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Since: May 13

North Miami Beach, FL

#21 Nov 13, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
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The Common Core effort was put together by governors, in a bi partisan effort and educators
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Core_Stat...
thethirdrail
how many of those Governors are Liberals. No Wonder the Kids Need
a computer to do simple Math!!! No wonder they need (thanks to a
failed Liberal educational system) to push through another Socialist
(one size fits all)Top Heavy Program!!

“YOUR STUPIDITY”

Since: Apr 10

IS APPALLING!

#22 Nov 13, 2013
thethirdrail wrote:
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thethirdrail
how many of those Governors are Liberals. No Wonder the Kids Need
a computer to do simple Math!!! No wonder they need (thanks to a
failed Liberal educational system) to push through another Socialist
(one size fits all)Top Heavy Program!!
I'm sorry..you can't blame one party...the education nightmare has been on both party's watch for decades.
Let's face it.....instead of making it better, they are just skimming the surface, without delving deeper into subjects. How will students understand concepts and learn to think?
When they allowed calculators into the classrooms, that was the start of the downfall of kids not thinking for themselves.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#23 Nov 13, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
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I'm sorry..you can't blame one party...the education nightmare has been on both party's watch for decades.
Let's face it.....instead of making it better, they are just skimming the surface, without delving deeper into subjects. How will students understand concepts and learn to think?
When they allowed calculators into the classrooms, that was the start of the downfall of kids not thinking for themselves.
Exactly.

Without digging into the reasons, our school systems also have had to deal with falling revenues (and it's not just due to tax payers refusing to pass levies--sometimes due to tax abatements given to corporations in order to come into a region with a promise to bring "jobs"), and have been overburdened with bloated administrations. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians when it comes to the teachers. They're all going off on one teaching theory or another. Never any focus on the kids and what they are learning and if they are progressing adequately.

I cheered when the Cbus levy went down in flames. They wanted money to "study" the problem. Loads of money, but didn't give any indication they had a clue what the problems were in the school district. But I also see the other problem--we don't care about investing in a child's education. Like you said, they're taught to pass a test. They don't learn critical reasoning or how to read or basic math.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#24 Nov 13, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Exactly.
Without digging into the reasons, our school systems also have had to deal with falling revenues (and it's not just due to tax payers refusing to pass levies--sometimes due to tax abatements given to corporations in order to come into a region with a promise to bring "jobs"), and have been overburdened with bloated administrations. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians when it comes to the teachers. They're all going off on one teaching theory or another. Never any focus on the kids and what they are learning and if they are progressing adequately.
I cheered when the Cbus levy went down in flames. They wanted money to "study" the problem. Loads of money, but didn't give any indication they had a clue what the problems were in the school district. But I also see the other problem--we don't care about investing in a child's education. Like you said, they're taught to pass a test. They don't learn critical reasoning or how to read or basic math.
Reading your posts, it is clear that failure to teach critical reasoning is not a new problem.

Since: Oct 10

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#25 Nov 13, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
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I'm sorry..you can't blame one party...the education nightmare has been on both party's watch for decades.
Let's face it.....instead of making it better, they are just skimming the surface, without delving deeper into subjects. How will students understand concepts and learn to think?
When they allowed calculators into the classrooms, that was the start of the downfall of kids not thinking for themselves.
Agree totally, Bee.

And where will the next batch of innovators come from? It sounds like a form of mass mind control.

Trayvonius Martinez

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#26 Nov 13, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Reading your posts, it is clear that failure to teach critical reasoning is not a new problem.
There's the a-hole trolling again...no debate, no counterpoint, just a cvnt and her hate, pretending to be a lawyer.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#27 Nov 13, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Reading your posts, it is clear that failure to teach critical reasoning is not a new problem.
It's pretty clear public schools failed you. It's obviously clear you never attended law school. The problem with public education is multi-faceted. I'm sorry you're so simple and such a failure that you can't read for comprehension or follow a multi-faceted discussion of a problem. You've never left Medina, have you?

Trayvonius Martinez

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#28 Nov 13, 2013
New York City teachers recently received their new Common Core-approved textbooks — a month late — and they don’t like them one bit.

“They are loaded with errors,” said Rebecca Murphy a third-grade teacher in Queens, in a statement to the New York Daily News.

The mistakes are numerous. A third-grade workbook contains a set of questions accompanying a mismatched reading selection; one of the pages in another workbook is printed upside down; and some teacher’s manuals don’t line up with student versions.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/13/common-core...
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#29 Nov 13, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>There's the a-hole trolling again...no debate, no counterpoint, just a cvnt and her hate, pretending to be a lawyer.
And there you are following me around like a trained monkey. Dance, 3.1.

Trayvonius Martinez

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#30 Nov 13, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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And there you are following me around like a trained monkey. Dance, 3.1.
You have it backwards again, cvnt.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#31 Nov 13, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>You have it backwards again, cvnt.
Your debating skills are second to none, 3.1. A pejorative in every post. Impressive.

“YOUR STUPIDITY”

Since: Apr 10

IS APPALLING!

#32 Nov 14, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Exactly.
Without digging into the reasons, our school systems also have had to deal with falling revenues (and it's not just due to tax payers refusing to pass levies--sometimes due to tax abatements given to corporations in order to come into a region with a promise to bring "jobs"), and have been overburdened with bloated administrations. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians when it comes to the teachers. They're all going off on one teaching theory or another. Never any focus on the kids and what they are learning and if they are progressing adequately.
I cheered when the Cbus levy went down in flames. They wanted money to "study" the problem. Loads of money, but didn't give any indication they had a clue what the problems were in the school district. But I also see the other problem--we don't care about investing in a child's education. Like you said, they're taught to pass a test. They don't learn critical reasoning or how to read or basic math.
Levies!
I do not vote for a lot of levies. Especially what I hear from teachers, and all the waste and the extra aides, etc. Why do the teachers need aides? So they can teach how to take a test? Ridiculous!
In my school district, they hired a teacher who had just retired(double dipping) and his job was to make sure kids are living at their address they claimed.
Having a waterfall by the football stadium, etc, etc. I want to scream!
Redecorating,and renovating the three libraries in the high school. EXCUSE me! Three libraries? Well, they finally after all thses years condensed to one. Go figure. I think they will just find things to do, that don't need fixing just to spend our tax dollars. Mean while in the classroom, the teachers are teachers are instructing the students how to take a test. What happened to the three "R's"
Rant of the day........lol

“YOUR STUPIDITY”

Since: Apr 10

IS APPALLING!

#33 Nov 14, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
New York City teachers recently received their new Common Core-approved textbooks — a month late — and they don’t like them one bit.
“They are loaded with errors,” said Rebecca Murphy a third-grade teacher in Queens, in a statement to the New York Daily News.
The mistakes are numerous. A third-grade workbook contains a set of questions accompanying a mismatched reading selection; one of the pages in another workbook is printed upside down; and some teacher’s manuals don’t line up with student versions.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/13/common-core...
I hope they reprint fixing all the errors. They are in such a hurry to implement this in 45 states, the left hand don't know what the right hand is doing.
We can only hope.
Have a good day!
Talk to you later...work.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#34 Nov 14, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Reading your posts, it is clear that failure to teach critical reasoning is not a new problem.
I agree...it is a perfect example of your affirmative action inability for reading comprehension or understanding.

The commies are sprinting to John Boehner to save them from exile.

you, your political beliefs, your racism....all being aborted.

yes I am happy about it, and will stand there to watch you burn.

Since: May 13

North Miami Beach, FL

#35 Nov 21, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly.
Without digging into the reasons, our school systems also have had to deal with falling revenues (and it's not just due to tax payers refusing to pass levies--sometimes due to tax abatements given to corporations in order to come into a region with a promise to bring "jobs"), and have been overburdened with bloated administrations. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians when it comes to the teachers. They're all going off on one teaching theory or another. Never any focus on the kids and what they are learning and if they are progressing adequately.
I cheered when the Cbus levy went down in flames. They wanted money to "study" the problem. Loads of money, but didn't give any indication they had a clue what the problems were in the school district. But I also see the other problem--we don't care about investing in a child's education. Like you said, they're taught to pass a test. They don't learn critical reasoning or how to read or basic math.
thethirdrail
"not enough money don't care enough-- You Don't Need a Whole lot
of money to teach such things as Basic Math Or Science---Today there is the lottery which gives more than enough money for
classroom equipment etc. You should see what they've spent in
such places as Florida to know that the answer to most of the
schools problems are more emphasis on the basics and less emphasis
on unqualified teachers who are protected by powerful unions."
Juniper

Cincinnati, OH

#36 Nov 21, 2013
Public school regimentation and indoctrination doesn't work beyond teaching the 3R's.

In the old days public schools only taught the basics, giving children the skills to learn and do business on their own without a government middleman and overseer.

Big government has perverted 3R courseware into a national scandal, where high schools graduate functional illiterates, but instead are socially aware.

The real solution is to return control of public schools to locales, and fire the self-serving national experts.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#37 Nov 21, 2013
thethirdrail wrote:
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thethirdrail
"not enough money don't care enough-- You Don't Need a Whole lot
of money to teach such things as Basic Math Or Science---Today there is the lottery which gives more than enough money for
classroom equipment etc. You should see what they've spent in
such places as Florida to know that the answer to most of the
schools problems are more emphasis on the basics and less emphasis
on unqualified teachers who are protected by powerful unions."
The myth: that the lottery provides most of the school funding. Sorry, provide detail on what you're alluding to here.

http://www.falcon.stark.k12.oh.us/Downloads/T...

http://www.pickerington.k12.oh.us/districtNew...

http://www.corestandards.org/public-license

Copyrighting teaching standards and then enforcing them in local school districts? What a crock of crap!!!

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/state_edwatch/...

Let's keep this discussion on track, too, regarding "core curriculum." You realize there is a vested interest in this idea, right? That vested interest is held by holders of the copyrights of these materials, and the materials and methods for this "teaching system" have not been benchmarked or proven for success... In fact, they DON'T stack up against math scores in countries that succeed in teaching their kids math.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2013/04/11/op...

There are a whole lotta issues surrounding "common core." It doesn't look like it's intended to teach kids, but to me, fleece someone's pocket.

Since: May 13

North Miami Beach, FL

#38 Nov 22, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
The myth: that the lottery provides most of the school funding. Sorry, provide detail on what you're alluding to here.
http://www.falcon.stark.k12.oh.us/Downloads/T...
http://www.pickerington.k12.oh.us/districtNew...
http://www.corestandards.org/public-license
Copyrighting teaching standards and then enforcing them in local school districts? What a crock of crap!!!
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/state_edwatch/...
Let's keep this discussion on track, too, regarding "core curriculum." You realize there is a vested interest in this idea, right? That vested interest is held by holders of the copyrights of these materials, and the materials and methods for this "teaching system" have not been benchmarked or proven for success... In fact, they DON'T stack up against math scores in countries that succeed in teaching their kids math.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2013/04/11/op...
There are a whole lotta issues surrounding "common core." It doesn't look like it's intended to teach kids, but to me, fleece someone's pocket.
thethirdrail
no one has maintained that the lottery money is for most of the
funding for schools---what has been said And I agree that the
lottery money should be used (in places like Florida)to provide
such things as calculators computers artists supplies etc.etc. etc.
In Florida a large part of this money has been used to decrease
the principle of education funding Instead Instead of using it for
it's Original for it's---It's Original Intent Original Intent
which was to fund equipment in the classrooms.
just saying

Charleston, WV

#39 Mar 8, 2014
BizzyBee wrote:
<quoted text>
The Common Core effort was put together by governors, in a bi partisan effort and educators
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Core_Stat...
The Common Core was NOT put together by governors and educators. It was a Washington DC based organization of the Governor's Association, but individual governors did not put this together. It was initiated by Bill Gates and his 100 million dollar donation. Achieve had a part in it and so did Rupert Murdock. Have you researched the data mining they are going to do on your children from preschool to high school graduation? Using this data, they can pigeon-hole your child into a "career ready" decision for college. Is that what was done in Bill Gates or Steve Jobs situation? Or were they able to create their own ideas in the free market? The Federal Government needs to GET OUT of education decisions. This goes against the 10th amendment of state's being able to governing themselves.

Research --Truth in American Education and various clips from You tube. Pass it on!

“YOUR STUPIDITY”

Since: Apr 10

IS APPALLING!

#40 Mar 8, 2014
just saying wrote:
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The Common Core was NOT put together by governors and educators. It was a Washington DC based organization of the Governor's Association, but individual governors did not put this together. It was initiated by Bill Gates and his 100 million dollar donation. Achieve had a part in it and so did Rupert Murdock. Have you researched the data mining they are going to do on your children from preschool to high school graduation? Using this data, they can pigeon-hole your child into a "career ready" decision for college. Is that what was done in Bill Gates or Steve Jobs situation? Or were they able to create their own ideas in the free market? The Federal Government needs to GET OUT of education decisions. This goes against the 10th amendment of state's being able to governing themselves.
Research --Truth in American Education and various clips from You tube. Pass it on!
This is a paragraph from the site in my post:

Development[edit]

In 2009, the National Governors Association convened a group of educators to work on developing the standards. This team included David Coleman, William McCallum of the University of Arizona, Phil Daro, and Student Achievement Partners founders Jason Zimba[6] and Susan Pimentel to write standards in the areas of mathematics and literacy.[citation needed] Announced on June 1, 2009,[7] the initiative's stated purpose is to "provide a consistent, clear understanding of what students are expected to learn, so teachers and parents know what they need to do to help them."[8] Additionally, "the standards are designed to be robust and relevant to the real world, reflecting the knowledge and skills that our young people need for success in college and careers," which should place American students in a position in which they can compete in a global economy.[8]

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