not institutional rights. Contrary to what citizens united would have you believe, corporations (the church included) are NOT people.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#44 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, I started this interchange by asking if the contracts were constitutional. You remember, back when you were accusing me of being ignorant, when in reality you hadn't read the topic of the thread.
My core stance had not changed. The contract is not constitutional.
<quoted text>
Does he follow her? Does he know that she will sin no more?
The reality remains that casting judgment is not Christian.
These aren't my standards, they are yours.
<quoted text>
No, I would give them a pass because I am American, and believe in freedom. You would condemn them under an ancient faith system that seeks to "contractually" remove free expression, free speech, and free exercise. The schools lack the constitutional ability to enforce these moral clauses that they have in place, and the courts will bear that out.
You have advanced no argument that would negate free speech, or free expression, which are individual, not institutional rights. Contrary to what citizens united would have you believe, corporations (the church included) are NOT people.
Two points:

1) You are obviously no constitutional scholar.
2) You are obviously no theologian.

You remain wrong on both counts.

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#45 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, I started this interchange by asking if the contracts were constitutional. You remember, back when you were accusing me of being ignorant, when in reality you hadn't read the topic of the thread.
My core stance had not changed. The contract is not constitutional.
<quoted text>
Does he follow her? Does he know that she will sin no more?
The reality remains that casting judgment is not Christian.
These aren't my standards, they are yours.
<quoted text>
No, I would give them a pass because I am American, and believe in freedom. You would condemn them under an ancient faith system that seeks to "contractually" remove free expression, free speech, and free exercise. The schools lack the constitutional ability to enforce these moral clauses that they have in place, and the courts will bear that out.
You have advanced no argument that would negate free speech, or free expression, which are individual, not institutional rights. Contrary to what citizens united would have you believe, corporations (the church included) are NOT people.
What about OUR free exercise as Catholics and OUR rules in CATHOLIC schools? What part of "private school" do you not understand?
Hale is already out of the news. Even her own union threw her under the bus. Good riddance.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#46 Jun 17, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Two points:
1) You are obviously no constitutional scholar.
Feel free to support that point with reality.
-tip- wrote:
2) You are obviously no theologian.
You remain wrong on both counts.
Similarly, feel free to support that point with reality.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#47 Jun 17, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
What about OUR free exercise as Catholics and OUR rules in CATHOLIC schools? What part of "private school" do you not understand?
Hale is already out of the news. Even her own union threw her under the bus. Good riddance.
The right to religious freedom is individual, not institutional.

Hale will be vindicated, because the diocese has no rational defense. In fact, they have no defense within the faith for judging, and exclusion.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#48 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Feel free to support that point with reality.
<quoted text>
Similarly, feel free to support that point with reality.
Let's be honest here: there's no point attempting to explain well-known facts to someone who misunderstands the natural function of their own standard equipment.
They cannot kill a Spook

Orange, NJ

#49 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
The right to religious freedom is individual, not institutional.
Hale will be vindicated, because the diocese has no rational defense. In fact, they have no defense within the faith for judging, and exclusion.
The Lord will be the ultimate judge of her, I suspect.he will say henknows her not and she will be.cast.down into the lake.of fire. That is justice not vindication

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#50 Jun 17, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Let's be honest here: there's no point attempting to explain well-known facts to someone who misunderstands the natural function of their own standard equipment.
Which is to say you have no valid legal argument. How good of you to admit that!

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#51 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Which is to say you have no valid legal argument. How good of you to admit that!
Ignorance becomes you.
Carry on.

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#52 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
The right to religious freedom is individual, not institutional.
Hale will be vindicated, because the diocese has no rational defense. In fact, they have no defense within the faith for judging, and exclusion.
Bullsh!t. Tax exemptions prove your first statement wrong.
Your second statement shows your ignorance of the Constitution and Catholicism.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#53 Jun 17, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Ignorance becomes you.
Carry on.
Which is to say you have no valid legal argument. How good of you to admit that!
Prove me wrong.

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#54 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Feel free to support that point with reality.
<quoted text>
Similarly, feel free to support that point with reality.
All you have to do is read one of your postings and it is fairly obvious!

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#55 Jun 17, 2013
Zoe Regen wrote:
<quoted text>
All you have to do is read one of your postings and it is fairly obvious!
So, you can't support your view. Well, that's instructive.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#56 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you can't support your view. Well, that's instructive.
So, you're ignorant of the fact that there is neither Ohio law nor federal law that prohibits discrimination in private sector employment, based on sexual orientation?

No surprise.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#57 Jun 18, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you're ignorant of the fact that there is neither Ohio law nor federal law that prohibits discrimination in private sector employment, based on sexual orientation?
No surprise.
We'll se how this goes. Personally, I think the diocese is well outside of their jurisdiction, and the contract is inept.
Lamar

Cincinnati, OH

#61 Jun 18, 2013
Beside porn, elective abortion, and sodomy, here's another nasty problem that freedom-loving gay diversity brings to America...

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/atag...

Estimated New HIV Infections in the United States, 2010, for the Most Affected Subpopulations:

White MSM (MSM = male homosexual)
Black MSM
Hispanic MSM
Black Hetero Women
Black Hetero Men
White Hetero women
Hispanic Hetero Women
Black Male IDU (IDU = intravenous drug user)
Black Female IDU

The chart indicates the number of new HIV infections per year in the US.

The highest incidence rate of new HIV infections is white male homosexual. A close second is black male homosexual. There is no category for white straight male HIV infection rate because the number is statistically insignificant.

All of the groups of people listed on the x-axis of the CDC chart are american victim cult class people. The chart establishes a little known fact: victim cult people are responsible for virtually all of the new HIV infections in the US.
dan

Omaha, NE

#62 Jun 18, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, I started this interchange by asking if the contracts were constitutional. You remember, back when you were accusing me of being ignorant, when in reality you hadn't read the topic of the thread.
My core stance had not changed. The contract is not constitutional.
<quoted text>
Does he follow her? Does he know that she will sin no more?
The reality remains that casting judgment is not Christian.
These aren't my standards, they are yours.
<quoted text>
No, I would give them a pass because I am American, and believe in freedom. You would condemn them under an ancient faith system that seeks to "contractually" remove free expression, free speech, and free exercise. The schools lack the constitutional ability to enforce these moral clauses that they have in place, and the courts will bear that out.
You have advanced no argument that would negate free speech, or free expression, which are individual, not institutional rights. Contrary to what citizens united would have you believe, corporations (the church included) are NOT people.
Hale hasn't contended (nor have her attorneys forwarded any claims to date) that her contract was "unconstitutional". Were this the case, I'd assume she'd have a judicial forum at this point to hear her case. I don't believe she's even filed suit anywhere.

Only people (like you) who dislike the Catholic view of SSM are braying anything of the sort.

So, while you think you're declaring it "unconstitutional" makes it so, Hale and her advisers have to resort to some labor group to act on her behalf as they know they don't have a court case.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#63 Jun 18, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
if I do not like the deodorant you wore to work, I could fire you.
You could. I could sue you. I would win.
Reality Speaks wrote:
no legal anything will tell me how to spend my money in my business.
Of course not. You have the right to be an imbecile, no one can take that from you.
Reality Speaks wrote:
you are drunk on koolaide if you think differently.
I don't think differently, I just think you are ignorant of the law.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#64 Jun 18, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
name 1 single right a gay person does not have, that a straight person does.
just 1.
crickets chirping..........
Marriage equality...

Whoops, guess it's not crickets, but rather idiots that are chirping.

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