Is It Over and We Just Don't Know It?

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“animis opibusque parati”

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#1 Feb 11, 2014
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Historians have a tough time agreeing on many of the turning points in ancient history.

One of them, in light of events during the past several years and the tone of President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address on January 28, seems particularly relevant. That’s the question [1] of when the Roman Republic ended:

(The republic) began with the overthrow of the Roman monarchy, c. 509 BC, and lasted over 450 years.

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Towards the end of the period a selection of Roman leaders came to so dominate the political arena that they exceeded the limitations of the Republic as a matter of course. Historians have variously proposed the appointment of Julius Caesar as perpetual dictator in 44 BC, the defeat of Mark Antony at the Battle of Actium in 31 BC, and the Roman Senate’s grant of extraordinary powers to Octavian (Augustus) under the first settlement in 27 BC, as candidates for the defining pivotal event ending the Republic.

There’s little doubt that the United States of America has reached a point where, relatively unhampered by legislative or judicial barriers, its president and his bureaucracy exceed the limits of the nation’s Constitution “as a matter of course.” They in turn are quietly but effectively under the control of our “independent” central bank.

Decades from now, it’s possible that historians will look back and conclude that the American experiment, which began with its declaration of independence from and defeat of Great Britain, ended sometime between 1999 and 2014. As with Rome, the pivotal event isn’t obvious, and the list which follows isn’t all-inclusive.

The failure by the U.S. Senate to convict Bill Clinton after his impeachment by the House was the first signal that the rule of law might not matter any more. These days, the law seems to be whatever Barack Obama and Eric Holder want it to be.

President George W. Bush’s formation of the mammoth Homeland Security Department and mission creep at the National Security Agency after the 9/11 terrorist attacks consolidated awesome and disturbing powers in very few hands. Now both outfits are out-of-control monsters.

The 2007-2008 crackup in housing and mortgage lending would be a leading candidate for the pivotal moment prize if one believes that it was the result of decades of conscious effort. Evidence that it was, including the Community Reinvestment Act and HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo’s 1990s housing discrimination directives, both of which forced banks to make loans to vast numbers of borrowers who couldn’t repay, is compelling. Compounding the problem, government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac “routinely misrepresented [2]” the quality of both the mortgages they packaged for the securities markets and those they kept on their own books for 15 years. The amounts involved were in the trillions of dollars.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#2 Feb 11, 2014
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It would have been painful in the short term, but the nation’s economy would likely have recovered, as it always previously had, from that Cloward Piven-like attempt [3] to collapse the system if a frightened George W. Bush administration, opportunistic Congress, and conflicted Federal Reserve hadn’t intervened in the fall of 2008. But they did, and heavy-handedly. Congress passed TARP, despite citizens’ overwhelming opposition [4]. Bush’s Treasury Department then used it to “put a gun to the head”[5] of big-bank CEOs, forcing them to accept government “investment” and de facto control, which the Dodd-Frank legislation solidified two years later [6].

All the while, the Fed engaged in a massive, undisclosed bailout of domestic [7] and even foreign [8] banks, followed by what became known as “quantitative easing.” And $4.1 trillion later [9], our central bank’s tiny cadre of suits and skirts now has the ability to almost instantly send the economy into a tailspin any time they see federal government policies or actions they don’t like. Don’t think for a minute that the three branches which nominally run our government don’t know this.

Historians may conclude that the presidential election of 2012 was the last chance to undo the authoritarian encroachment. Pervasive Obama administration harassment of political opponents by its Internal Revenue Service, serial lying about the September 2012 Benghazi terrorist attack, and the mother of all 21st century lies --“if you like your health care plan, doctor, medical provider, and drug regimen, you can keep them”-- inarguably delegitimized its result.

Things have now gotten so out of hand that a president consumed with arrogance can go in front of his nation and tell it that he plans to exceed his constitutional authority -- and get a standing ovation from the same people who said they were scared to death of “the imperial presidency [10]” a decade ago.

Obama acts as if he’s untouchable, and he seemingly is. If there’s a level of defiance or incompetence which will lead to serious calls for his removal, we haven’t yet reached that threshold -- one which would long since have been crossed with any other president of either party.

Just days after his State of the Union address, we saw a cocky president comically declare that there’s “not a smidgen of corruption” at the IRS. He then stood by as the agency, in a clearly in-your-face move, handed out millions in bonuses to employees.

A short time later, we learned that the Health and Human Services Department allegedly allowed programmers from Belarus, a country which should be considered an enemy, to be involved in producing [11] the objectively not-secure HealthCare.gov web site supporting Obama’s so-called “signature achievement,” the Affordable Care Act. The intelligence community believes that these programmers may have deliberately installed malware, which “could be used to covertly route data from the Obamacare website to foreign locations.” Since the Obamacare computers have access to a myriad of other federal databases, our enemies may literally now have the keys to the kingdom. As of when this column was written, this shocking development had barely made a ripple.

I certainly hope I’m wrong, and I’m not suggesting that we hang our heads and give up. But it sure feels like we are already in the grip of post-constitutional despotism. The best counter-argument right now is that some in Congress have finally determined that passing laws or even discussing legislation while a lawless president is in office is a pointless exercise. Will enough of them figure that out in time to begin taking the country back?
Pam

Plain City, OH

#3 Feb 11, 2014
This president is clearly a dictator like Fidel Castro and not a proper U.S.A. President.
Voodoo

United States

#4 Feb 11, 2014
Doomed!
They cannot kill a Spook

Detroit, MI

#5 Feb 11, 2014
Pam wrote:
This president is clearly a dictator like Fidel Castro and not a proper U.S.A. President.
At least Fidel was Cuban, not a Kenyan.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#6 Feb 11, 2014
We're getting close to the point of no return, if we haven't passed it already. The debt is the biggest indicator of this in my opinion. Our children and grandchildren will be virtual slaves to this debt.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#7 Feb 11, 2014
In 1951 we actually REDUCED the national debt. Not since.
Pale Rider

Alexandria, KY

#8 Feb 12, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
In 1951 we actually REDUCED the national debt. Not since.
BIG LIE!

You don't know!
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#9 Feb 12, 2014
Pale Rider wrote:
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BIG LIE!
You don't know!
I spit directly in your face you troll.

We do know because it is documented historical fact.

The big lie is your politics, and you are not fat, and can think for yourself.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#10 Feb 12, 2014
Pale Rider wrote:
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BIG LIE!
You don't know!
it was over for you at birth.

no we just laugh at you.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#11 Feb 13, 2014
Tip, you're not wrong!
Post constitutional despotism. hits the nail on the head.
As far as where do we go from here, I think it is going to end up in the unthinkable to the large majority of Americans who love the USA and are totally against this USSA that has been so slightly down through the years and decades been slowly put over the USA it was virtually unnoticed.
Starting in the 60s I had an idea of the USA ceasing to exist in its present form and around 1975 I started writing this down. I saw the seeds beginning to sprout back then, Not saying I am greater than anyone else but some of us have keener eyesight than others. I talked about this in the 60s with a friend from Milwaukee and another from Mexico City.
We have already passed the point of no return and don't classify me as a pessimist. One of two things will happen from here on out. Either America, meaning the USA/USSA will continue its trek into the USSA leaving the USA behind or it will balkanise which I have been teaching balkanisation for the past 20 years.
I prefer to live in a smaller country being governed by the Constitution than in this Manifest Destiny beast of socialism. I am not advocating revolution or armed revolution preferring to do it in a gentlemanly and ladylike fashion of parting company. Here you take yours and we'll take ours. I pray to GOD it happens in such manner and fashion.
September 12 my cousins in Scotland will vote whether to stay in the UK or become independent. I say we go for it.
Remember socialism is too ensconced in DC to go away. They will get their part one way or the other and it is up to us to settle in a civilised manner.
OK, I'm ready for the name calling and laughing at me from those who I know will but from you others I am patiently waiting for some intelligence to show through and talk about this. Hae at it!!!

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#12 Feb 13, 2014
dunadd wrote:
I am not advocating revolution or armed revolution preferring to do it in a gentlemanly and ladylike fashion of parting company. Here you take yours and we'll take ours.
That's the whole problem... They're not happy with "theirs" they want "yours" too.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#13 Feb 13, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
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That's the whole problem... They're not happy with "theirs" they want "yours" too.
and unfortunately you are correct.

the ex wife syndrome, or puppy syndrome.

puppies always want what is in another puppies bowl.

ex wives want blood.

NY Governor flat out said you are not welcome in NY if you disagree with the progressive agenda in any way.

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#14 Feb 13, 2014
Pale Rider wrote:
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BIG LIE!
You don't know!
Why do you hate Harry Truman?
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#15 Feb 13, 2014
they call themselves progressives, I call them communitarians. They won't like my word because it is too close to what they are but I will continue to use communitarian.
The next communitarian president if the higher ups allow it will be sir Hillary!!!!
Has she grown her a mustache yet?
kennia

Ashland, KY

#16 Feb 13, 2014
Plaease stay away brain Conley from Grayson he sick and mental ill.. He threaten to kill my friend.. he point gun to head .. he so crazy they he is phychotic.. he tells bizzar on people and on himself.. if you want to court stay away from
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#17 Feb 13, 2014
Is there interpreter in house???
sidekick

Columbus, OH

#19 Feb 13, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
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That's the whole problem... They're not happy with "theirs" they want "yours" too.
Have you ever heard of the group of people called: "Anonymous"?
I believe they are truly real in their messages. They have multiple videos on youtube, have been in news casts for hacking major corporate places and I assume, they're very much Republican.
Check out a few of their videos, if you like. Here is a few to start...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#20 Feb 13, 2014
sidekick wrote:
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Have you ever heard of the group of people called: "Anonymous"?
I believe they are truly real in their messages. They have multiple videos on youtube, have been in news casts for hacking major corporate places and I assume, they're very much Republican.
Check out a few of their videos, if you like. Here is a few to start...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =cOAKv_fCh9sXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I am aware of the existence of the group, and I seriously doubt its members are limited to one political persuasion. The "leanings" of the organizations they've attacked is too broad.
Conservative

Springfield, OH

#21 Feb 13, 2014
Remember the American People voted in the majority for obama TWICE They also elect and re-elect the same Congressmen and Senators over and over, probably the reason being they have no clue who they are or who they voted for last time.

You get the Government you voted for AND deserve.

I was shocked at my Grandson recently. He is attending Wittenburg University on a Scholastic Scholarship yet he actually said that many people say obamacare is bad but no one ever says why, so he asked why.

Disappointed to put it mildly.

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