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Veterans' deaths alter prescribing of pain pills

There are 10 comments on the The Columbus Dispatch story from Sep 29, 2013, titled Veterans' deaths alter prescribing of pain pills. In it, The Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Heather McDonald believes the VA's drug protocols had a role in the accidental overdose of her late husband, Scott McDonald.

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Wait what

Dublin, OH

#1 Sep 29, 2013
It is NOT others' fault if a patient takes too much of a prescribed drug. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that too much of a good thing can kill you, particularly if combined with alcohol. Stop punishing responsible folks with chronic illnesses by legislation which curbs availability for a time when it is needed. Having said that, antidepressants are way overprescribed and can affect one's mental capacity in a negative way. Why isn't there attention on that? Why isn't there some kind of an article which shows just how many are automatically prescribed an antidepressant because they are diagnosed with some kind of illness? And why isn't the correlation between worsening depression and antidepressants considered here? Why focus on just the pain medicine?
They cannot kill a Spook

Detroit, MI

#2 Sep 29, 2013
Wait what wrote:
It is NOT others' fault if a patient takes too much of a prescribed drug. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that too much of a good thing can kill you, particularly if combined with alcohol. Stop punishing responsible folks with chronic illnesses by legislation which curbs availability for a time when it is needed. Having said that, antidepressants are way overprescribed and can affect one's mental capacity in a negative way. Why isn't there attention on that? Why isn't there some kind of an article which shows just how many are automatically prescribed an antidepressant because they are diagnosed with some kind of illness? And why isn't the correlation between worsening depression and antidepressants considered here? Why focus on just the pain medicine?
How about Statins? They will eventually destroy the liver, kidneys, and pancreas.
They go after pain killers because they have street value and the the government doesn't get a cut.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#3 Sep 29, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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How about Statins? They will eventually destroy the liver, kidneys, and pancreas.
They go after pain killers because they have street value and the the government doesn't get a cut.
Good point, street value.

A problem with PTSD and especially this newest crop of veterans is that they are not getting the supervised care they need. The VA is backlogged and care doesn't seem to be coordinated as well as it should be. The guys we are seeing now, from Iraq and Afghanistan, really and truly are the first generation to absolutely be recognized as suffering from PTSD. Not only do they need the meds, they need to have those meds tightly supervised and they corresponding therapy. The therapy itself is in short supply, the VA doesn't have the coverage it needs to also supervise the treatment well. Veterans will use the VA because it is lower cost to them than using another venue (if another venue is available, such as an employer insurance).
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#4 Sep 29, 2013
General Patton knew how to handle malingerers.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#5 Sep 29, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Good point, street value.
A problem with PTSD and especially this newest crop of veterans is that they are not getting the supervised care they need. The VA is backlogged and care doesn't seem to be coordinated as well as it should be. The guys we are seeing now, from Iraq and Afghanistan, really and truly are the first generation to absolutely be recognized as suffering from PTSD. Not only do they need the meds, they need to have those meds tightly supervised and they corresponding therapy. The therapy itself is in short supply, the VA doesn't have the coverage it needs to also supervise the treatment well. Veterans will use the VA because it is lower cost to them than using another venue (if another venue is available, such as an employer insurance).
Too bad there isn't a segment of the country that wants to try to expand medical care to more and more people who currently are shut out.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#6 Sep 29, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Too bad there isn't a segment of the country that wants to try to expand medical care to more and more people who currently are shut out.
Too bad you don't know what you're talking about here. You come here only to incite argument. Read up on the Veteran's Administration and PTSD with the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans first, then come back and attempt an informed and polite discussion.

A lot of these guys often remain employed in the defense sector or are still in the Reserves/Gaurd, therefore they are still eligible for TriCare or their military benefits. Therefore, they use their military benefits, which means going through the military system first for them. If not, it means a hefty copay or non-coverage. These guys would not be covered under Obamacare. Obamacare would actually put these guys at a disadvantage.

Those that are employed post-discharge in the private sector often have their own insurance. They often avoid treatment at the VA because of the bureaucracy and long waits. Going to their employer may mean lower coverage, higher co pays. Unfortunately, mental health care will basically remain the same with Obamacare. You do realize most mental health care is often covered only at 50%, right? There is nothing that will change that right now, even Obamacare, which is just "exchanges" and choices of coverage levels. The ACA has really no effect on VA benefits.

Too bad there are folks out there like you who don't think. Just react. Without thought or reason.

http://statesidelegal.org/how-does-affordable...
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#7 Sep 29, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Too bad you don't know what you're talking about here. You come here only to incite argument. Read up on the Veteran's Administration and PTSD with the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans first, then come back and attempt an informed and polite discussion.
A lot of these guys often remain employed in the defense sector or are still in the Reserves/Gaurd, therefore they are still eligible for TriCare or their military benefits. Therefore, they use their military benefits, which means going through the military system first for them. If not, it means a hefty copay or non-coverage. These guys would not be covered under Obamacare. Obamacare would actually put these guys at a disadvantage.
Those that are employed post-discharge in the private sector often have their own insurance. They often avoid treatment at the VA because of the bureaucracy and long waits. Going to their employer may mean lower coverage, higher co pays. Unfortunately, mental health care will basically remain the same with Obamacare. You do realize most mental health care is often covered only at 50%, right? There is nothing that will change that right now, even Obamacare, which is just "exchanges" and choices of coverage levels. The ACA has really no effect on VA benefits.
Too bad there are folks out there like you who don't think. Just react. Without thought or reason.
http://statesidelegal.org/how-does-affordable...
Providing a list of obstacles to care is not a good argument against policies designed to remove those obstacles.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#8 Sep 29, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Providing a list of obstacles to care is not a good argument against policies designed to remove those obstacles.
You aren't understanding what you are talking about.

Did I not say Obamacare does not cover these guys for the most part? The federal budget is the issue at hand, dense one.

The VA is responsible. Read. Your self-professed brilliance lights the room like a 10 watt bulb.

http://www.vba.va.gov/reports/mmwr/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rebeccaruiz/2013/...
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#9 Sep 29, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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You aren't understanding what you are talking about.
Did I not say Obamacare does not cover these guys for the most part? The federal budget is the issue at hand, dense one.
The VA is responsible. Read. Your self-professed brilliance lights the room like a 10 watt bulb.
http://www.vba.va.gov/reports/mmwr/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rebeccaruiz/2013/...
You can't think beyond the most basic level. You have no ability to recognize how abstract concepts relate to each other and therefore impact the topic that you are attempting to discuss. I feel sorry for you.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#10 Sep 29, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You can't think beyond the most basic level. You have no ability to recognize how abstract concepts relate to each other and therefore impact the topic that you are attempting to discuss. I feel sorry for you.
You haven't backed up your assertion. I really don't care about you, you seem to come here only to fill your need for negativity. Back up what you say, add to the conversation, or leave. Show up, show your stuff, lawyer. I don't think you can provide a reasonable discussion here or anywhere. You're a timid wallowing hole of delusion, feeding off your hopes you'll intimidate and hurt someone else.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."--Theodore Roosevelt.

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