Fort Hood Suspect Says Rampage Was To Defend Afghan Taliban Leaders

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“Queen of my domain”

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#1 Jun 5, 2013
This is just unbelievable.

By MANNY FERNANDEZ

KILLEEN, Tex.— Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused of killing 13 people, told a judge on Tuesday that he believed he was defending the lives of the Taliban leadership in Afghanistan from American military personnel when he went on a shooting rampage at Fort Hood here in November 2009.

Major Hasan’s remarks were the first public explanation about the motive for one of the deadliest mass shootings at an American military base. His comments came a day after the judge granted his request to release his court-appointed military lawyers so that he could represent himself.

On Monday, one of Major Hasan’s first legal maneuvers had been to ask the judge, Col. Tara A. Osborn, for a three-month delay in his trial, scheduled to begin on July 1. His primary reason in asking for the delay was to change his defense to a “defense of others.” At a new hearing on Tuesday, Colonel Osborn asked him pointedly whom he was defending.

“The leadership of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, the Taliban,” he said, specifically naming Mullah Muhammad Omar, the founder of the Islamic insurgent group.

His comments, delivered in a soft, matter-of-fact tone, stunned many in the courtroom. Seated in the gallery behind him were Army soldiers, military police officers and relatives of some of his victims. Colonel Osborn then asked him to explain his defense, and Major Hasan asked for a recess to gather his thoughts.

When the hearing resumed a few minutes later, the judge again asked him to explain the facts supporting his defense, and he said he preferred to submit his thoughts in written form.“I don’t want to brainstorm in front of the court,” he told her.

But the judge pressed him further. When she asked if he was defending one person or a group of people, he said it was the group of Taliban leaders in Afghanistan, including Mullah Omar. The judge asked him to explain the connection between the Taliban leaders and the people he is accused of murdering and attempting to murder.

“They’re part of the United States military,” he said.

The judge delayed the start of jury selection, which had been set to begin on Wednesday, to give Major Hasan one day to find the legal authority to apply such a defense to his case. He was ordered to submit a brief to the judge by Wednesday morning, and Army prosecutors were asked to submit their own brief in response. Colonel Osborn did not rule on whether to grant Major Hasan’s request for a delay, but instead set another hearing for Wednesday afternoon to further discuss the “defense of others” issue.

The “defense of others” strategy requires a criminal defendant to prove that he was compelled to use force against an aggressor to protect a person or a group from being harmed or killed by that aggressor. In this case, Major Hasan is claiming that he was protecting Taliban leaders from death by using deadly force against Fort Hood military personnel deploying to Afghanistan.

The defense is not typically used in military trials, and Colonel Osborn seemed to question whether Major Hasan had any facts or evidence to support such a defense.

Military legal experts called his theory ludicrous and said it fell outside the legal parameters of “defense of others” cases. They said that those with a legitimate “defense of others” case must prove that the people being protected were victims of unlawful force and were facing an immediate threat or danger. Those two elements do not apply to the Fort Hood shooting, they said, because Taliban leaders were lawful objects of attack and faced no immediate threat from anyone at Fort Hood that day....

Military law prohibits defendants charged in capital punishment cases from pleading guilty, and it was unlikely that Army prosecutors would drop their pursuit of the death penalty in order for him to plead guilty.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/05/us/fort-hoo...
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#2 Jun 5, 2013
So not workplace violence but a premeditated attack by an enemy infiltrator. I say boil him in a mixture or pork grease and pig sh1t

They want a seventh century world I say give the muslims a seventh century execution.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#3 Jun 5, 2013
What is so unbelievable about it? The guy is nuts.
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#4 Jun 5, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
What is so unbelievable about it? The guy is nuts.
So being a muslim is proof of insanity?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#5 Jun 5, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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So being a muslim is proof of insanity?
No.
Oliver Canterberry

Columbus, OH

#7 Jun 5, 2013
3,000 dead on September 11th, limbs blown off and several dead at the Boston Marathon, thirteen dead at Fort Hood, UK beheading, 72 Black September Attack at the Munich Olympics this is Islam as practiced by Muhammad and Muslims in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somali, Sudan for over a thousand years. This is Islam. Tagyigga is where Muslims are instructed to lie to infidels to further the aims of Sharia but the outcome is always the same.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#8 Jun 6, 2013
I really do not understand how they are still classifying this as workplace violence with his admission of his self proclaimed defense.

Happy that the judge is allowing him to defend himself.

Reader wishes him luck, I do not.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#9 Jun 6, 2013
GlitterSucks wrote:
I really do not understand how they are still classifying this as workplace violence with his admission of his self proclaimed defense.
Happy that the judge is allowing him to defend himself.
Reader wishes him luck, I do not.
Didn't he work there? Why do you care if it is classified as workplace violence?

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#10 Jun 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Didn't he work there? Why do you care if it is classified as workplace violence?
Look it up, not my job to educate you.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#12 Jun 6, 2013
GlitterSucks wrote:
<quoted text>Look it up, not my job to educate you.
How am I supposed to look up why you care whether it is considered workplace violence? Is there a website whyglittersuckscares.com ?

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#13 Jun 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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How am I supposed to look up why you care whether it is considered workplace violence? Is there a website whyglittersuckscares.com ?
I reiterate, educate yourself. Go to school.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#14 Jun 6, 2013
GlitterSucks wrote:
<quoted text>I reiterate, educate yourself. Go to school.
I take it that you don't have an answer for the question. There's a surprise.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#15 Jun 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Didn't he work there? Why do you care if it is classified as workplace violence?
Okay, moron...Lanza had attended Sandy Hook Elementary. We'll call what happened on December 14 an alumni event.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#16 Jun 6, 2013
RU_Kiddingme wrote:
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And how many people have crazy white boys killed in this country? Be sure to include Timothy McVeigh in your calculations and show your work.
Add every mass shooting in US history and the Oklahoma City bombing together and the resulting death toll is less than the number of blacks killed by other blacks in a single year.
You people are animals.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#17 Jun 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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I take it that you don't have an answer for the question. There's a surprise.
So workplace violence is defined as being motivated by religion and with an admission of treason? Please, explain that to us.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#18 Jun 6, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, moron...Lanza had attended Sandy Hook Elementary. We'll call what happened on December 14 an alumni event.
The question was, why does she care. I don't care if you call sandy Hook an alumni event. See how easy that was?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#19 Jun 6, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>So workplace violence is defined as being motivated by religion and with an admission of treason? Please, explain that to us.
The question was why does she care.

But, since you asked, motivation for the violence has nothing to do with whether that violence was "workplace" violence. By definition, the location of the violence is the determining factor, i.e. did it happen at the workplace. A smart person would be able to figure that out all by himself, 3.1.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#21 Jun 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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The question was, why does she care. I don't care if you call sandy Hook an alumni event. See how easy that was?
I care, too. I want a government that tells the truth. I realize that offends you.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#22 Jun 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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The question was why does she care.
But, since you asked, motivation for the violence has nothing to do with whether that violence was "workplace" violence. By definition, the location of the violence is the determining factor, i.e. did it happen at the workplace. A smart person would be able to figure that out all by himself, 3.1.
Then Lanza was attending an alumni event. Thanks for clearing that up.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#23 Jun 6, 2013
RU_Kiddingme wrote:
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You're the one trivializing deaths from mass shootings and you have the nerve to call someone else an animal?
What goes on inside that head of yours?
You seem to have no problem trivializing the 8000 black on black murders we see in this country every year.
And yes...you people are animals. When whites shoot up schools and theaters, they're nuts. Crazy. Lunatics. When you people kill on a daily basis, you're just "keeping it real," or "taking care of business."

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