The "Tolerant Left" Strikes Again
Enzyte Bob

Garden City, MI

#453 Apr 22, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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As an example, Bob claims to be Catholic.
He upholds the Church's moral teachings, but denies the virgin birth.
In fact, he admits that the Church is more about culture than faith for him, personally.
A faithful Catholic would never deny the virgin birth.
I don't deny the virgin birth, I deny that it is biologically possible for a virgin birth to occur. The more likely explanation is that Virgin meant something else in the old Greek texts and this resulted in a mangled translation into English which leads to mockery by people such as myself.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#454 Apr 22, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Well let me ask you this.
This religious institution has a very lengthy, well documented history of retaining in its pool of employees men who had sexual relations with juvenile parishoners, in violation of both criminal statutes, and Church doctrine.
Now, this woman who was employed for quite a few years and apparently was well liked by many, finds herself being fired, not for engaging in heinous criminal acts which victimized juvenile parishoners, but for having her adult, private relationship exposed through an obituary.
Do you think maybe there's just a wee a bit of hypocrisy within that large organization?
woof
Sadly, the Church ignored homosexuals, and their unnatural behaviors, within its rank for some time.

That's over now.
Ask Ms. Hale.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#455 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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And since one sin is as bad as another, any sin can get one fired, correct?
Certainly, any employee confirmed to be practicing immorality and/or unethical behaviors, without any intention of repentance, can potentially be fired.

The employees know that fact when they sign the contract.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#456 Apr 22, 2013
Kosmik wrote:
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Another coward with a keyboard. At least we'll know where to find you, just look in every mother's basement.
I'm in the attic, brah!

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#457 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Bit of a straw man, there, dontcha think?
But, an equivalent situation might be imagined. Could a Muslim school hire a non-Muslim as a gym teacher and then fire them using a morals clause if they found out that the teacher regularly eats pork?
What we are essentially dealing with is a legal question regarding a conflict of rights. How far can a religious organization go in demanding specific religiously-dictated behaviors on the part of employees hired to handle secular tasks? And how far can the state go in protecting the rights of workers from discrimination in a variety of situations when the employer is a religious institution?
I don't see simple answers and I expect definitions to shift based on court cases that hone in on specifics.
But all the emotionalism and claims of Catholic-bashing are not going to help. Neither is the attitude that a contract is a contract is a contract. Some contract clauses are unenforceable, as they violate principles in law. And frankly, the morals clauses that I have seen quoted here differ very little from those typically included in public school teacher contracts--despite the belief of many here that they clearly spell out specific Catholic beliefs.
So you'd agree with me then. An Islam school can fire one for bringing in a ham sandwich for lunch, eh? Me, I wouldn't even want to try. But you GOT the right analogy there.

There's precedent Reader, and you know it. I've posted it, several Catholic schools have fired gays who outted themselves.

Catholic schools have hired via contract for a very long time. They hire teachers based on enrollment and incoming tuition.

These are adults in positions of influence over children. The church does not teach that gay relationships are moral, quite the contrary. It also has nothing to do with tolerance or believing Catholics (or substitute any religion name here) is "better" than another. The crux of the issue is the doctrine of the church and not allowing the state to encroach on it.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#458 Apr 22, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>I don't deny the virgin birth, I deny that it is biologically possible for a virgin birth to occur. The more likely explanation is that Virgin meant something else in the old Greek texts and this resulted in a mangled translation into English which leads to mockery by people such as myself.
C'mon, Bob...you have previously referred to Mary as less-than-wholesome and to Jesus as her illegitimate child, fathered by a man.

Let's not pretend otherwise.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#459 Apr 22, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Where is it in the Constitution that the federal government has the power to order a Catholic institution to employ a lesbian?
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials...

“animis opibusque parati”

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#460 Apr 22, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Maybe they used a turkey baster. Ever consider that?
woof
As I've said previously, you are a base fellow.

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#461 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Ah, so only the perfect can be considered religious... I think I understand radical Islam now.
Where was perfection mentioned?

One cannot deny the basic doctrines related to salvation through faith in Jesus Christ...and still claim to be a believer.

“Queen of my domain”

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#462 Apr 22, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Well let me ask you this.
This religious institution has a very lengthy, well documented history of retaining in its pool of employees men who had sexual relations with juvenile parishoners, in violation of both criminal statutes, and Church doctrine.
Now, this woman who was employed for quite a few years and apparently was well liked by many, finds herself being fired, not for engaging in heinous criminal acts which victimized juvenile parishoners, but for having her adult, private relationship exposed through an obituary.
Do you think maybe there's just a wee a bit of hypocrisy within that large organization?
woof
And so, you expect the Church to continue that history? Or do those mistakes suddenly force it to change its doctrine?

Also, many of those priests have been defrocked, some are in prison.

The issue regarding the priest, however somewhat off topic here, is to ensure there are ways that civil authorities CAN investigate any crime where a religious is accused without interference from the Church. That was a huge issue in the case I'm most familiar with. The diocese held back, dragged its feet, and delayed access to its records. Also the fact that the victims did not come out and speak AGAINST their predators in many cases in over a decade (often more).

“animis opibusque parati”

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#463 Apr 22, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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It doesn't. But it does say that if their gonna impose "reasonable" rules, they have to be applied evenly against all classes of people, and not arbitrarily.
Child molesters at church/school = good...keep job; Lesbians in private life = bad...fired???
Very bad policy. Cost lot of money.
woof
If you have proof of known child molesters at Bishop Watterson, I suggest you alert the school and the proper authorities.

I can assure you that, if evidence of sex crimes is found, said molesters will be dismissed and prosecuted immediately.

You don't keep up with the news, do you?
Just content to keep rehashing the unrelated past...

“animis opibusque parati”

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#464 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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As a Christian, I am embarrassed by the number of Christians who believe that their particular brand is the one and only right way.
Can't save the world by fighting over the sheep already in the pen.
No biblically-faithful Christian can claim that homosexual behavior is approved by God.

Keep pretending.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#465 Apr 22, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Sorry Paco, but I don't see consensual sex between adults as vile, and I believe that fairy tale was concocted to control the masses.
I'm free to believe what I wish. I don't care if you're offended by it. Lots of your beliefs offend me, quite frankly.
woof
Be a brave boy, doggie, and mock Mohammed to a Muslim's face.
You want to be consistent, don't you?

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#466 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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As a Christian, I am embarrassed by the number of Christians who believe that their particular brand is the one and only right way.
Can't save the world by fighting over the sheep already in the pen.
What none of them concieve:

Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again,
Let it be known there is a fountain,
That was not made by the hands of men.

There is a road, no simple highway,
Between the dawn and the dark of night,
And if you go no one may follow,
That path is for your steps alone.

Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.

But if you fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.--Robert Hunter

“animis opibusque parati”

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#467 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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As a believer in God, I am embarrassed by the number of people who would use their "brand" to try to exert control over other people, given that every one of those brands believe that God gave us all free will.
There is nothing good in mankind that would cause him to seek God, nor can man participate in his own salvation. God is sovereign; only He can empower a heart to believe and to resist sin.

Romans 3:10-12

None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God.
All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#468 Apr 22, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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C'mon, Bob...you have previously referred to Mary as less-than-wholesome and to Jesus as her illegitimate child, fathered by a man.
Let's not pretend otherwise.
Why would that be any less believable?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#469 Apr 22, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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As I've said previously, you are a base fellow.
I'm not afraid of God like you are. I'm figuring he has a sense of humor, unlike you.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#470 Apr 22, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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And so, you expect the Church to continue that history? Or do those mistakes suddenly force it to change its doctrine?
Also, many of those priests have been defrocked, some are in prison.
The issue regarding the priest, however somewhat off topic here, is to ensure there are ways that civil authorities CAN investigate any crime where a religious is accused without interference from the Church. That was a huge issue in the case I'm most familiar with. The diocese held back, dragged its feet, and delayed access to its records. Also the fact that the victims did not come out and speak AGAINST their predators in many cases in over a decade (often more).
I'm merely pointing out that the hypocrisy of the Church is self evident if one looks through a lens that provides a wide angle viewpoint.

Think what you wish.

woof

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#471 Apr 22, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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So you'd agree with me then. An Islam school can fire one for bringing in a ham sandwich for lunch, eh? Me, I wouldn't even want to try. But you GOT the right analogy there.
There's precedent Reader, and you know it. I've posted it, several Catholic schools have fired gays who outted themselves.
Catholic schools have hired via contract for a very long time. They hire teachers based on enrollment and incoming tuition.
These are adults in positions of influence over children. The church does not teach that gay relationships are moral, quite the contrary. It also has nothing to do with tolerance or believing Catholics (or substitute any religion name here) is "better" than another. The crux of the issue is the doctrine of the church and not allowing the state to encroach on it.
And I would say the crux of the matter is determining where the line is drawn. Even the broad latitude granted in the Michiigan decision would not go so far as to allow the ministerial exemption to apply to a non-Catholic gym teacher.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#472 Apr 22, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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If you have proof of known child molesters at Bishop Watterson, I suggest you alert the school and the proper authorities.
I can assure you that, if evidence of sex crimes is found, said molesters will be dismissed and prosecuted immediately.
You don't keep up with the news, do you?
Just content to keep rehashing the unrelated past...
You don't have to get snippy just because I point out what is self evident.

woof

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