The “right” to healthcare does not require a doctor to work for free

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Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#1 Nov 25, 2012
November 23, 2012 1:25 pm by Kevin Smith MD

After the election, a lot of people are excited that they can now get healthcare. Or maybe not quite yet, but by 2014, when ObamaCare is fully implemented.

The only problem is that healthcare is not like an Obama phone. The phones are all made by a standard process in a factory, probably in China, and they usually work.

You can use them to call a healthcare provider. But you usually get the ’if this is an emergency, hang up and dial 911,’ followed by the phone menu.

How will this change with ObamaCare? Doesn’t that give you a right to care?
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Whenever someone tells me about the “right” to healthcare, I ask,“From whom? From me?” This question exposes this “right” for the robbery and slavery that it is. Take it to the next step. Do you really want to exercise your “right” to healthcare on a physician who doesn’t want any part of this bargain? What kind of care do you think you’ll receive?

Years ago, I stopped doing cardiac anesthesia, because well over half of the patients were ’covered’ by Medicare and payment to me for my services was well below what I thought acceptable ($285 for my last 6-hour cardiac anesthetic). Soon thereafter I stopped my dealings with Medicare (and Medicaid) altogether as I increasingly saw myself as the recipient of money taken from my neighbors against their will. As an aside, the angriest patients I’ve ever encountered were the Medicare patients I subsequently treated with no charge whatsoever. My providing charitable care elicited patient rage like none I’ve encountered since.

About two weeks after I quit, an angry cardiac surgeon, inconvenienced by my departure from the group of available cardiac anesthesiologists and with his finger in my face, told me that he was going to see to it that I was forced to do these anesthetics, so as not to disrupt his schedule. I guess he thought he had a “right” to my services.

It didn’t help things that I laughed. I said,’Dr. X, I’ll be happy to visit with the family before their loved one’s elective surgery and inform them that I want no part of this and that I don’t really want to be here, but someone is making me do this. Maybe you all would like to wait for an anesthesiologist who wants to be part of this, because I certainly don’t.’

This cardiac surgeon suddenly understood. Now imagine this on a large scale. Angry mobs of folks waving their ObamaCare ’insurance’ cards in the street demanding their free healthcare outside a closed and vacant doctor’s office.

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#2 Nov 25, 2012
That is what Obamacare is: an insurance card. Come 2014, you’ll have to certify to the IRS that you have such a card, one that is acceptable to the government. Or else you’ll have to pay the government for the ’choice’ to not have insurance: a minimum of $95 at first, climbing to $695 in a few years.

So keep that ObamaCare card handy. Either you or the taxpayers will have paid maybe $15,000 a year for it. Or it is very likely to be a Medicaid card. You’ll need the card when you call the healthcare provider. If you make it through the phone menu, your insurance number will likely be the first question you will be asked. This will tell what type of care you are eligible to receive and from whom, and how much the provider will be paid.

It is likely that the provider will not be a physician. The physician you might eventually see will not be working for you. He’ll be working for an ObamaCare Accountable Care Organization, which is paid for not providing care.

If too many doctors quit, the government might try to make them work. But will your doctor still care if you point a gun at him? The fear of having to see such a doctor may be the great new incentive for ’wellness.’

Read more: http://medcitynews.com/2012/11/one-persons-ri...

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#4 Nov 25, 2012
Circular Firing Squad wrote:
More stale dung from Cleavette's manger.
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Just plastic, fake intellectualism from an inmate.
Your envy is noted, but it's growing tiresome.
notlocal

AOL

#5 Nov 25, 2012
Circular Firing Squad wrote:
More stale dung from Cleavette's manger.
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Just plastic, fake intellectualism from an inmate.
You better educate yourself about Obamacare. Everything he has posted is true and there is more you should know.
Obamacare will drastically reduce the quality and amount of healthcare while costing a literal fortune we don't have.
Maybe universal health care is something that should be implemented sometime down the road, but not at this time, and this legislation is not it.
And it really doesn't matter what administration had come up with it. It was written too quickly, without experts and is just too expensive.
Circular Firing Squad

Columbus, OH

#6 Nov 25, 2012
Free condoms and free birth control for my hookers. I'm good.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#8 Nov 25, 2012
Circular Firing Squad wrote:
Free condoms and free birth control for my hookers. I'm good.
Glad you got yours, since the Democrats have announced - surprise!- that Medicare and Medicaid cuts will be necessary to avoid the fiscal cliff. At least the Republicans were honest about it.
notlocal

AOL

#10 Nov 25, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Not to mention gas prices conveniently going UP, and your EBT card getting cut $50 .....
Conveniently announced after the election.
Hi, Bob. Yes, lots of news after the election.

The printing of 40 BILLION a month to buy up worthless mortgages is what worries me most. Not that there's not a lot to worry about.

The administration did that very quietly around 9/11/12 when the Benghazi was in full sound.

40 Billion a month with NOTHING to back it up is going to create massive inflation, which I am already seeing.

Won't it be great when your dollar is worth a dime? They stop the fiscal cliff, we're still doomed by inflation and debt.

Sorry, this thread is about Obama-scare.
Dumb Liberal Troll

Wellington, OH

#12 Nov 25, 2012
Thousand Rays of Dumbness wrote:
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You poop swallowers are such paranoids.
You are aware that Rush Limbaugh and FauxNews lie frequently, right??????
Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews make me moist, the truth they tell is just orgasmic!

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#13 Nov 26, 2012
notlocal wrote:
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You better educate yourself about Obamacare. Everything he has posted is true and there is more you should know.
Obamacare will drastically reduce the quality and amount of healthcare while costing a literal fortune we don't have.
Maybe universal health care is something that should be implemented sometime down the road, but not at this time, and this legislation is not it.
And it really doesn't matter what administration had come up with it. It was written too quickly, without experts and is just too expensive.
I think you'll need stages between the current system and universal healthcare, to make the concepts and processes less scary for people within the system. After 4 years (or 8?) of a government administered healthcare program that doesn't result in death panels or civil war I imagine it'll be easier to take the next step forward into more meaningful reform.

Looking at the level of panic and the conspiracy theories floating around for just this smaller level healthcare mandate, I don't think that Americans are going to be able to handle more significant movement towards an effective single payer or universal system for some time yet.
Karl

Wellington, OH

#14 Nov 26, 2012
tranpsosition wrote:
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I think you'll need stages between the current system and universal healthcare, to make the concepts and processes less scary for people within the system. After 4 years (or 8?) of a government administered healthcare program that doesn't result in death panels or civil war I imagine it'll be easier to take the next step forward into more meaningful reform.
Looking at the level of panic and the conspiracy theories floating around for just this smaller level healthcare mandate, I don't think that Americans are going to be able to handle more significant movement towards an effective single payer or universal system for some time yet.
The UK is considered to have one of Europe's worst healthcare systems.

Dude, the FRENCH, are considered to have a better system.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8201711.stm

(Yes I know it doesn't back everything I am for, but it does make it clear that the UK's system sucks)

And death panels actually do exist in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/...

Livepool care pathway...
VADoc

Aiken, SC

#15 Nov 26, 2012
I remember trying to explain to others who are not healthcare workers what Obamacare is essentially doing which is forcing medical providers to work as slaves and slash our pay. They want our expertise but they don't want to pay for it. They think a physician should be making sub 100k a year with massive student loan debt and be happy to live in servitude. People like reader think this is ok. All of you who favor Obamacare I ask you, if the government walked into your workplace today and said "you're now all paid 50% less per hour from now on" what would you do? You would be furious. Union members would take to the streets with pitchforks and torches. MSNBC would be broadcasting that these slave masters must be destroyed.
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Because it's healthcare and healthcare is a "right" now, no one cares about the rights of those providing your care. I think the Walmart argument works for healthcare under Obamacare. I've seen many of you far left folks on here say the reason Walmart employees behave so poorly is because of how they are paid and treated. Ok if we go by your theory then I can't wait to see physicians who could give two squirts of piss if you get tests done you need or care if you get your life saving surgery. Or how about nurses that could care less if they use sterile technique? Healthcare providers are human too. We get burnout. We get annoyed by patients. We get angry too. So do you really want to piss off the guy with the scalpel or the nurse who is giving you a catheter?

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