Wait what

Dublin, OH

#203 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean when he managed to get the Brits ticked off at him?
Nothing, but nothing, will ever top Obama's faux pas:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/05/...

Unless, as some suspect, he was set up. Could happen again, in that case.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#204 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
So--is it 2,000 or 13,000?
Pay attention. The 2,000 was for 2013 only.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#205 Feb 16, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
"The IRS will have to create new forms and instructions by 2014, and likely reprogram all of its systems to manage the incredible volumes of information that it will now have to retrieve from Americans to ensure that they adhere to the new law.
Of course, all those changes should be easy with the additional staff. The IRS is hiring more than 13,000 agents. Not administrative staff. Agents. The IRS assures Americans that the agents will not audit or check to make sure that Americans adhere to the law. One must assume, then, that the trained agents will sit at keyboards keying in information."
http://ifawebnews.com/2012/11/06/look-for-new...
Maine Governor Calls Obamacare’s Army of IRS Agents the “New Gestapo”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/maine...
WW, it will never happen by 2014. They will never have their act together. IRS is so screwed up now that they are only accepting and processing 1040 short forms and it 2/16. Any return with prior year gains or losses, or a garden variety of simple issues, say, depreciation expense, they are not accepting and are unable to tell us when they will be set up to accept them. And you get no apology. Just the refusal to accept. I have never in my career seen any agency behave so unprofessionally and never had a return refused.

Now Twister will call this a lie, backed up by Che.

Anybody having better luck filing, let me know how. I'll tell you what, the baby mama getting triple her withholding given to her got it early this week. A whole two weeks after her 1040 was filed.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#206 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean when he managed to get the Brits ticked off at him?
Don't know much about the Brits or their politics do you?

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#207 Feb 16, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what I asked 20 posts ago, Tony. Gee, never got an answer. Imagine that.
Ponder this:

"Income for the top fifth of American households rose by 1.6 percent last year, driven by even larger increases for the top 5 percent of households, said David Johnson, the Census Bureau official who presented the findings. All households in the middle of the scale saw declines, while those at the very bottom stagnated.

"“You’re really struck by the unevenness of the recovery,” said Lawrence Katz, an economics professor at Harvard.“The top end took a whack in the recession, but they’ve gotten back on their feet. Everyone else is still down for the count.”

"The numbers helped drive an overall decline in income for the typical American family. Median household income after inflation fell to $50,054, a level that was 8 percent lower than in 2007, the year before the recession took hold."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/us/us-incom...

Now think about what happens to all kinds of things as a result, including spending on everything from groceries to automobiles to houses. Consider particularly what this does to the ability of the middle class to pay taxes, save for the future, send their children to college and on and on.

No problem?

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#208 Feb 16, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
Pay attention. The 2,000 was for 2013 only.
And they will be adding 2,000 workers per year for the next six years?
Whoreallycares

Columbus, OH

#209 Feb 16, 2013
I like this thread. That is all. Carry on.

I will lurk moar.

(I've lived off minimum rage before, relatively recently... it is not pretty... and I lived in a 2-person, 2-worker household. If it is not supposed to be a livable wage then how are those who work 40+ hours on it supposed to live without socialistic handouts/wage increases/a decrease in rent and cost of living? Minimum wage should be a livable wage, want to cut down on handouts? Theres your way. Increase minimum wage, and youd see a decrease in food-stamp recipiants as well as other forms of wellfare. I know there'd be a private-sector blow-back, maybe even hiring freezes or some other sinister thing to fight back against the "oppressive dems who deamed wages should be raised for its nations workers" but if you get past that I honestly see it being a mutually profitable venture. Drug-test wellfare and make a working income something worth working for. You already know wage increases are NOWHERE near the level inflation we've seen over the years."

I know, I know, how very un-libertarian of me. My ideals have to touch ground every once in awhile, there aren't as many oppurtunities as there used to be... and I have a unique perspective. It is completely possible for 2 people making minimum wage and working 20-30 hours a week to file for support alongside their meager wages, im fairly certain a large sect of the population fits into this category, id propose as many as 5 million. Increasing wages a minor amount (an acceptable amount, come on. Ohios current minimum wage hardly supports a living, full-time employees earn less than 12k a year. Could you live on less than 12k?... Really think about it. Remember, without employing the willing you'll be met with handouts and unemployment... gotta weigh that too.
Adif understanding

United States

#210 Feb 16, 2013
Whoreallycares wrote:
If it is not supposed to be a livable wage then how are those who work 40+ hours on it supposed to live without socialistic handouts/wage increases/a decrease in rent and cost of living?
They aren't supposed to live off it. They are supposed to use the minimum wage jobs as stepping stones to jobs that pay more. If you are 40 years old making minimum wage because that's all that is available to you, something serious is wrong in the area in which you live. Addressing those problems will do way more to get you a livable wage then increasing minimum wage where it just causes the cost of everything to rise.

As for the rest, you are not thinking it through. Raising minimum wage ends up raising the cost of living. You might find a short term increase in disposable cash but it will be short lived once inflation catches up. What you need is jobs that pay more then minimum wage because the economics dictate it. Let the high school kids do the whopper flopping and unionize at the factories who aren't treating employees right. However, don't let the unions run wild and chase your job to China or India.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#211 Feb 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Ponder this:
"Income for the top fifth of American households rose by 1.6 percent last year, driven by even larger increases for the top 5 percent of households, said David Johnson, the Census Bureau official who presented the findings. All households in the middle of the scale saw declines, while those at the very bottom stagnated.
"“You’re really struck by the unevenness of the recovery,” said Lawrence Katz, an economics professor at Harvard.“The top end took a whack in the recession, but they’ve gotten back on their feet. Everyone else is still down for the count.”
"The numbers helped drive an overall decline in income for the typical American family. Median household income after inflation fell to $50,054, a level that was 8 percent lower than in 2007, the year before the recession took hold."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/us/us-incom...
Now think about what happens to all kinds of things as a result, including spending on everything from groceries to automobiles to houses. Consider particularly what this does to the ability of the middle class to pay taxes, save for the future, send their children to college and on and on.
No problem?
Not really. Barack is golfing this weekend from a warm beach in Florida and Michelle went out west somewhere on her girls' getaway.

What problem?
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#212 Feb 17, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
And they will be adding 2,000 workers per year for the next six years?
In 2014, every business in this country has to be audited by the IRS for health care compliance. In 2014, every citizen has to be audited via the IRS for compliance for health insurance, and the returns are expected to increase in number (those who get money back don't always file). Those getting subsidies cannot get them without filing and if they are married, it has to be a joint return. And the IRS will be have to take steps for those out of compliance.

2,000 seems like a lowball number to me, all things considered.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#213 Feb 17, 2013
And remember, if you qualify for subsidies you have to balance out come tax time. That's gonna take extra folks as well - and wait till those refunds are affected! Ouch! CBO says 13K or so - are you saying they don't know what they're talking about?
mike

Akron, OH

#214 Feb 17, 2013
There will always be uber rich people and uber poor people - move on and get over the whining.
VADoc

Aiken, SC

#215 Feb 17, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Not quite true. The IRS ramped up massively in 2012 in preparation for the health care laws. Most were contract jobs:
http://www.infowars.com/thousands-of-new-irs-...
I know this personally. I had several recruiters contact me. I had no desire.
I'll bet the decrease stated in your article was due to attrition. The IRS almost never does any massive layoffs or firings. You really have to be stupid to lose a job with the IRS. If you read that article very carefully, skimmer, you'd have noticed this sentence:
"The IRS attributes the decline to a flat budget and a hiring freeze."
And did you happen to read this sentence:
"However, the shrinking agencies, including the IRS, still have more employees than before the hiring boom."
That just means simply they didn't hire new bodies and was summed up at the end:
"Federal employment trims are done without layoffs. When workers quit or retire, the government hires fewer replacements."
That is where folks like myself come in. Contractors. Mean anything?
Somewhat obvious you're not comprehending what you're reading. The federal government may or may not lose employees, but they're definitely not necessarily affecting employment, at least not yet. Depends on how sequestration plays out. And sequestration isn't the answer. The government actually looking at its programs and its expenditures and finding redundancies, fraud, and waste will do it.
If sequestration does go through, it *may*(meaning, it has the potential) of increasing unemployment in specific areas (like areas around Dayton that rely on a highly technical contract workforce at WPAFB). Most of us will likely weather the storm pretty well, can be absorbed back into the private sector pretty well.
Let me weigh in since I know what's going on right now.

What will happen is like you said employees who have been around forever will take early retirement or no longer get step raises. Low level employees in jobs that do not require education will have their step raises denied (our union isn't strong and has done nothing to stop this practice). There will be a hiring freeze except for much needed jobs such as highly educated folks (think psychologists and mental health professionals, physicians, nurse practitioners) and they will phase jobs out by attrition. The fed almost never lays off employees. Especially not in the VA system. It's a hot button issue and if you start cutting jobs in the VA health system you get called out for not supporting vets. I won't say it won't ever happen, in fact if a president existed who would take a huge shit on veterans and smile while doing it it's Obama.

Oh and the republicans are right we don't need a raise. The only folks who are underpaid for their talents in the VA are the providers. Many of us could make much more in the private sector but we work in the VA because it's something we believe in. I took a decent pay cut to work for the VA but I'm treated more like a professional here and I love helping veterans. I love everyday I'm at work!
Robert

Lees Summit, MO

#216 Feb 17, 2013
Whoreallycares wrote:
I like this thread. That is all. Carry on.
I will lurk moar.
(I've lived off minimum rage before, relatively recently... it is not pretty... and I lived in a 2-person, 2-worker household. If it is not supposed to be a livable wage then how are those who work 40+ hours on it supposed to live without socialistic handouts/wage increases/a decrease in rent and cost of living? Minimum wage should be a livable wage, want to cut down on handouts? Theres your way. Increase minimum wage, and youd see a decrease in food-stamp recipiants as well as other forms of wellfare. I know there'd be a private-sector blow-back, maybe even hiring freezes or some other sinister thing to fight back against the "oppressive dems who deamed wages should be raised for its nations workers" but if you get past that I honestly see it being a mutually profitable venture. Drug-test wellfare and make a working income something worth working for. You already know wage increases are NOWHERE near the level inflation we've seen over the years."
I know, I know, how very un-libertarian of me. My ideals have to touch ground every once in awhile, there aren't as many oppurtunities as there used to be... and I have a unique perspective. It is completely possible for 2 people making minimum wage and working 20-30 hours a week to file for support alongside their meager wages, im fairly certain a large sect of the population fits into this category, id propose as many as 5 million. Increasing wages a minor amount (an acceptable amount, come on. Ohios current minimum wage hardly supports a living, full-time employees earn less than 12k a year. Could you live on less than 12k?... Really think about it. Remember, without employing the willing you'll be met with handouts and unemployment... gotta weigh that too.
Raising minimum wage by 24% all at once would have a diverse effect on small business that typically hires workers who just entered the workforce. But when a newly formed business now has to take a 24% hit to its bottom line, a multitude of things can happen. Layoffs, expenses, or go out of business all together. A gradual increase over 5 years would be better. You can plan for that. It would be a death nail for alot of small businesses, but the Pres just sees it as a knife in the side of corporate America. But the part he refuses to see is that it would bring in less taxes. More wages paid out means more deductions by employer means less profit paid. I do not think the 2% increase in tax recently will make up for it!
Robert

Lees Summit, MO

#217 Feb 17, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>They aren't supposed to live off it. They are supposed to use the minimum wage jobs as stepping stones to jobs that pay more. If you are 40 years old making minimum wage because that's all that is available to you, something serious is wrong in the area in which you live. Addressing those problems will do way more to get you a livable wage then increasing minimum wage where it just causes the cost of everything to rise.
As for the rest, you are not thinking it through. Raising minimum wage ends up raising the cost of living. You might find a short term increase in disposable cash but it will be short lived once inflation catches up. What you need is jobs that pay more then minimum wage because the economics dictate it. Let the high school kids do the whopper flopping and unionize at the factories who aren't treating employees right. However, don't let the unions run wild and chase your job to China or India.
And thanks to Obamacare they are no only getting 29 hours a week. So you better hope you can find 2 jobs at 9 per hour and 29 hours per week so you don't starve. I find it ironic the dems always leave out this fact. Elections do have consequences! Moron's!!!
Robert

Lees Summit, MO

#218 Feb 17, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean he would use a bunch of money from the Federal Government?
Isn't that what Obama does. Plays golf, Ski's, plays basketball, goes to Hawaii. And just travels around and gives speeches. Never governs. Which is his job. Obviously he does not like that part, because he has never ran anything and has no inclination to try. But he is god at snowing others into believing he is their savior. All on the TAXPAYER DIME!
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#219 Feb 17, 2013
VADoc wrote:
<quoted text>Many of us could make much more in the private sector but we work in the VA because it's something we believe in. I took a decent pay cut to work for the VA but I'm treated more like a professional here and I love helping veterans. I love everyday I'm at work!
Funny how the gracious benefits that come with government employment are not mentioned at all.

woof
Adif understanding

United States

#220 Feb 17, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
And thanks to Obamacare they are no only getting 29 hours a week. So you better hope you can find 2 jobs at 9 per hour and 29 hours per week so you don't starve. I find it ironic the dems always leave out this fact. Elections do have consequences! Moron's!!!
I've said it for a long time and I have seen little to indicate it is not true. The democrats tend to not think things through and instead concentrate more on appearing to be "doing something". And it doesn't matter if doing something actually touches what the problem was, the only thing is that they did something. Biden's gaff the other day about all this new gun control not preventing mass shootings like Aurora or Sandy Hook or saving a single life illustrates this.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#221 Feb 17, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that what Obama does. Plays golf, Ski's, plays basketball, goes to Hawaii. And just travels around and gives speeches. Never governs. Which is his job. Obviously he does not like that part, because he has never ran anything and has no inclination to try. But he is god at snowing others into believing he is their savior. All on the TAXPAYER DIME!
Nope.
Borough_Admminis trator

Mount Vernon, OH

#222 Feb 17, 2013
i like the "no air conditiong" idea

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