NBC: Leftist suggests death panels

NBC: Leftist suggests death panels

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#1 Mar 6, 2013
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/201...

Sarah Palin...unfairly targeted???

Sure looks like it...

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#2 Mar 6, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/k yle-drennen/2013/03/06/nbc-pan el-frets-over-health-care-cost s-treat-elderly-woman-denied-c pr
Sarah Palin...unfairly targeted???
Sure looks like it...
Absolutely predictable. But not so if it were Maxine Waters. Then it would be 'wise and benevolent.'

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#3 Mar 6, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Absolutely predictable. But not so if it were Maxine Waters. Then it would be 'wise and benevolent.'
Liverpool pathway...

Tranposition doesn't like talking about that, because the panels really do exist in the UK.

Palin has regrettably been politically destroyed by the media via her blame for the Tucson shootings.

But she was right.

Someone else must be found to carry the message, and win at the ballot box.

Because the day is coming when we will go straight from jury to cartridge.

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#4 Mar 6, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Liverpool pathway...
Tranposition doesn't like talking about that, because the panels really do exist in the UK.
Palin has regrettably been politically destroyed by the media via her blame for the Tucson shootings.
But she was right.
Someone else must be found to carry the message, and win at the ballot box.
Because the day is coming when we will go straight from jury to cartridge.
I wrote a long reply about the care of the elderly, but I don't think it's going to post.

Suffice it to say,'a society is judged on the way it cares for it's elders.'

That is a cause I will gladly take up.

To the family that are 'satsified' that their mother died on a floor without them there, I hope they meet the same demise.

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#5 Mar 6, 2013
Be nice to your kids... and maybe they'll put you in a GOOD home.

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#6 Mar 6, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
Be nice to your kids... and maybe they'll put you in a GOOD home.
Your parents belong in their own home. If that's not possible, they belong in yours. It's the best job you'll ever have and you'll lay your head down every night knowing you did the right thing. Accept now that at some point, your parents will be living and dying, with you, or in their own home with the best arragements you and your sibilings can work out.

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#7 Mar 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Your parents belong in their own home. If that's not possible, they belong in yours. It's the best job you'll ever have and you'll lay your head down every night knowing you did the right thing. Accept now that at some point, your parents will be living and dying, with you, or in their own home with the best arragements you and your sibilings can work out.
I agree. My father spent his last months in my home, and my mother will too (if not in a sibling's home). But unfortunately many 'kids' today don't share that sentiment.
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#8 Mar 7, 2013
I think it is a great idea! Dr. Kevorkian would be proud.

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#9 Mar 7, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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I agree. My father spent his last months in my home, and my mother will too (if not in a sibling's home). But unfortunately many 'kids' today don't share that sentiment.
Respect to you, Ton. I am truly blessed that I was with both of my parents when they passed and they both died in their home.

To me it is obscene the amount of elderly warehoused into homes and the 'kids' visit once on Sunday or on holidays,'doing their duty.'

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#10 Mar 7, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
I think it is a great idea! Dr. Kevorkian would be proud.
Oh, Johnson. We're taking you to a taxidermist to be stuffed and 'mounted.' snicker

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#11 Mar 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Your parents belong in their own home. If that's not possible, they belong in yours. It's the best job you'll ever have and you'll lay your head down every night knowing you did the right thing. Accept now that at some point, your parents will be living and dying, with you, or in their own home with the best arragements you and your sibilings can work out.
What do you do when your Alzheimer's parent comes at you with a butcher knife at 3 a.m.?

What do you do when your elderly sister goes to the bathroom every 10-20 minutes, 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, and pees on the floor every third time?

And there are many, many, many other variations.

Yeah, keeping them in your home is great if YOU can handle it.

Until you've been through the relatives that are literally a living hell, you better shut your trap.

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#12 Mar 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Liverpool pathway...
Tranposition doesn't like talking about that, because the panels really do exist in the UK.
Palin has regrettably been politically destroyed by the media via her blame for the Tucson shootings.
But she was right.
Someone else must be found to carry the message, and win at the ballot box.
Because the day is coming when we will go straight from jury to cartridge.
Death panels have existed for decades in this country. They're called insurance companies.

You're beginning to get pretty violent out here. All this talk about acting as judge, jury, and executioner shows what moral compass you don't have.

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#13 Mar 7, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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What do you do when your Alzheimer's parent comes at you with a butcher knife at 3 a.m.?
What do you do when your elderly sister goes to the bathroom every 10-20 minutes, 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, and pees on the floor every third time?
And there are many, many, many other variations.
Yeah, keeping them in your home is great if YOU can handle it.
Until you've been through the relatives that are literally a living hell, you better shut your trap.
I have been there. I do know what I'm talking about. And I'd do it all over again happily.

Yes, they have accidents, don't always understand, require attention and, you might as well accept, they are going to have falls. You learn to cope and they are still better off at home. And you're better off having them with you.

Do you think you were a joy to raise? You never peed on anything? Broke anything? Kept your parents up at night?

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#14 Mar 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Your parents belong in their own home. If that's not possible, they belong in yours. It's the best job you'll ever have and you'll lay your head down every night knowing you did the right thing. Accept now that at some point, your parents will be living and dying, with you, or in their own home with the best arragements you and your sibilings can work out.
We had to go through this with mom.

Before a lot of things happening, I would have agreed 100% with you.

But after experiencing mom's constants falls (the last, a fracture of the C3 vertebra) and her increasing dementia and decreased mobility, I've come to the conclusion it's not always for the best for them to stay in their own homes or with a child. We're a "sandwich" generation--still often caring for our own children or spouses and then caring for elderly parents. Sometimes, our resources are too thin in those situations. Also may require a lot of paid help to be brought in if kept at home--and someone to monitor meds, therapies, etc. Between my sisters and I, we just weren't able to have mom live with us--one is in Cali, mom would not have withstood that big of a shift nor the travel there; I have steep stairs/townhouse arrangement, mom had NO mobility and became wheelchair bound; my older sister has a husband with mobility issues himself. We kept mom in her own home as long as possible, then moved her to assisted living with supervision for meds/treatments, and then when the dementia got too bad, she had to be placed in a skilled nursing facility for the last 7 or 8 months of her life.

As lovely an idea it would be if we could have done it, sadly, I've come to think it's not always possible.

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#15 Mar 7, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Death panels have existed for decades in this country. They're called insurance companies.
You're beginning to get pretty violent out here. All this talk about acting as judge, jury, and executioner shows what moral compass you don't have.
"Punish our enemies"

"They bring a knife, we bring a gun"

Barack Obama

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#16 Mar 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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I have been there. I do know what I'm talking about. And I'd do it all over again happily.
Yes, they have accidents, don't always understand, require attention and, you might as well accept, they are going to have falls. You learn to cope and they are still better off at home. And you're better off having them with you.
Do you think you were a joy to raise? You never peed on anything? Broke anything? Kept your parents up at night?
Congratulations on your sainthood.

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#17 Mar 7, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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We had to go through this with mom.
Before a lot of things happening, I would have agreed 100% with you.
But after experiencing mom's constants falls (the last, a fracture of the C3 vertebra) and her increasing dementia and decreased mobility, I've come to the conclusion it's not always for the best for them to stay in their own homes or with a child. We're a "sandwich" generation--still often caring for our own children or spouses and then caring for elderly parents. Sometimes, our resources are too thin in those situations. Also may require a lot of paid help to be brought in if kept at home--and someone to monitor meds, therapies, etc. Between my sisters and I, we just weren't able to have mom live with us--one is in Cali, mom would not have withstood that big of a shift nor the travel there; I have steep stairs/townhouse arrangement, mom had NO mobility and became wheelchair bound; my older sister has a husband with mobility issues himself. We kept mom in her own home as long as possible, then moved her to assisted living with supervision for meds/treatments, and then when the dementia got too bad, she had to be placed in a skilled nursing facility for the last 7 or 8 months of her life.
As lovely an idea it would be if we could have done it, sadly, I've come to think it's not always possible.
I'm so sorry for you all. You did good. Sounds like your mother had made up her mind too, and I truly think they do just make up their minds. When it becomes dangerous for them to be at home, or they have completely no recognition of anyone or anything, I suppose a medical facility is best.

It's like kids. You learn as you go along.

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#18 Mar 7, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Congratulations on your sainthood.
Thank you. I accept your congrats with all of the sincerity with which you send them.

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#19 Mar 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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I'm so sorry for you all. You did good. Sounds like your mother had made up her mind too, and I truly think they do just make up their minds. When it becomes dangerous for them to be at home, or they have completely no recognition of anyone or anything, I suppose a medical facility is best.
It's like kids. You learn as you go along.
Yup. You learn as you go.

I think it can boil down to someone actually outliving their body, if that makes sense. Mom probably did--body was immobile, mind was not fully functional. Sometimes those end of life issues just can't be managed at home.

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