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I hate making payments of any kind. They said it will establish credit....I have A1 credit. But financed it anyway!
Well after the second payment , it was driving me nuts so I paid It off. Aaaaah! What a relief.
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The problem is a lot of people don't live within their means, and they end up in debt, because they had to have IT yesterday. I noticed that the generations don't know how to sacrifice. They have now what took our parents years to work for to get.
I know there's inflation but I can't rest if I owe anything to anyone, but the kids today think. nothing of charging and making payments. Oy!
I think that kind of behavior is ingrained in the upbringing. My parents always stressed to pay your bills first and foremost. I can remember my father teaching me about the law of diminishing returns. For a relatively younger person, I've managed not to have any debt except for the loan I took out when I got my second degree. I drove my car until it wasn't worth putting money into anymore and just recently bought my second car. Other than a mortgage which I share, a very small car payment thanks to the down payment I put down, and my school loan, I have no debt. But that's because that's how I was raised. I remember going to school with kids whose parents would buy them expensive prom dresses, shoes, the latest trends but their house payments would be behind or they never vacationed or had any money to do anything else. I believe kids learn financial responsibility from their parents. Or at least they should.
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Real Tea Party wrote:
In business it does not make sense to pay higher salary to individuals with so called "years of service" when you can hire someone off college for much cheaper price tag. Some may argue the experience factor but there is no direct correlation between years of service and working skill, say after 5-10 years.
Why should I pay 3 times of a salary to someone with 20+ years when I can hire 3 guys with 5 years of experience?
That clueless icon, that someone put on your post....Is spot on.

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Sep 8, 2013
 
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I think that kind of behavior is ingrained in the upbringing. My parents always stressed to pay your bills first and foremost. I can remember my father teaching me about the law of diminishing returns. For a relatively younger person, I've managed not to have any debt except for the loan I took out when I got my second degree. I drove my car until it wasn't worth putting money into anymore and just recently bought my second car. Other than a mortgage which I share, a very small car payment thanks to the down payment I put down, and my school loan, I have no debt. But that's because that's how I was raised. I remember going to school with kids whose parents would buy them expensive prom dresses, shoes, the latest trends but their house payments would be behind or they never vacationed or had any money to do anything else. I believe kids learn financial responsibility from their parents. Or at least they should.
I totally agree.Kids live what they learn.
With ins skyrocketing, companies want to pay out less, so that's why they want the younger crowd in. The turnover is much greater than years ago. They don't want to pay pensions, Ins, etc. anymore.
People used to start at a co and be there foreer...not anymore. They either " downsize" or find a reason for dismissal, for a person nearing retirement..it's the great American screw.

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Sep 8, 2013
 
^^^^be there forever^^^^^
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If you have a good skill or education that is in demand at will employment doesn't scare you one damn bit. Now if you have no major skills or education then at will means you aren't safe in your job unless you stand out and are hard working and go above and beyond.
My wife and I have had no issues living in right to work states. It tends to keep the slackers out of the good jobs.
yeah but if you already have vacation time, know people there, lived really close, etc. then it still sucks. Especially if your insurance runs out.
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I can see the benefit of a worker with 5-10, even 15 years of experience so it costs less to train them over a rookie so to speak. But someone who is over 50 yr old and pay him more than a guy with 10-15 does not make business sense. There is no significant improvement on experience after 10 years really on any skill trade. Plus they get sick and less healthier so the premium goes up on employer.

Nothing personal, just business. Some of these baby boomers take things for granted think they own our tax because they have 30 years of work, blah blah blah. Imagine in the NFL if we pay players based on their age rather than their skills, who does that?
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With the way most people work nowadays, many younger people do not stay in those positions for very long, so you may risk losing money and qualified people by hiring younger people. Someone who has worked for a company for longer may be making more money, but they are knowledgeable and will likely remain with the company for a lot longer, meaning you won't have to train new people which could slow down production, and also bringing younger people into the company means they will likely have young children to add to their insurance whereas an older person may have children out of the house already. Not to mention younger workers may have to take days off of work to care for their children. There are a lot of pros to keeping the old dogs, so to speak.
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That clueless icon, that someone put on your post....Is spot on.
Good, you should agree with me more often, makes you smarter.

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Pr Jonah wrote:
So. HR comes in and fires 5, and leaves 4 to run the office. Then, the corporation shuts down whole offices in three other major cities and redirects their customers to be serviced by the 4 remaining souls who still have a job in the Columbus office.
Well, that's not very nice.
Companies aren't run for your convenience. They're run to make goods or provide services. If they're experiencing a financial downturn, this happens. Get another job.
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Sep 8, 2013
 
Pr Jonah wrote:
So. HR comes in and fires 5, and leaves 4 to run the office. Then, the corporation shuts down whole offices in three other major cities and redirects their customers to be serviced by the 4 remaining souls who still have a job in the Columbus office.
Well, that's not very nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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<quoted text> Get another job.
no shyte Sherlock! After you file for unemployment. And good luck finding one that won't be gone in another couple of years. The federal government does give corporations some corporate welfare $ to stay in the states. The problem is they pay them to move south to the "right to work states" which have lower wages.

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d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> no shyte Sherlock! After you file for unemployment. And good luck finding one that won't be gone in another couple of years. The federal government does give corporations some corporate welfare $ to stay in the states. The problem is they pay them to move south to the "right to work states" which have lower wages.
Agreed. I don't have a problem with folks moving on every few years, if they can find something equal to or better than what they've previously had. Corps aren't committed to employees like they once were, and private pensions are a thing of the past. Best you can do is negotiate a decent salary and ensure you leverage any 401K options available.

Also need to remember the cost of living and the cost of business, in general, is lower in the south. Taxes here and particularly in places like New York or Cali are way too high for a lot of small businesses to consider investing in areas like that.
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Agreed. I don't have a problem with folks moving on every few years, if they can find something equal to or better than what they've previously had. Corps aren't committed to employees like they once were, and private pensions are a thing of the past. Best you can do is negotiate a decent salary and ensure you leverage any 401K options available.
Also need to remember the cost of living and the cost of business, in general, is lower in the south. Taxes here and particularly in places like New York or Cali are way too high for a lot of small businesses to consider investing in areas like that.
I think he/she was being somewhat sarcastic.
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Real Tea Party wrote:
In business it does not make sense to pay higher salary to individuals with so called "years of service" when you can hire someone off college for much cheaper price tag. Some may argue the experience factor but there is no direct correlation between years of service and working skill, say after 5-10 years.
Why should I pay 3 times of a salary to someone with 20+ years when I can hire 3 guys with 5 years of experience?
One thing that invariably shines through: The older worker has a stronger work ethic most of the time. Additionally, they don't need time off for family things because they are empty nesters and can focus on their job. They generally are more agreeable to following the rules, and don't expect entitlements. They've been through too much in their lives for that, as they now understand how the world really works. I guess it depends upon your priorities and what you want for your business.

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Companies aren't run for your convenience. They're run to make goods or provide services. If they're experiencing a financial downturn, this happens. Get another job.
lololol.

So. The corporation left what they considered their best workers in the Columbus office. In particular, there was their one super worker...we'll call her Betty. Betty does the work of three people and everyone knows it. It's how Betty keeps a job. She's smart, and knows how things work...and how they don't work.

So. Anyway. One thing the corporation did not apparently figure on was that news of their dastardly acts would soon hit the grapevine of their Columbus competitors. Fired people apply for jobs elsewhere. Who knew? So, when the competitors get wind of how stupid their competitor was, well guess what? Do they hire the info-leaking job applicants? Not so much. But, they do get a hankering to go head-hunting for the "good" employees at the stupid corporation because...you know...they're under a little stress. lol. So, guess who they call? Oh yeah, they head hunt Betty. And, Betty says in a heartbeat: "I'm yours."

So. Then Betty marches right down to the boss's office and slaps an immediate resignation on the desk. The boss cries and hollers like a stuck pick: HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO ME? Then the boss wines and gorvels and begs for two weeks notice. No. Betty don't play. The Boss then hollers a bunch of emotional blather about how Betty is now terminated for "job abandonment". Betty then quotes the Boss the corporation handbook and the Ohio Revised Code...

....you see...when when a state is an AT WILL state...the will cuts both ways.

Whah, whah, whah Stupid Corporation.

You live by the sword. You die by the sword.

I know. It's so unfair.
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Then Betty marches right down to the boss's office and slaps an immediate resignation on the desk. The boss cries and hollers like a stuck pick: HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO ME? Then the boss wines and gorvels and begs for two weeks notice. No. Betty don't play. The Boss then hollers a bunch of emotional blather about how Betty is now terminated for "job abandonment". Betty then quotes the Boss the corporation handbook and the Ohio Revised Code...
Meaningless when a previous employer will answer "no" to the question of "Would you re-hire this employee?" It is left to the next company to decide if they want to pursue why this person would not be re-hired or not. Most choose not to pursue and say "no, thank you" to the applicant. So Betty is not protected in any way, is she? Poor Betty.
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...because not everyone is pursued by a competitor upon gossip of dastardly deeds.

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I think he/she was being somewhat sarcastic.
I suspected as much, but i wasn't being sarcastic.

Not sure if "right to work" is the way to go. The ability to cut one's losses needs to go both ways. When the economy goes sour, businesses need to cut expenses or services/products in order to stay alive, and private individuals usually (hopefully) cut back on as much consumption as possible (lowering dollars out of the wallet). It always amazes me that those who whine about "corporate welfare" are often the same ones who whine when corporations DO cut their staff/budgets. Which way is it? Live in a state/country with high taxation rates and plenty of business regulations (hence there goes the increase of the cost of doing business and likely a lowered employment rate) OR live in a state/country where there are fewer regulations and lower taxation and a higher employment rate?(Keep in mind this doesn't even address the issue of wages...)

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lololol.
So. The corporation left what they considered their best workers in the Columbus office. In particular, there was their one super worker...we'll call her Betty. Betty does the work of three people and everyone knows it. It's how Betty keeps a job. She's smart, and knows how things work...and how they don't work.
So. Anyway. One thing the corporation did not apparently figure on was that news of their dastardly acts would soon hit the grapevine of their Columbus competitors. Fired people apply for jobs elsewhere. Who knew? So, when the competitors get wind of how stupid their competitor was, well guess what? Do they hire the info-leaking job applicants? Not so much. But, they do get a hankering to go head-hunting for the "good" employees at the stupid corporation because...you know...they're under a little stress. lol. So, guess who they call? Oh yeah, they head hunt Betty. And, Betty says in a heartbeat: "I'm yours."
So. Then Betty marches right down to the boss's office and slaps an immediate resignation on the desk. The boss cries and hollers like a stuck pick: HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO ME? Then the boss wines and gorvels and begs for two weeks notice. No. Betty don't play. The Boss then hollers a bunch of emotional blather about how Betty is now terminated for "job abandonment". Betty then quotes the Boss the corporation handbook and the Ohio Revised Code...
....you see...when when a state is an AT WILL state...the will cuts both ways.
Whah, whah, whah Stupid Corporation.
You live by the sword. You die by the sword.
I know. It's so unfair.
So. Do like Betty, network the hell out of yourself continually and you will find a decreased chance of being in a pickle?

LOLOLOL....not saying you'll never have difficulty, but there are certain activities that tend to increase your marketability and your hire-ability. Bitching and whining about "corporations" isn't a productive activity. Learn the lesson, move on, tighten your belt financially. Yeah, I know. That's unfair, but it's the lesson life handed me. Have overcome, persisted, and moved on a couple of times.

I'm not certain we can say "stupid" corporation when, in fact, it hired you and it paid you. Not so black and white. It goes both ways. Need to deal with that fact...
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Agreed. I don't have a problem with folks moving on every few years, if they can find something equal to or better than what they've previously had. Corps aren't committed to employees like they once were, and private pensions are a thing of the past. Best you can do is negotiate a decent salary and ensure you leverage any 401K options available.
Also need to remember the cost of living and the cost of business, in general, is lower in the south. Taxes here and particularly in places like New York or Cali are way too high for a lot of small businesses to consider investing in areas like that.
true cost of living is cheaper there. The only difference between me and anybody else losing their job is the federal government isn't giving me money to move there like they do huge corporations. Small businesses don't get anything if they move south as far as the cost to move.

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