Which Parent Do I Not Need....?

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#1 Mar 20, 2013
http://tinyurl.com/ceg528e

Minn. Legislature Can’t Answer 11-Year-Old’s Question:
‘Which Parent Do I Not Need -- My Mom or My Dad?’

by Fred Lucas

Minnesota state legislators considering a same-sex marriage bill for the state did not have an answer to an 11-year-old girl’s question on which parent is not needed.

“Since every child needs a mom and a dad to be born, I don’t think we can change that children need a mom and a dad. I believe God made it that way,” Grace Evans, 11, said before the Minnesota House Committee on Civil Law last week.“I know some disagree, but I want to ask you this question: Which parent do I not need – my mom or my dad?”

[video]

She paused for eight seconds as the legislators on the committee sat silent.

Evans then said,“I’ll ask again, which parent do I not need – my mom or my dad?” She paused again, this time for 13 seconds of silence from state lawmakers.

Evans concluded, saying,“I hope that you can see that every child needs a mom and a dad. Please don’t change your law on marriage to say otherwise.”

Nevertheless, the House committee voted in favor of the gay marriage bill and sent it to the full House. A similar bill is also before the state Senate.

Evans told legislators that her mom and dad each provide something unique to her life.

“Even though I’m only 11 years old, I know that everyone deserves to have a mom and a dad,” Evans said.“If you change the law to say two moms and two dads can get married, it would take away something very important for children like me across the state.

“My mom is very important to me, because she teaches me about being a girl,” Evans said.“She is kind, thoughtful, gentle and beautiful. She cares for me and others and listens very well to things I want to talk to her about.

“I am learning from her to be a good woman, wife and mother someday. Even though I learn some of these things from my dad, my mom teaches them in a very special way. Without my mom, it would be very hard for me to learn them. She’s my role model on how to be a girl, and I love her very much,” she said.

“My dad is also very important to me, because he protects me and helps me get the confidence to be a girl who is growing up to be a woman,” she continued.“He takes care of problems in a way my mom cannot.

“Just like my mom wouldn’t be able to be the woman she is without my dad, I wouldn’t be able to be the woman I want to be without my dad. Because he is strong, wise and different from my mom, I learn things from him that I would not be able to learn in the same way from my mom,” said Evans.

Her father, Jeff Evans, said there have been insulting things about his daughter on various websites and social media since she spoke in front of legislators.

“We haven’t had any physical threats, but we’ve had some rather colorful comments about my 11-year-old,” Jeff Evans told CNSNews.com .“I’ve been monitoring it to keep my family safe and have a heads up on it. It’s really shameful the things that people will say, hiding behind an Internet alias.”

He said there was nothing posted that made him feel his daughter or family was in danger.

“We see it as more representative of where political discourse is in our country, where you can’t take a position without receiving a great deal of flak, which is unfortunate,” Jeff Evans added, also expressing pride in his daughter.

“I asked her,‘Were you nervous at all?’ She said,‘Not really. I knew I could do it because I’ve learned how to speak in front of other people at school,’” he said.“[She’s] Pretty confident and just a wonderful, wonderful daughter.”

One comment on YouTube called Grace Evans “an 11-year-old bigot.” Another said,“shame on you little girl, your speech was ---.” Another comment on YouTube said,“What is sad is im (sic) certain this girl will grow up and support full marriage equality but yet she will be haunted by this.”

“animis opibusque parati”

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#2 Mar 20, 2013
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On the Facebook page for The Uptake, a Minnesota news website, someone posted a comment,“Stupid Indoctrinated Child.”

A comment posted on the local CBS affiliate website said,“Who ever (sic) spoon fed their child that script to read in front of everyone needs to check into a mental hospital. You are using your kids as pawns in your selfish game. Hopefully one day that child will grow up to think on their own, and then come to the realization that their parents did them a huge disservice by indoctrinating them into this school of hate.”

Jeff Evans feels these comments are representative of the other side.

“Supporters of gay marriage are deceitfully claiming that the legalization of gay marriage won’t affect our religious freedoms or freedom of speech. I do not believe them,” he told

CNSNews.com .“These attacks on Grace are an example of how we have already lost many of these freedoms. In fact, it’s so bad, they aren’t afraid to viscously attack an 11-year-old girl. Imagine what it will be like if gay marriage becomes legal in Minnesota.”

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#3 Mar 20, 2013
Your little friend is confusing marriage with child-rearing.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#4 Mar 21, 2013
Wow. These "attacks on Grace" really do show a loss of freedoms. If people don't have the freedom to offer their opinion in an environment free of rebuttals, what is left for the country?

Imagine what gay marriage would do. People could be criticizing and responding to speech all over the place.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#5 Mar 21, 2013
Oops. I thought this thread was an inquiry from Hugh Thompson, IV. Carry on.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#6 Mar 21, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
Oops. I thought this thread was an inquiry from Hugh Thompson, IV. Carry on.
There's little doubt that you believe the state is superior to parents.
Another view

Columbus, OH

#7 Mar 21, 2013
A young adoptee shares his thoughts on the upcoming Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in a letter to U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, says a March 18 news story on AmericaBlog.com . After learning that Justice Roberts is himself an adoptive father to two children, 12-year-old Daniel Martinez-Leffew was compelled to send a letter expressing his feelings. With the help of one of his fathers, Daniel also made a YouTube video of himself reading the letter.

Daniel and his younger sister were adopted by their two dads. Daniel was five at the time of his adoption and had spent time in the foster care system prior to finding his forever family. The family lives in California, so the upcoming ruling on DOMA, also known as Prop 8, hits very close to home for them. When Daniel learned that Roberts was an adoptive parent, he drew some comparisons with his own family.

"Family means a lot of different things to different people, but some people believe you have to have the same blood to be a family," says Daniel in the video of himself reading the letter to Justice Roberts. "You and I both know that family goes deeper than blood."

Daniel urges Justice Roberts to see the normalcy and love of his family, and poignantly asks him not to take away their rights.

"I know you have a tough decision to make with the gay marriage issue, but my family is just as valuable and worthwhile as any other," says Daniel.
http://www.examiner.com/article/adopted-son-o...

Youtube video:
Another view

Columbus, OH

#8 Mar 21, 2013
The American Academy of Pediatrics, which has over 60,000 members, has long been supportive of same-sex families, signing onto court briefs supporting marriage equality and defending LGBT youth from anti-gay efforts like the “Don’t Say Gay” bill. Now, for the first time, the group has formally endorsed marriage equality as an organization, championing how marriage benefits same-sex couples’ children.

The full report cites dozens of studies about same-sex parenting and even takes time to debunk the politically manipulated Regnerus study for not actually assessing data on committed same-sex couples raising children. It concludes:

On the basis of this comprehensive review of the literature regarding the development and adjustment of children whose parents are the same gender, as well as the existing evidence for the legal, social, and health benefits of marriage to children, the AAP concludes that it is in the best interests of children that they be able to partake in the security of permanent nurturing and care that comes with the civil marriage of their parents,without regard to their parents’ gender or sexual orientation.

Marriage equality can help reduce social stigma faced by lesbian and gay parents and their children, thereby enhancing social stability, acceptance, and support. Children who are raised by married parents benefit from the social and legal status that civil marriage conveys to their parents.

When marriage of their parents is not a viable option, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for temporary foster care or adoption by single parents or couples, irrespective of their sexual orientation. Public policy and community support are vital to the success of children in these circumstances.

The AAP should not be confused with the impostor group, the American College of Pediatricians, a fringe group of conservatives that promotes ex-gay therapy and opposes LGBT equality. That group unsurprisingly hides its membership numbers, but likely has no more than 200 members.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/03/21/1753...
Oliver Canterberry

New Albany, OH

#9 Mar 21, 2013
-tip- wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/ceg528e
Minn. Legislature Can’t Answer 11-Year-Old’s Question:
‘Which Parent Do I Not Need -- My Mom or My Dad?’
by Fred Lucas
Minnesota state legislators considering a same-sex marriage bill for the state did not have an answer to an 11-year-old girl’s question on which parent is not needed.
“Since every child needs a mom and a dad to be born, I don’t think we can change that children need a mom and a dad. I believe God made it that way,” Grace Evans, 11, said before the Minnesota House Committee on Civil Law last week.“I know some disagree, but I want to ask you this question: Which parent do I not need – my mom or my dad?”
[video]
She paused for eight seconds as the legislators on the committee sat silent.
Evans then said,“I’ll ask again, which parent do I not need – my mom or my dad?” She paused again, this time for 13 seconds of silence from state lawmakers.
Evans concluded, saying,“I hope that you can see that every child needs a mom and a dad. Please don’t change your law on marriage to say otherwise.”
Nevertheless, the House committee voted in favor of the gay marriage bill and sent it to the full House. A similar bill is also before the state Senate.
Evans told legislators that her mom and dad each provide something unique to her life.
“Even though I’m only 11 years old, I know that everyone deserves to have a mom and a dad,” Evans said.“If you change the law to say two moms and two dads can get married, it would take away something very important for children like me across the state.
“My mom is very important to me, because she teaches me about being a girl,” Evans said.“She is kind, thoughtful, gentle and beautiful. She cares for me and others and listens very well to things I want to talk to her about.
“I am learning from her to be a good woman, wife and mother someday. Even though I learn some of these things from my dad, my mom teaches them in a very special way. Without my mom, it would be very hard for me to learn them. She’s my role model on how to be a girl, and I love her very much,” she said.
“My dad is also very important to me, because he protects me and helps me get the confidence to be a girl who is growing up to be a woman,” she continued.“He takes care of problems in a way my mom cannot.
“Just like my mom wouldn’t be able to be the woman she is without my dad, I wouldn’t be able to be the woman I want to be without my dad. Because he is strong, wise and different from my mom, I learn things from him that I would not be able to learn in the same way from my mom,” said Evans.
Her father, Jeff Evans, said there have been insulting things about his daughter on various websites and social media since she spoke in front of legislators.
“We haven’t had any physical threats, but we’ve had some rather colorful comments about my 11-year-old,” Jeff Evans told CNSNews.com .“I’ve been monitoring it to keep my family safe and have a heads up on it. It’s really shameful the things that people will say, hiding behind an Internet alias.”
He said there was nothing posted that made him feel his daughter or family was in danger.
“We see it as more representative of where political discourse is in our country, where you can’t take a position without receiving a great deal of flak, which is unfortunate,” Jeff Evans added, also expressing pride in his daughter.
“I asked her,‘Were you nervous at all?’ She said,‘Not really. I knew I could do it because I’ve learned how to speak in front of other people at school,’” he said.“[She’s] Pretty confident and just a wonderful, wonderful daughter.”
One comment on YouTube called Grace Evans “an 11-year-old bigot.” Another said,“shame on you little girl, your speech was ---.” Another comment on YouTube said,“What is sad is im (sic) certain this girl will grow up and support full marriage equality but yet she will be haunted by this.”
The little girl is right. God mad Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Oliver Canterberry

New Albany, OH

#10 Mar 21, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
Your little friend is confusing marriage with child-rearing.
The little girl is right. Marriage is the foundation of civilization going back thousands of years as the best environment for the nurture and care of children. Sterile "marriage" is an oxymoron. Sterility is unnatural as well like the mule which is the unnatural offspring of a horse and a donkey. No mammal, except one, chooses to be sterile and not pass on its genes to the next generation.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#11 Mar 21, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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The little girl is right. God mad Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Yes, of course, she's right.

Our nation acknowledges and negative affects of single-motherhood upon children.
Well, those children are not negatively affected because they lack another mom.

Duh.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#12 Mar 21, 2013
edit: acknowledges THE negative...

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