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#601 Apr 23, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Never thought that waiting for appointments could be amusing -- you are teaching me otherwise. What would your reaction be if this firing occurred and she had never come out publicly in that obit and the only "knowledge" was rumor and innuendo? Hearsay?
Meow.
She WAS out. The difference now is that someone less tolerant is pressuring for her to be terminated.

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#602 Apr 23, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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I won't register. Don't want to, don't have to, doesn't mean I don't mean what I say.
you don't have to worry about being held accountable for your post either and don't have to worry about being banned either as a registered user but any unregistered user could use the name Wait what and post anything they want and play the blame game I didn't post it.

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#603 Apr 23, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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I won't register. Don't want to, don't have to, doesn't mean I don't mean what I say.
You are pretty consistently yourself.

Some people change names all the time. However, that seems to apply to registered as well as non-registered folks.

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#604 Apr 23, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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She WAS out. The difference now is that someone less tolerant is pressuring for her to be terminated.
It is troubling that it was an anonymous letter that brought her to the attention of those with hiring/firing capabilities.

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#605 Apr 23, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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It is troubling that it was an anonymous letter that brought her to the attention of those with hiring/firing capabilities.
Seeing the LGBTQIABC's threatening response to the news...an anonymous tip is to be expected. You can thank your gay activist friends.

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Planet Earth

#606 Apr 23, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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It is troubling that it was an anonymous letter that brought her to the attention of those with hiring/firing capabilities.
Why is it troubling?

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#607 Apr 23, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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She WAS out. The difference now is that someone less tolerant is pressuring for her to be terminated.
The issue is two fold: 1) she was dishonest and did not inform her employers, 2) she wasn't "out" if no one she worked with knew.

For all the blustering that is going on here, courts generally do not intefere in these situations when it is a matter of their doctrine. See the post way early where I pointed this out based on a google link.

You, I, or anyone else may not like it. It may be perceived as unfair. I really, personally, don't care other than I do believe any religious organization ought to be able to practice its faith and administer it in the way it best sees fit and I understand -- fully -- beyond the blustering here, exactly the predicament the Church finds itself in here, given its stance on work and social justice. I just don't find it intelligent to have any government organization interfering in such a manner.

I am only putting forth the logic as I know it. If you don't care for the logic, then read something else. This teacher, if she is as capable as she is portrayed, should have no difficulties finding new employer elsewhere, where she may be more welcome. By some obscure chance (my belief) she gets her job back, it's not going to be comfortable nor easy for her. Others have been dismissed from Catholic teaching jobs when they've ~~displayed~~ behavior against the moral ethical expectations--extramarital affairs.

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#608 Apr 23, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Seeing the LGBTQIABC's threatening response to the news...an anonymous tip is to be expected. You can thank your gay activist friends.
Wasn't any activism until the woman was fired, remember?

And the local group that has organized around this issue--according to the Dispatch--is committed to NOT fighting fire with fire, or hate with hate, but trying to bring love and acceptance to the situation.

I don't know the specifics about other responses--although the police were quoted as saying that they were "menacing" rather than "threatening."

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#609 Apr 23, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Why is it troubling?
Just seems cowardly. Lacks courage of convictions, that sort of thing.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#610 Apr 23, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Wasn't any activism until the woman was fired, remember?
And the local group that has organized around this issue--according to the Dispatch--is committed to NOT fighting fire with fire, or hate with hate, but trying to bring love and acceptance to the situation.
I don't know the specifics about other responses--although the police were quoted as saying that they were "menacing" rather than "threatening."
What would you call an extortion attempt? Or the fact that the principal now has a police guard?

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#611 Apr 23, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Wasn't any activism until the woman was fired, remember?
And the local group that has organized around this issue--according to the Dispatch--is committed to NOT fighting fire with fire, or hate with hate, but trying to bring love and acceptance to the situation.
I don't know the specifics about other responses--although the police were quoted as saying that they were "menacing" rather than "threatening."
You "don't know the specificis about other responses" because you don't want to.
A thuggish, threatening response from the LGBTQIABC community is as predictable as the sun rising in the East.

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#612 Apr 23, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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The issue is two fold: 1) she was dishonest and did not inform her employers, 2) she wasn't "out" if no one she worked with knew.
For all the blustering that is going on here, courts generally do not intefere in these situations when it is a matter of their doctrine. See the post way early where I pointed this out based on a google link.
You, I, or anyone else may not like it. It may be perceived as unfair. I really, personally, don't care other than I do believe any religious organization ought to be able to practice its faith and administer it in the way it best sees fit and I understand -- fully -- beyond the blustering here, exactly the predicament the Church finds itself in here, given its stance on work and social justice. I just don't find it intelligent to have any government organization interfering in such a manner.
I am only putting forth the logic as I know it. If you don't care for the logic, then read something else. This teacher, if she is as capable as she is portrayed, should have no difficulties finding new employer elsewhere, where she may be more welcome. By some obscure chance (my belief) she gets her job back, it's not going to be comfortable nor easy for her. Others have been dismissed from Catholic teaching jobs when they've ~~displayed~~ behavior against the moral ethical expectations--extramarital affairs.
I think that what you say about the courts has been true in the past. However we currently have a confluence of activist right-wing religious groups (supported by places like Liberty U Law School) seeking to expand religious influence and the rather hard-line reining in of Catholic-related institutions with regard to contraceptive coverage. Prior to the challenge of Obamacare, such institutions were drifting in the direction of such coverage being a non-issue--in part due to competition in hiring of professors and doctors, and in part due to some theological drift among believers.

And, of course we have the gay rights movement, which is going to impact employment rights.

I look for activist attempts to expand the ministerial exemption far beyond the pulpit (as was the case in Michigan) to include all kinds of non-ministerial workers in sponsored agencies. And there will, of course, be attempts by others (like Hobby Lobby) to hitch a ride to get their own special provisions. I really don't think this one is near settled.

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#613 Apr 23, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Just seems cowardly. Lacks courage of convictions, that sort of thing.
Lots of reasons one might want to remain anonymous. Whistleblower-type situations especially.

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#614 Apr 23, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Just seems cowardly. Lacks courage of convictions, that sort of thing.
More likely, the courage of conviction related to protection of family and home.

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#615 Apr 23, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Just seems cowardly. Lacks courage of convictions, that sort of thing.
Cowardice is making threatening, menacing phone calls and internet comments to the school, the diocese, and their employees.

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#616 Apr 23, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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I think that what you say about the courts has been true in the past. However we currently have a confluence of activist right-wing religious groups (supported by places like Liberty U Law School) seeking to expand religious influence and the rather hard-line reining in of Catholic-related institutions with regard to contraceptive coverage. Prior to the challenge of Obamacare, such institutions were drifting in the direction of such coverage being a non-issue--in part due to competition in hiring of professors and doctors, and in part due to some theological drift among believers.
And, of course we have the gay rights movement, which is going to impact employment rights.
I look for activist attempts to expand the ministerial exemption far beyond the pulpit (as was the case in Michigan) to include all kinds of non-ministerial workers in sponsored agencies. And there will, of course, be attempts by others (like Hobby Lobby) to hitch a ride to get their own special provisions. I really don't think this one is near settled.
They are not "seeking to expand religious influence," you nut.
They are seeking to defend their Constitutional rights.

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#617 Apr 23, 2013
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You are pretty consistently yourself.
Some people change names all the time. However, that seems to apply to registered as well as non-registered folks.
Registered Users just cant change their Topix Post Name without Topix doing it for Registered Users where as like the Unregistered Topix Users all they got to do is change their Topix Post Name but the IP Topix location shows up as the same with the Unregistered Topix Users which do it a lot on the Topix US politic forums.

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#618 Apr 23, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Lots of reasons one might want to remain anonymous. Whistleblower-type situations especially.
It was allegedly a parent.

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#619 Apr 23, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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They are not "seeking to expand religious influence," you nut.
They are seeking to defend their Constitutional rights.
In the past, ministerial exemptions pretty much covered folks in the pulpit.

When people start advocating that it apply to teachers, nurses and doctors, I call that an expansion.

And it interferes with some rights that others, outside their religion, may have, such as that pesky equal protection under the law thing, equal employment opportunity and so forth.

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#620 Apr 23, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Cowardice is making threatening, menacing phone calls and internet comments to the school, the diocese, and their employees.
Not defending that either.

Just seems odd that someone who had such a sound policy on their side would choose anonymity. Unless there was something else going on.

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