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#348 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The amount that they pay is immaterial when it comes to employee discrimination.
As far as "rejecting that entire philosophy of education," I believe that you are getting yourself a bit far afield.
Ms. Hale was not discriminated against.
She accepted the terms of her employment and possible termination.
She rolled the dice...and lost.

Hey...it took 19 years to catch up with her, so she's got that.

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#349 Apr 22, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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If you don't think the exceptions should exist, you are defending the supremacy of the state.
The state exists only to defend rights. It's the rights that are supreme.

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#350 Apr 22, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Violation of the First Amendment, dummy.
And how are other civil protections NOT a violation of the First Amendment?

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#351 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The amount that they pay is immaterial when it comes to employee discrimination.
As far as "rejecting that entire philosophy of education," I believe that you are getting yourself a bit far afield.
Not "far afield" in the least, Reader.
Biblically faithful Christians recognize homosexual behavior as a sin against God, as so stated in His Word.

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#352 Apr 22, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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IMMORALITY, as defined by the Bible.
"IMMORALITY, as defined by the Bible) particularly in this instance, is not clear, nor universally agreed upon.

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#353 Apr 22, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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The courts have ruled that certain religions can use drugs, that the rest of us can't.
Native Americans can have eagle feathers, the rest of us go to jail for one.
Yeah, I know... On the surface, it would seem that if a law cannot be applied equally to all, that perhaps it shouldn't be a law.

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#354 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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An example of disagreement between Reader and Kosmik.
Like most religious institutions, the Catholic Church is imperfect. And it has some serious issues to overcome. In fact, despite some serious disagreements with the current Pope, I see a good deal in him that gives me hope.
However, with regard to taxing churches, they are already held to a standard similar to that of most 501(c)(3) charities, which has to do with the percentage of activities that relate directly to political activity. And even that goes back to the Hatch Act--which I believe came about during the 1970's or so, as an attempt to quell activities aimed at empowering various disenfranchised groups. Essentially, the limitation is a fairly modern one.
Hey doll,
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I feel many denominations, including the Catholics have overstepped their bounds regarding politicisim

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#355 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Good point. It requires "someone" to determine what is moral, and there can be honest differences of opinion about that.
There is absolutely no ambiguity in the Church's position on homosexual behavior.
Ms. Hale chose employment with the Church, knowingly risking potential termination for her sinful lifestyle.

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#356 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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I don't believe that the religious exemptions are embedded in the laws themselves. The existence of the Ministerial Exception is a legal means by which conflicts between the free exercise and various citizen/employee protections have been resolved by the courts.
http://www.civilrights.org/lgbt/enda/religiou...

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#357 Apr 22, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Before Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it was generally understood that someone who wasn't a "common carrier" had "the right to refuse service and employment to anyone"
What Title II did was claim that we could extend the civil rights protection into private business on spurious commerce clause claims that make a mockery of the freedom to associate and to not associate with those of your choosing.
This is not related to federal law, however.

It is a local ordinance.

Any workplace having more than one person, by its nature, places some limitation on the freedom to associate.

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Hilliard, OH

#358 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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And how are other civil protections NOT a violation of the First Amendment?
The First Amendment protects speech, the press, free exercise of religion and the rights of assembly and petition. That's it.

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#359 Apr 22, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Ms. Hale was not discriminated against.
She accepted the terms of her employment and possible termination.
She rolled the dice...and lost.
Hey...it took 19 years to catch up with her, so she's got that.
The fact that the discrimination was religiously-based does not make it any less discriminatory.

And prior to the municipal ordinance (is that the right word) she would have had no protection.

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#360 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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"IMMORALITY, as defined by the Bible) particularly in this instance, is not clear, nor universally agreed upon.
Bullshit.

Again, your "church" never should have replaced its pew Bibles with the Humanist Manifesto.

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#361 Apr 22, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Not "far afield" in the least, Reader.
Biblically faithful Christians recognize homosexual behavior as a sin against God, as so stated in His Word.
as read and interpreted by tip.

There are others who disagree.

But what was getting far afield was the notion that Ms. Hale has rejected an entire educational approach.

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Columbus, OH

#362 Apr 22, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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It is very important as it has to do with the free exercise of religion. The entire purpose of having church-based schools is so that children can be educated in an environment where they are also immersed in the tenets of the faith. This is important from the standpoint of actual religious education which you cannot receive from a secular government school, and also extends to fellowship with other people from like backgrounds and reinforcement of the Catholic lifestyle. These are all essential parts of being a Catholic both religiously AND CULTURALLY as I have commented on on numerous occasions.
Having an open homosexual teaching gym class is simply not consistent with what most Catholic parents want their children to be exposed to at that age.
Maybe people at the school knew about her perversion, maybe they didn't. The important thing is that the parents didn't know and once they complained the church had only one decision it could make.
Bob what the Catholic Church is attempting is to alter the laws and the application of them to suit their purpose while stepping on any who disagree with them. I believe looking to another entity outside of this country for political marching orders is somewhat treasonous.

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#363 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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as read and interpreted by tip.
There are others who disagree.
But what was getting far afield was the notion that Ms. Hale has rejected an entire educational approach.
Ms. Hale's chosen lifestyle flies in the face of a biblical worldview.
She cannot in any way be said to exemplify the same.

(My goodness, has there ever been a poster more obtuse than yourself?)

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#364 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The fact that the discrimination was religiously-based does not make it any less discriminatory.
And prior to the municipal ordinance (is that the right word) she would have had no protection.
Ms. Hale accepted the terms of her employment which included possible termination for immorality, as defined by the Church.

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#365 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The fact that the discrimination was religiously-based does not make it any less discriminatory.
And prior to the municipal ordinance (is that the right word) she would have had no protection.
Further, as you have been informed, the "municipal ordinance" you reference will not pass Consitutional muster.

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Hilliard, OH

#366 Apr 22, 2013
Kosmik wrote:
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Bob what the Catholic Church is attempting is to alter the laws and the application of them to suit their purpose while stepping on any who disagree with them. I believe looking to another entity outside of this country for political marching orders is somewhat treasonous.
Kosmik has joined the Know Nothings and the KKK! Imagine that.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#367 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Nope. My daughter went to Catholic school because we felt she would get a better education than at the public alternatives. We're not Catholic.
That is one reason. Most Catholics who send their kids there do so because they don't want their kids exposed to what how's on in public schools. My cousin is a public school teacher and he was adamant about his kids going to a parochial school.

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