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d pantz

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09 /17/science/the-rational-choic es-of-crack-addicts.html?_r=0
If someone you know or love has the disease, here's something to think about, even if you're married to them.
woof
what part of that ridiculous nonsense are you referring to? That there is a 90 percent chance they won't be an addict for life? Go figure the legal system hurts people more than the drugs.
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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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uuhhh, no dude...addiction is a physiological disease, whether you wish it to be or not. Key word: disease.
Lots of people function with it until they die from something else. Lots of people don't.
woof
the article is about cocaine, which is physically addictive, just like alcohol and nicotine. Whether you continue to talk out of your ass or not.
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Duke has his weed habit mixed up with cocaine and alcohol addiction. No pun intended.

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Spooktackular kcus sllotr wrote:
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No such thing as a casual crack user
They will smoke crack and keep smoking it until they run out of crack or money. Running out of money just slows them because they will steal suck and phuqqq to get more until all the crack is smoked.
I have seen concrete finishers, painters, landscapers, take their entire pay and smoke it coming back to work on monday with no gas money, kids without food etc and work until the next pay and do it over again
That is not casual crack smoking. The only reason they came to work is to get more money for crack. If there was a dump trucl load of 20 tons of crack on Friday instead of a.paycheck they would smoke it all.
Thanks, I had been wasting my time reading the research. Next time I will come straight to the source for your folky, down home wisdom and skip all them book writins by them fellars with the letters after their names.
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d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> the article is about cocaine, which is physically addictive, just like alcohol and nicotine. Whether you continue to talk out of your ass or not.
No, panty boy, I know exactly what I'm talking about. There are reasons why certain people are much more highly at risk of developing the disease of addiction than others, regardless of which drug(s) are involved.

Some of it is genetics, some not.

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I was actually reading a paper last year about casual users of crack cocaine and long term health and wellness outlooks when paired with cocine use.
It was really interesting, looking at it alongside the newer results for crack babies and the historical health and long term outlooks that we had ascribed to weed during the ramp up to ban it.
Did you see the great study on rats, addiction and environmental stimulation? It's fairly interesting if you're into the medical side and willing to miss out on the greater culture bits and bobs to focus on the sweet, sweet science.
too bad the FDA doesn't test new pharmaceuticals that thoroughly. Though humans with violent pasts that 1st person shooter video games make great lab rats, huh? Btw you spelled cocaine wrong.
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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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No, panty boy, I know exactly what I'm talking about. There are reasons why certain people are much more highly at risk of developing the disease of addiction than others, regardless of which drug(s) are involved.
Some of it is genetics, some not.
woof
um, no coaine is physically addictive more than it is mentally. That's a fact and if you deny it you are trying to climb the shit rope, bubbles. What's wrong can't defend yourself? f****d if you can't smoke and swear Ricky?
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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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No, panty boy, I know exactly what I'm talking about. There are reasons why certain people are much more highly at risk of developing the disease of addiction than others, regardless of which drug(s) are involved.
Some of it is genetics, some not.
woof
genetic? Isn't a receptor gene that causes that? Feel your hands slipping on that rope? http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addict...
It all makes you more susceptible to becoming physically addictive, or less susceptible (to drugs that are physically addictive). It has next to nothing to do with your Psyche. Almost like being allergic just way more dangerous.
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Sep 19, 2013
 
" Occupations sort relatively neatly along the lines of marijuana versus cocaine use. The short of it is that marijuana use is more positively associated with science (.35), education (.38), artistic professions (.35), and engineering and architecture (.29), while cocaine use is positively associated with lawyers (.41) and, to a lesser extent, with business and finance occupations (.27), computer jobs (.25), and management fields (.26)."
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A crack head starting a thread about his addiction problems, making excuses for himself??

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Sep 19, 2013
 
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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No, panty boy, I know exactly what I'm talking about. There are reasons why certain people are much more highly at risk of developing the disease of addiction than others, regardless of which drug(s) are involved.
Some of it is genetics, some not.
woof
I've never tried any of that junk except for marijuana, years ago. From what junkies tell me, crack and meth addiction comes purely from experimentation. Heroin addiction comes from addiction to painkillers. Doctors cut off the supply, they get their opiates somewhere else.
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d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> um, no coaine is physically addictive more than it is mentally. That's a fact and if you deny it you are trying to climb the shit rope, bubbles. What's wrong can't defend yourself? f****d if you can't smoke and swear Ricky?
Drug Addiction produces a (say it with me panty boy) PHYSIOLOGICAL change in the brain, and is influenced by biological (genetic),social, cultural, and psychological factors, regardless of the drug involved.

That statement is true no matter the degree of physical/psychological addictiveness of one drug compared to another.

The study conducted by the Dr. in the story at the start of this thread purportedly demonstrates that despite the highly addictive nature of cocaine, long term coke addicts with no intention of terminating their use surprisingly could choose to limit their use when offered monetary incentives that they would not receive until weeks later.

You go ahead and read something into the conclusions that isn't there, if you wish.

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rowdy01 wrote:
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I've never tried any of that junk except for marijuana, years ago. From what junkies tell me, crack and meth addiction comes purely from experimentation. Heroin addiction comes from addiction to painkillers. Doctors cut off the supply, they get their opiates somewhere else.
Welcome to the heroin/opiate epidemic in Ohio, brought to you by those nice people at Purdue Pharma.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-12-30...

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013...

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Welcome to the heroin/opiate epidemic in Ohio, brought to you by those nice people at Purdue Pharma.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-12-30...
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013...
woof
The blame more properly belongs to the medical profession a quarter century ago which demanded these drugs for palliative care and to the FDA for lack of oversight. And let's not forget the sleazy bottom of the barrel MDs who wrote Oxy scripts of all kinds for years before Purdue came along...generics like Roxicet. Oxycodone was simply the progression of that culture. Unfortunately, it can be "hyped" by crushing the tablet and neutralizing the extended release coating.
Bottom line, Big Pharma was simply responding to the market.
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Sep 19, 2013
 
Diamond Eugene wrote:
<quoted text>The blame more properly belongs to the medical profession a quarter century ago which demanded these drugs for palliative care and to the FDA for lack of oversight. And let's not forget the sleazy bottom of the barrel MDs who wrote Oxy scripts of all kinds for years before Purdue came along...generics like Roxicet. Oxycodone was simply the progression of that culture. Unfortunately, it can be "hyped" by crushing the tablet and neutralizing the extended release coating.
Bottom line, Big Pharma was simply responding to the market.
So when Purdue, pushing for FDA approval, purposefully minimized the degree of addictive qualities of their drugs by actively hiding the quantitative data during the approval process, they were merely "responding to the market" in a benevolent fashion, with the greater good of society in mind?

Sure thing, Paco.

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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So when Purdue, pushing for FDA approval, purposefully minimized the degree of addictive qualities of their drugs by actively hiding the quantitative data during the approval process, they were merely "responding to the market" in a benevolent fashion, with the greater good of society in mind?
Sure thing, Paco.
woof
Many palliative care patients and their families would say yes.
Narcotics are like guns and cars, douche...any damage they do is the fault of the humans who control them.
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Diamond Eugene wrote:
<quoted text>Many palliative care patients and their families would say yes.
Narcotics are like guns and cars, douche...any damage they do is the fault of the humans who control them.
Uhh..no Paco....that's simply not a true statement.

Read the WAPO story. Those opiates were presented to the FDA as having extremely low risks of addictive risks when they were initially approved for palliative care.

That was an outright falsehood.

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Drug Addiction produces a (say it with me panty boy) PHYSIOLOGICAL change in the brain, and is influenced by biological (genetic),social, cultural, and psychological factors, regardless of the drug involved.
That statement is true no matter the degree of physical/psychological addictiveness of one drug compared to another.
The study conducted by the Dr. in the story at the start of this thread purportedly demonstrates that despite the highly addictive nature of cocaine, long term coke addicts with no intention of terminating their use surprisingly could choose to limit their use when offered monetary incentives that they would not receive until weeks later.
You go ahead and read something into the conclusions that isn't there, if you wish.
woof
not what I'm doing at all. Just sayin that with drugs such as cocaine or heroin, the physical addiction is what drives most people to keep using. The study sounds like junk to me in my opinion.
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A s**t leopard can't change its spots, as always.
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Sep 20, 2013
 
Goes to show that people can self medicate and the only real detrimental side effect are laws that big pharma lobbyists put in for all their lawyer buddies to get rich off of people misery. Bunch of shitlers and this thread starts with the biggest one on topix crying shit wolf.

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