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#82 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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I think it is wrong to suppose that the Bible recommended that we do nothing in response to the lives of those who are poor. I believe that you are referring to was Jesus admonishing his disciples who criticized Mary Magdalene for anointing his feet with oil and spices rather than selling these expensive items and giving the procedes to the poor.
We always have such a problem with balance.
But as regards your dad--I'm sure he was a wonderful person. But, your story brought to mind employers who used to purposely keep their employees indebted to them through a variety of devices, such as payment in scrip, requirements to pay rent to live in company housing (price set by the company) or purchase goods from the company store. It was in fact a form of slavery and is no longer legal.
You have the wrong poster. I have never mentioned Mary Magdalene or, I believe, Jesus, in any posts. God, yes.

Odd that you would think that way, i.e., company stores, keeping employees indebted, particularly in an area you know nothing about. For the most part, the grooms and hot walkers that take care of the horses live on the track in dorms connected to the stables. There is no rent. They rarely leave the grounds as most do not have cars or families. Every track has a church. When one of my Dad's men got sick, needed to dry out from alcohol abuse, or if he was a teenage boy my dad felt should not live on the track just yet, he brought them to our farm and they lived there, rent free, collected a paycheck and ate every meal at our table. No chance they were going to be drinking with my mother in charge.
We had a trailer out by the stables, but mostly they would live in the house. I remember them. Skipper, Freddie (teenager from Philadelphia), Tex. It is a huge farmhouse. 200 to 250 years old.
Of course, I was always at the stable pestering them.

No, Reader, before you twist this, they were not held against their will nor made to accept this arrangement. To the man, they worshipped my mother, respected and admired my dad and were very good to my sister and I. So don't even go there. My mother drove them where they needed to go. They were included in everything the family did.

In the last few years I was talking to the son of the farmer who was next to us and sometimes rented some of dad's land to plant. He told me something I had never known. When the farmer had a bad year with crops, my Dad would say 'forget the rent this year Harry. Just get my hay and straw up in the loft for me and we're even.'

When I noted the Bible says 'The poor will always be among us', my mother taught that, therefore, we are expected to help them.

But not ordered to by any government through involuntary taxation until we create a large population of sluggards. You cannot legislate a charitable heart. But you sure can instill one by your example.

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#83 Feb 16, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>So you people can start the indoctrination even earlier?
Forget it.
And by "you people" you mean?

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#84 Feb 16, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
You have the wrong poster. I have never mentioned Mary Magdalene or, I believe, Jesus, in any posts. God, yes.
Odd that you would think that way, i.e., company stores, keeping employees indebted, particularly in an area you know nothing about. For the most part, the grooms and hot walkers that take care of the horses live on the track in dorms connected to the stables. There is no rent. They rarely leave the grounds as most do not have cars or families. Every track has a church. When one of my Dad's men got sick, needed to dry out from alcohol abuse, or if he was a teenage boy my dad felt should not live on the track just yet, he brought them to our farm and they lived there, rent free, collected a paycheck and ate every meal at our table. No chance they were going to be drinking with my mother in charge.
We had a trailer out by the stables, but mostly they would live in the house. I remember them. Skipper, Freddie (teenager from Philadelphia), Tex. It is a huge farmhouse. 200 to 250 years old.
Of course, I was always at the stable pestering them.
No, Reader, before you twist this, they were not held against their will nor made to accept this arrangement. To the man, they worshipped my mother, respected and admired my dad and were very good to my sister and I. So don't even go there. My mother drove them where they needed to go. They were included in everything the family did.
In the last few years I was talking to the son of the farmer who was next to us and sometimes rented some of dad's land to plant. He told me something I had never known. When the farmer had a bad year with crops, my Dad would say 'forget the rent this year Harry. Just get my hay and straw up in the loft for me and we're even.'
When I noted the Bible says 'The poor will always be among us', my mother taught that, therefore, we are expected to help them.
But not ordered to by any government through involuntary taxation until we create a large population of sluggards. You cannot legislate a charitable heart. But you sure can instill one by your example.
OK, whatever.

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#85 Feb 16, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like expanding the size of the federal government to me. Socialist.
Redirect back to the original problem--that of the widening earnings gap, and the economic and political threat this poses.

What solutions do you propose?
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#86 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it is wrong to suppose that the Bible recommended that we do nothing in response to the lives of those who are poor. I believe that you are referring to was Jesus admonishing his disciples who criticized Mary Magdalene for anointing his feet with oil and spices rather than selling these expensive items and giving the procedes to the poor.
We always have such a problem with balance.
But as regards your dad--I'm sure he was a wonderful person. But, your story brought to mind employers who used to purposely keep their employees indebted to them through a variety of devices, such as payment in scrip, requirements to pay rent to live in company housing (price set by the company) or purchase goods from the company store. It was in fact a form of slavery and is no longer legal.
I understand the company store, but horsey people are different. It's a whole different culture. More of an "in exchange for" rather than "work in horrific conditions and I will own you". And they become a very tight knit family in the process.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

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Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#87 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
And by "you people" you mean?
After three years you know what I mean.
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#88 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, whatever.
We posted at about the same time. On this one, she's right.

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#89 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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More to it than just running the government.
When capital gets pooled among a very small percentage at the top, it isn't doing anyone any good. Taxation can be used to redirect resources in ways that are ultimately supportive of a strong middle class. Think about the impact of such post WWII programs as the GI bill and federal mortgage insurance. Consider the impact if we were actually able to act on Obama's suggested universal preschool.
If that very small pool at the top were not making charitable donations in the billions, medicine and other social programs would be much farther behind then they are. Before we get to the tax $ the pay, goods and services they use.

You say redirect...you mean redistribute, wealth. Miserable idea that will drive people and jobs out of this country (more than we've seen already) and kill entreprenuerism.

'All men were created equal' does not mean they are to stay equal. There must be many levels of society. You want to be in the top 1%...find a way and work at it. And don't say anything holds anyone back.'It' has always been there for anyone who wanted it bad enough, whether it be education or success.

There are all types of yardsticks.

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#90 Feb 16, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
You have the wrong poster. I have never mentioned Mary Magdalene or, I believe, Jesus, in any posts. God, yes.
Odd that you would think that way, i.e., company stores, keeping employees indebted, particularly in an area you know nothing about. For the most part, the grooms and hot walkers that take care of the horses live on the track in dorms connected to the stables. There is no rent. They rarely leave the grounds as most do not have cars or families. Every track has a church. When one of my Dad's men got sick, needed to dry out from alcohol abuse, or if he was a teenage boy my dad felt should not live on the track just yet, he brought them to our farm and they lived there, rent free, collected a paycheck and ate every meal at our table. No chance they were going to be drinking with my mother in charge.
We had a trailer out by the stables, but mostly they would live in the house. I remember them. Skipper, Freddie (teenager from Philadelphia), Tex. It is a huge farmhouse. 200 to 250 years old.
Of course, I was always at the stable pestering them.
No, Reader, before you twist this, they were not held against their will nor made to accept this arrangement. To the man, they worshipped my mother, respected and admired my dad and were very good to my sister and I. So don't even go there. My mother drove them where they needed to go. They were included in everything the family did.
In the last few years I was talking to the son of the farmer who was next to us and sometimes rented some of dad's land to plant. He told me something I had never known. When the farmer had a bad year with crops, my Dad would say 'forget the rent this year Harry. Just get my hay and straw up in the loft for me and we're even.'
When I noted the Bible says 'The poor will always be among us', my mother taught that, therefore, we are expected to help them.
But not ordered to by any government through involuntary taxation until we create a large population of sluggards. You cannot legislate a charitable heart. But you sure can instill one by your example.
Bravo!

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#91 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Redirect back to the original problem--that of the widening earnings gap, and the economic and political threat this poses.
What solutions do you propose?
Minimize govenment.

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#92 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Redirect back to the original problem--that of the widening earnings gap, and the economic and political threat this poses.
What solutions do you propose?
Back to Tony's response. The middle class always had, always will, provided the bulk of the federal government's income. Simply because of the sheer numbers. You aren't going to collect a hell of a lot more by taxing the uber wealthy more.

Solutions? How about actually auditing your beloved federal programs to expose waste and then cutting the waste? How about some belt-tightening and not doing things like Obama's day care? Hell, I raised kids, did day care w/o federal assistance, and yes, it consumed a good chunk of my income. I lived to tell, and I actually ate and made the house payment on time. It's called being a rational person and making rational decisions without depending on hand outs.

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Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#93 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
More to it than just running the government.
It shouldn't be, IMO.
When capital gets pooled among a very small percentage at the top, it isn't doing anyone any good. Taxation can be used to redirect resources in ways that are ultimately supportive of a strong middle class. Think about the impact of such post WWII programs as the GI bill and federal mortgage insurance. Consider the impact if we were actually able to act on Obama's suggested universal preschool.
Education is outside the purview of the federal government, IMO.

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#94 Feb 16, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>After three years you know what I mean.
Probably not. Twister isn't just a child's game...

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#95 Feb 16, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Probably not. Twister isn't just a child's game...
LOL!
The fact that she finds it offensive always brings a smirk to my face.

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#96 Feb 16, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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I understand the company store, but horsey people are different. It's a whole different culture. More of an "in exchange for" rather than "work in horrific conditions and I will own you". And they become a very tight knit family in the process.
Oh, now I'm 'horsey.' LOL No, just like any other business, there are all kinds.

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#97 Feb 16, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably not. Twister isn't just a child's game...
LMAO Good one!

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#98 Feb 16, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Back to Tony's response. The middle class always had, always will, provided the bulk of the federal government's income. Simply because of the sheer numbers. You aren't going to collect a hell of a lot more by taxing the uber wealthy more.
Solutions? How about actually auditing your beloved federal programs to expose waste and then cutting the waste? How about some belt-tightening and not doing things like Obama's day care? Hell, I raised kids, did day care w/o federal assistance, and yes, it consumed a good chunk of my income. I lived to tell, and I actually ate and made the house payment on time. It's called being a rational person and making rational decisions without depending on hand outs.
Audit needed, absolutely. How many federal employees have we added the past 5 years?

Back to the middle class, I agree, so what about a far out idea like, say, create 12 million well paying, middle class jobs rather quickly by opening the Keystone Pipeline and making Canada and the US energy independent through drilling and fracking and requiring 5 new refineries to be built?

Or we could invest in more solar energy. And buy the solar panels from China for the construction of federal buildings.

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#99 Feb 16, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
We posted at about the same time. On this one, she's right.
What, wait, Wait what. On which 'one' and which 'she?'

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#100 Feb 16, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand the company store, but horsey people are different. It's a whole different culture. More of an "in exchange for" rather than "work in horrific conditions and I will own you". And they become a very tight knit family in the process.
All one big happy family in which some are guaranteed wealth for generations and others cannot make it from paycheck to paycheck without owing the entire check back to the one who is, in fact, their employer.

Forgive me my skepticism about the benevolent papa handing out ten-spots from the good of his heart.

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#101 Feb 16, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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If that very small pool at the top were not making charitable donations in the billions, medicine and other social programs would be much farther behind then they are. Before we get to the tax $ the pay, goods and services they use.
You say redirect...you mean redistribute, wealth. Miserable idea that will drive people and jobs out of this country (more than we've seen already) and kill entreprenuerism.
'All men were created equal' does not mean they are to stay equal. There must be many levels of society. You want to be in the top 1%...find a way and work at it. And don't say anything holds anyone back.'It' has always been there for anyone who wanted it bad enough, whether it be education or success.
There are all types of yardsticks.
And so, your solution would be ..?

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