At Will Employment Law Is So Unfair

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Imagine a corporation's HR team swooping into an office one morning and just firing a group of people because of downsizing and giving them an hour to clean out their desks. That's not nice.
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Pr Jonah wrote:
Imagine a corporation's HR team swooping into an office one morning and just firing a group of people because of downsizing and giving them an hour to clean out their desks. That's not nice.
Enjoy your unemployment.
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Imagine a corporation's HR team swooping into an office one morning and just firing a group of people because of downsizing and giving them an hour to clean out their desks. That's not nice.
If you have a good skill or education that is in demand at will employment doesn't scare you one damn bit. Now if you have no major skills or education then at will means you aren't safe in your job unless you stand out and are hard working and go above and beyond.

My wife and I have had no issues living in right to work states. It tends to keep the slackers out of the good jobs.
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Pr Jonah wrote:
Imagine a corporation's HR team swooping into an office one morning and just firing a group of people because of downsizing and giving them an hour to clean out their desks. That's not nice.
Wouldn't happen to you if you're a member of Teamsters.

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Jimmy Hoffa wrote:
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Wouldn't happen to you if you're a member of Teamsters.
Company laid my grandson off along with a bunch of others last year
Thank God he's has multiple trades, and was working a week later at his alternate trade.
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Pr Jonah wrote:
Imagine a corporation's HR team swooping into an office one morning and just firing a group of people because of downsizing and giving them an hour to clean out their desks. That's not nice.
An hour to clear out. Sone financial centers have just deactivated pass codes or badges so you can't even get back in after lunch and have your personal items waiting for you.at security. You could steal a lot of data in an hour.
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Ummmm ... this is what happens in a society where everybody lives on direct deposit. When you have no more money, you cant pay people. People don't seem to get that because there is no money anymore ... only electrons that hit their accounts.
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Ummmm ... this is what happens in a society where everybody lives on direct deposit. When you have no more money, you cant pay people. People don't seem to get that because there is no money anymore ... only electrons that hit their accounts.
I still buy things with cash. Can't understand why people buy lunch with a debit card.

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I still buy things with cash. Can't understand why people buy lunch with a debit card.
Amen! Seldom charge, but if I do, the balance is paid off!!!
Cash is the best!
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Amen! Seldom charge, but if I do, the balance is paid off!!!
Cash is the best!
This relates to the 2004 Civic you were talking about. My parents, grandparents, uncles, etc. ALWAYS paid cash for their cars and, because of this, practically ALWAYS kept their cars a very long time.

I laugh sometimes when I see the sticker prices on cars these days because I wonder how many people would actually buy what they are driving if they had to write out a $40,000 check at the time of purchase.

But for some reason people don't mind the $400 or $600 a month they pay though.
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If you have a good skill or education that is in demand at will employment doesn't scare you one damn bit. Now if you have no major skills or education then at will means you aren't safe in your job unless you stand out and are hard working and go above and beyond.
My wife and I have had no issues living in right to work states. It tends to keep the slackers out of the good jobs.
Not to mention those over 50.

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I still buy things with cash. Can't understand why people buy lunch with a debit card.
I might use a debit card. It's the same as cash, comes straight out of the checking account. Credit card, different thing.

I use cash for all everyday purchases, including debit card or writing check at grocery. I don't necessarily always have cash on me. Direct deposit, no need to go to bank. Not sure, but seems as though most employers don't give a choice these day. They don't cut paychecks, they deposit pay direct into your bank account--at least mine does.
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I might use a debit card. It's the same as cash, comes straight out of the checking account. Credit card, different thing.
I use cash for all everyday purchases, including debit card or writing check at grocery. I don't necessarily always have cash on me. Direct deposit, no need to go to bank. Not sure, but seems as though most employers don't give a choice these day. They don't cut paychecks, they deposit pay direct into your bank account--at least mine does.
My oil and gas is 99.99% wire transfer. I do have individuals that buy natural gas and with those I don't take checks, it is cash and a flat rate no meter.

I never take credit or debit cards. Some clients I consult for barter which is fine with me.

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So. HR comes in and fires 5, and leaves 4 to run the office. Then, the corporation shuts down whole offices in three other major cities and redirects their customers to be serviced by the 4 remaining souls who still have a job in the Columbus office.

Well, that's not very nice.
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Enzyte Bob wrote:
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This relates to the 2004 Civic you were talking about. My parents, grandparents, uncles, etc. ALWAYS paid cash for their cars and, because of this, practically ALWAYS kept their cars a very long time.
I laugh sometimes when I see the sticker prices on cars these days because I wonder how many people would actually buy what they are driving if they had to write out a $40,000 check at the time of purchase.
But for some reason people don't mind the $400 or $600 a month they pay though.
Laugh all you want. With 0% APR, why would anyone fork over $40,000? And they don't mind a $650 a month car payment because they can afford it. Those, for the most part, are at-will employees, too.
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gokeefe wrote:
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I might use a debit card. It's the same as cash, comes straight out of the checking account. Credit card, different thing.
I use cash for all everyday purchases, including debit card or writing check at grocery. I don't necessarily always have cash on me. Direct deposit, no need to go to bank. Not sure, but seems as though most employers don't give a choice these day. They don't cut paychecks, they deposit pay direct into your bank account--at least mine does.
Electronic transfer of Funds (ETFs) are less expensive to process than paper checks. Plus no one can steal ETFs, forge them, cash them or lose them. It's the way of the world. Get used to it!

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So, then...like, the 4 people left are all going stark raving nuts because there is no way for them to handle a quadrupling of work. Corporate don't care. Corporate thinks it made a smooth move. They kept the most widely trained workers, and fired the more narrowly trained workers. So, corporate figures the ones they kept will just have to worker longer harder unto oblivion...cuz they could get the ax next. After all, its an at will labor state.

Well, that's not very nice.

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Enzyte Bob wrote:
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This relates to the 2004 Civic you were talking about. My parents, grandparents, uncles, etc. ALWAYS paid cash for their cars and, because of this, practically ALWAYS kept their cars a very long time.
I laugh sometimes when I see the sticker prices on cars these days because I wonder how many people would actually buy what they are driving if they had to write out a $40,000 check at the time of purchase.
But for some reason people don't mind the $400 or $600 a month they pay though.
I hate making payments of any kind. They said it will establish credit....I have A1 credit. But financed it anyway!
Well after the second payment , it was driving me nuts so I paid It off. Aaaaah! What a relief.
Lol
The problem is a lot of people don't live within their means, and they end up in debt, because they had to have IT yesterday. I noticed that the generations don't know how to sacrifice. They have now what took our parents years to work for to get.
I know there's inflation but I can't rest if I owe anything to anyone, but the kids today think. nothing of charging and making payments. Oy!
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In business it does not make sense to pay higher salary to individuals with so called "years of service" when you can hire someone off college for much cheaper price tag. Some may argue the experience factor but there is no direct correlation between years of service and working skill, say after 5-10 years.

Why should I pay 3 times of a salary to someone with 20+ years when I can hire 3 guys with 5 years of experience?

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Real Tea Party wrote:
In business it does not make sense to pay higher salary to individuals with so called "years of service" when you can hire someone off college for much cheaper price tag. Some may argue the experience factor but there is no direct correlation between years of service and working skill, say after 5-10 years.
Why should I pay 3 times of a salary to someone with 20+ years when I can hire 3 guys with 5 years of experience?
With the way most people work nowadays, many younger people do not stay in those positions for very long, so you may risk losing money and qualified people by hiring younger people. Someone who has worked for a company for longer may be making more money, but they are knowledgeable and will likely remain with the company for a lot longer, meaning you won't have to train new people which could slow down production, and also bringing younger people into the company means they will likely have young children to add to their insurance whereas an older person may have children out of the house already. Not to mention younger workers may have to take days off of work to care for their children. There are a lot of pros to keeping the old dogs, so to speak.

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