The "Tolerant Left" Strikes Again

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#329 Apr 22, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Largely, yes they can.
seems to defy logic to me

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#330 Apr 22, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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As you surely know, it is difficult to actually prove firing due to "race, creed, sex and religion" within a secular institution. In Hale's instance, it is inapplicable, as she was well aware of the terms of her employment.
Most companies maintain excellent documentation of employee performance records and are very skilled at protecting themselves from frivolous discrimination suits.
And how was she "well aware of the terms of her employment"?

I don't see spelled out in anything that has been shared here a clear prohibition against gay teachers.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#331 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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On what Constitutional grounds?
No religious exception, as exists with other civil-rights laws (again, not that I agree that such exceptions should exist...).

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#332 Apr 22, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Tip doesn't come across as someone who practices law. He once thought I was an insurance agent, though.
Comes across as a self-ordained preacher, if you ask me.

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#333 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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On what Constitutional grounds?
Violation of the First Amendment, dummy.

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#334 Apr 22, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Freedom of exercise, association.
How so?

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#335 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Perhaps.
And that would be the Church's argument in court should this go that far.
And yet, it would seem as though the teacher is a Bible believer.
And there would likely be some critical questions having to do with the extent to which this teacher was required to provide anything at all like religious instruction. In the Michigan case the distinction was made between lay and "called" teachers.
The teacher's faith claims are irrelevant.
Her immoral lifestyle is in direct conflict with the doctrine upheld by her Catholic employer, with whom she freely contracted for employment, subject to all of the terms for which she has been terminated.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#336 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The straw man had to do with the reference to "honor killings."
Is it not a tenet of radical Islam?

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

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#337 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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seems to defy logic to me
The courts have ruled that certain religions can use drugs, that the rest of us can't.

Native Americans can have eagle feathers, the rest of us go to jail for one.

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#338 Apr 22, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Again, absolutely correct.
The parents are paying top dollar for a parochial education -- that is, a biblical worldview applied to every subject.
It is completely incongruent to have as an instuctor someone who rejects that entire philosophy of education.
The amount that they pay is immaterial when it comes to employee discrimination.

As far as "rejecting that entire philosophy of education," I believe that you are getting yourself a bit far afield.

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#339 Apr 22, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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That also means that the campaign finance restrictions would have to go.
I agree.

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#340 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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No religious exception, as exists with other civil-rights laws (again, not that I agree that such exceptions should exist...).
If you don't think the exceptions should exist, you are defending the supremacy of the state.

You of all people would be strange to be called a statist, but in this case you are pushing it.

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#341 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Comes across as a self-ordained preacher, if you ask me.
Better that than to be a biblical false teacher, such as yourself.

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#342 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Is it not a tenet of radical Islam?
Mainly a tribal practice from Pakistan, pre-Islamic in nature, similar to female circumcision. Neither is actually in Sharia.

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#343 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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And how was she "well aware of the terms of her employment"?
I don't see spelled out in anything that has been shared here a clear prohibition against gay teachers.
Good point. It requires "someone" to determine what is moral, and there can be honest differences of opinion about that.

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#344 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Is it not a tenet of radical Islam?
No.

It is a cultural practice sometimes co-occuring with Islam (and other religions). Like FGM it has no specific religious grounding, although for many these things become entangled.

Like Christianity and patriotism for many in this country (no, I am not equating patriotism with honor killing or FGM--merely pointing out how co-occuring practices may frequently be religiously justified by practitioners).

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#345 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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And how was she "well aware of the terms of her employment"?
I don't see spelled out in anything that has been shared here a clear prohibition against gay teachers.
IMMORALITY, as defined by the Bible.

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#346 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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How so?
Before Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it was generally understood that someone who wasn't a "common carrier" had "the right to refuse service and employment to anyone"

What Title II did was claim that we could extend the civil rights protection into private business on spurious commerce clause claims that make a mockery of the freedom to associate and to not associate with those of your choosing.

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#347 Apr 22, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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No religious exception, as exists with other civil-rights laws (again, not that I agree that such exceptions should exist...).
I don't believe that the religious exemptions are embedded in the laws themselves. The existence of the Ministerial Exception is a legal means by which conflicts between the free exercise and various citizen/employee protections have been resolved by the courts.

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#348 Apr 22, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The amount that they pay is immaterial when it comes to employee discrimination.
As far as "rejecting that entire philosophy of education," I believe that you are getting yourself a bit far afield.
Ms. Hale was not discriminated against.
She accepted the terms of her employment and possible termination.
She rolled the dice...and lost.

Hey...it took 19 years to catch up with her, so she's got that.

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