Lesbian sues Kansas City diocese over...

Lesbian sues Kansas City diocese over firing

There are 14 comments on the KFVS12 story from Jul 17, 2014, titled Lesbian sues Kansas City diocese over firing. In it, KFVS12 reports that:

A parish food pantry worker who was fired over her marriage to another woman is suing the Roman Catholic Diocese of Kansas City-St.

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Dan

United States

#1 Jul 17, 2014
.......and here we go again.

There's a lesson here, I guess.

Don't hire gays or lesbians. They don't think that employment terms and conditions apply to them as they do to non-homosexual persons.
Dan

United States

#2 Jul 17, 2014
....this gets better.

The woman in question is married to the Pastor of an ELCA Church in KC.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religi...

"Simon’s wife, the Rev. Donna Simon, is a pastor at a Kansas City congregation affiliated with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Colleen Simon said she underscored her wife’s public role in case the Jesuit parish had expectations the couple would be “discrete” about their marriage.

When a new priest was assigned to the church, Simon said she told the new pastor she was in a same-sex marriage. Then, the Simons were mentioned in a news article about the redevelopment of their neighborhood, accompanied by a photo of Colleen Simon working at the food pantry.

Soon after, the priest told Simon he had to fire her over the article. The dismissal letter sent last month from the diocese human resources director said she was fired because of the “irreconcilable conflict between the laws, discipline and teaching of the Catholic Church, and your relationship — formalized by an act of marriage in Iowa — to a person of the same sex.” Simon provided a copy of the letter to The Associated Press"

Whoops.

New boss comes in, you decide you want to be in the newspaper, new boss sees it and you get canned.

Force people's hand and they'll do something. Helpfully, this woman is now crying about it and suing.

To be fair, Simon said she asked her old boss and he said it wouldn't be a problem. Looks like the new boss was also at least semi-cool with it until the Simons wanted to see their pictures in the paper.

The parish is entitled to fire her. At-will arrangement.

Her wife should get her a gig at her church.

Dan

United States

#3 Jul 17, 2014
.......and before someone fires one off telling me that not firing her within a certain timeframe is tacit approval of her situation, consider this real-world scenario.

Employee X is chronically tardy. Work starts at 8am. Tells the boss when he's hired that he has trouble getting it going in the morning. Boss shrugs it off, says don't make it a huge problem and they go forward.

New boss is hired. Employee X tells new boss same story RE: he's not a morning person. New boss says "OK"

Employee X si late a couple of times. One day, the paper runs a story about the new donut shop in town and how busy they are from 8-9am during the week, and Employee X is quoted in the story and his picture accompanies the article.

Next day, Employee X is fired. New boss didn't want Employee X flaunting the workplace rules in public-causes him problems with the other employees and with the public image the company has.

If Employee X isn't gay, this never makes the news and no suit comes close to a court.
Rodney Vick

New York, NY

#4 Jul 17, 2014
Read the articles, the petition, etc before making your opinion.

The article wasn't meant to be about her, she asked permission to talk to the press, and then the article only mentioned in a minor aside that she was married to a woman.

She wasn't seeking attention, she was eliminated for accidentally getting attention.

And the Bishop in charge is a pedophile-shielder: the only one in the country to have a conviction for it.

As a Kansas Citean, I'd say the church is the problem in this scenario. Sounds like she was great at her job and loved it too.

One article:

http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/archives/2014/...
Dan

United States

#5 Jul 17, 2014
Rodney Vick wrote:
Read the articles, the petition, etc before making your opinion.
The article wasn't meant to be about her, she asked permission to talk to the press, and then the article only mentioned in a minor aside that she was married to a woman.
She wasn't seeking attention, she was eliminated for accidentally getting attention.
And the Bishop in charge is a pedophile-shielder: the only one in the country to have a conviction for it.
As a Kansas Citean, I'd say the church is the problem in this scenario. Sounds like she was great at her job and loved it too.
One article:
http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/archives/2014/...
Yes, I had read that the article in question wasn't about her or her wife the Pastor.

I didn't see in your article below or from the 2 or 3 others I'd read where Simon asked anyone's permission to be in the newspaper. Not sure how one would ask permission to be in an article that isn't about them, but in any event I haven't read that yet.

You can be great at your job and like it and still be fired.
Dan

United States

#6 Jul 17, 2014
Rodney Vick wrote:
Read the articles, the petition, etc before making your opinion.
The article wasn't meant to be about her, she asked permission to talk to the press, and then the article only mentioned in a minor aside that she was married to a woman.
She wasn't seeking attention, she was eliminated for accidentally getting attention.
And the Bishop in charge is a pedophile-shielder: the only one in the country to have a conviction for it.
As a Kansas Citean, I'd say the church is the problem in this scenario. Sounds like she was great at her job and loved it too.
One article:
http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/archives/2014/...
Thanks for the link, BTW.

Attorney Keenan representing Simon had what I though was an odd comment in his statement, describing those who ""sacrifice their labor ...."

I was of the understanding that Simon was getting paid, not acting as a volunteer.
Dan

United States

#7 Jul 17, 2014
This case is a bit different, in that Mrs. Simon is claiming civil fraud as a basis for the suit vs. "you fired me for being gay"., so I have to give her credit for that.

That doesn't mean she'll prevail, as I don't know if there's a basis to sue if your new boss runs the place differently than the old boss, but credit given for not employing a purely emotive rationale for the action.
Truth

San Ramon, CA

#8 Jul 17, 2014
Just curious Dan, are you just a Christian fanatic or a homophobic? I guess you could be both, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, something you obviously are unwilling to do for others who don't fit your narrow minded ways.
Dan

United States

#9 Jul 18, 2014
Truth wrote:
Just curious Dan, are you just a Christian fanatic or a homophobic? I guess you could be both, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, something you obviously are unwilling to do for others who don't fit your narrow minded ways.
Well, Truth, you got me there!

After all, no one can disagree with a gay person or anything they say or do without being one or the other or both, right?
Stupid Bishops

Grove City, OH

#10 Jul 18, 2014
Social justice helping minorities comes back to bite you in the S.
Stupid Jesuits

Grove City, OH

#11 Jul 18, 2014
They are always disregarding Church teaching and trying to impose their radical leftist ideology on the Church. BAN ALL JESUITS!
They cannot kill a Spook

Taylor, MI

#12 Jul 18, 2014
Rodney Vick wrote:
Read the articles, the petition, etc before making your opinion.
The article wasn't meant to be about her, she asked permission to talk to the press, and then the article only mentioned in a minor aside that she was married to a woman.
She wasn't seeking attention, she was eliminated for accidentally getting attention.
And the Bishop in charge is a pedophile-shielder: the only one in the country to have a conviction for it.
As a Kansas Citean, I'd say the church is the problem in this scenario. Sounds like she was great at her job and loved it too.
One article:
http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/archives/2014/...
Then she should have no problem getting a job in the private sector. Many companies even give.preference to minorities and lesbians to.show they are "diverse"
No Food Pantries

Grove City, OH

#13 Jul 19, 2014
Churches should not be giving out food to anyone - at least not to non-parishioners. So many people lie to get food, medicine, etc., which they then sell for alcohol, tobacco & drugs. Let these moochers be screened.
Columbus Cow Dung Town

Grove City, OH

#14 Jul 19, 2014
West Broad Street in Franklinton and East LOng Street Downtown are just two of many places in Columbus where naive churches give clothes, blankets, food, drinks,etc., to the homelesss, who abuse people walking by. Mayor Coleman & clergy, you have changed Columbus from being a Cow Town to now a Cow Dung Town. No wonder middle class people are fleeing the City.

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