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Andy ran out of oxycodone last week, the painkiller that eases his back pain when another medicine stops working. Full Story
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timmy

Youngstown, OH

#1 Jul 10, 2011
Start arresting the Dealers or DOCTORS ! That will stop this fast.Kasich why didn't you think of that or your boy from California. You know that Heart beat bill that was just passed amazes me ! We had a Representative from Ohio Arrest in Indiana for DWI, Viagra , and a Stripper in his car ! What's funny about this Catholic Rep . is he just voted on the Heart beat bill. Kasich doesn't want us pounding on him as he quoted. Well what are we suppose to do dictator ? Where is his Morales in his pants ?? While he tries to Knock Up the World !!!!
ddxtzr

Lakeview, OH

#2 Jul 10, 2011
this will increase,us who live in pain will just have to live in pain.thanks for the BIG GOVERNMENT republicans,fraud's!!!
ProBusiness

Columbus, OH

#3 Jul 10, 2011
His problem is unfortunate, but the truth is that 99.999% of patients going to doctors with "back pain" are just trying to get pain pills. I would say learn other techniques to deal with pain because the rampant abuse of the synthetic morphine pills means they will, and should, become very, very difficult to obtain.

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Hotel California

Grove City, OH

#4 Jul 10, 2011
It's not hard to figure out what's going to happen.

There will be mass suicides over the next six months, the average wait at a pain clinic now.

Between the suicides, and pain-induced heart attacks and strokes, the deaths of addicts will look like a love fest. Unfortunately, there won't be any way to track these deaths since the cause of death will about the injury or disease causing the pain.

We know the families of addicts pushed this thing through because they were 'tired' of seeing their loved ones die. They had convinced themselves that us legitimate cases could get treated because they have no concept of how the medical system functions at the specialist level.

Well, the joke is on us chronic pain patients, isn't it? Their addicts will go to something more available, and we'll be dead because we NEED doctors. Getting them some interventional treatment would have been asking the families to do something other than sit and complain.

Now, the new law is merely killing off another group of people. The group who wants to live and be productive in favor of those who don't.
Hotel California

Grove City, OH

#5 Jul 10, 2011
ProBusiness wrote:
His problem is unfortunate, but the truth is that 99.999% of patients going to doctors with "back pain" are just trying to get pain pills. I would say learn other techniques to deal with pain because the rampant abuse of the synthetic morphine pills means they will, and should, become very, very difficult to obtain.
And you know this how? I have a file of tests and reports 3" thick, and I still get to jump through hoops. And yes, I do use all the interventional treatments like lidocaine and Tens Unit. At some point, everything quits working and you need an increase in drugs just to get out of bed.

But truly, I'm curious about how you arrived at your 99.99% figure.
Res Ipsa Loquitur

Columbus, OH

#6 Jul 10, 2011
ProBusiness wrote:
His problem is unfortunate, but the truth is that 99.999% of patients going to doctors with "back pain" are just trying to get pain pills. I would say learn other techniques to deal with pain because the rampant abuse of the synthetic morphine pills means they will, and should, become very, very difficult to obtain.
I'll guarantee that you don't speak from the experience of chronic low back pain. I've dealt with it thru multiple surgeries and degeneration for over 45 years and you, friend, do not know what you're talking about.
Bullpucky

Dublin, OH

#7 Jul 10, 2011
Again, another example of how K-sick "takes care of a problem" by punishing all - not the offenders. If this was to do away with "pill mills" then that should have been the focus - and from what I understand - any fraud with issuing prescriptions was a law that was already there. It just needed to be enforced! This appears to be the same theory the K-thugs used to push forward SB5. Destroy them all to take away the offenders. And this is the party that believes in "less government?" More like the "do as I say......" party.
Hope

Portsmouth, OH

#8 Jul 10, 2011
According to the CATO Institute approximately 100 million americans and over 2 million Ohio residents suffer from pain. Pain management is a special kind of health care that take a physician with knowledge and special training. This administration went after pain clinics without having a plan or thought about those who legitimately need pain medication and do not abuse it. Doctors were singled out that prescribe pain medication, and now doctors and pharmacists are reluctant to prescribe or fill pain medication. ODH statistics indicate that approximately 1,350 people died in Ohio in 2009 from overdose, 17 per county. Most took to many pills, did not take them correctly (injected them or snorted the pills) and some with alcohol. Now for those 2 million Ohio residents that may need pain medication you may not be able to get it. Some legitimate pain patients who obeyed the law are now turning to the streets for drugs. I am in good health and don't take any medication, but someday I may need it and Ohio Is not the place for pain management health care under this administration. The Ohio Medical Board and Pharmacy Board is under pressure to do what the governor and the AG Office directs them to do. For the 2 million people in Ohio who suffer from pain, make sure you are registered to vote and then vote.
nana

Columbus, OH

#9 Jul 10, 2011
ProBusiness wrote:
His problem is unfortunate, but the truth is that 99.999% of patients going to doctors with "back pain" are just trying to get pain pills. I would say learn other techniques to deal with pain because the rampant abuse of the synthetic morphine pills means they will, and should, become very, very difficult to obtain.
Please inform me as to how you know that 99.999% of patients with back pain are just trying to get pain pills. I for one live with a husband that has had back pain and I mean major back pain 38 of our almost 40 years of marriage. He tried to go without pain pills but has not been able to.

SO ProBusiness unless you have statics that prove what you just stated then PLEASE shut your yap.
Hort from Bryan OH

Bowling Green, OH

#10 Jul 10, 2011
I always love the guy that starts with the 99.999% figure right out of the box!! I am not sure 99.999% that I will be alive tomorrow!! I have no need (yet) for pain management, but I was concerned during this debate that "throwing a blanket" over the entire "community" to curb the criminals ultimately hurts the law abiding. Ironically, the new law may drive the law abiding toward "alternative" sources. I do not condone this mind you, but our lawmakers flail forward without proper consideration for consequences or effect on the law abiding. Campaign commercial coming to a TV near you..... "SO AND SO WORKED TO CLOSE PILL MILLS AND END DRUG ADDICTION!" Jeez, we let these guys run without a leash and they're not even house trained yet!
Res Ipsa Loquitur wrote:
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I'll guarantee that you don't speak from the experience of chronic low back pain. I've dealt with it thru multiple surgeries and degeneration for over 45 years and you, friend, do not know what you're talking about.
Sue

Columbus, OH

#11 Jul 10, 2011
Most patients that get narcotics for pain are cons. This fact. Of course all of them will swear they are the one that has the real apin, truth is you are just addicts. Columbus Southern has long been a pill mill. Patients drive from 100 miles away to get their fix. I have a family member gets 228 pain pills every 28 days from them and had no back pain at all. She sells most of her pills at $5.00 each. They are on medicaid so they pay nothing for doctor's visit or pills. Pure profit.
Bubba Wong

Dublin, OH

#12 Jul 10, 2011
ProBusiness wrote:
His problem is unfortunate, but the truth is that 99.999% of patients going to doctors with "back pain" are just trying to get pain pills. I would say learn other techniques to deal with pain because the rampant abuse of the synthetic morphine pills means they will, and should, become very, very difficult to obtain.
You are a liar and an idiot, Show your proof...
Retired Deputy

Chillicothe, OH

#13 Jul 10, 2011
The difference betwwen a real family doctor and a pain management doctor is that they both test and order xrays and mri's and determine the cause and a proper course of treatment to to help the manage the pain.
The "pain clinics" are like this give the patient pills they ask for collect a cash fee and go to next patient.
I need pain medication and HATE taking any and will not move to next level but no surgery or PT etc will help any longer.
I conceur that some doctors need arrested for how they handle these "patients" but when you see homes broken into just to get pills and know of people who inject oxy or crush and snort them we have a problem that can be stopped with tough laws.
Crazy Laws

Crestview, FL

#14 Jul 10, 2011
These laws are just plain stupid. The laws in place were fine to attack the abusers. The problem now is people with chronic back pain will be dying younger due to the stress back pain puts on a person. I have lived with chronic back pain for over 30 years and while I do not take a daily regiment of pain meds I still need pain meds once in a while. I try my best to live with the pain but there are times especially in Ohio when it gets cold that people with chronic long term pain need prescription meds. The people that are supposed to be targed are the abusers that do not need these meds to begin with and those are the people that need to be penalized. Cancer patients, back pain patients, fibromyalga patients will tell you that constant pain is just part of their life and their doctors know that. The wrong people are being persecuted by this new law. First, Vote the current legislators out because they have no idea what they are doing. Second, allow doctors to prescribe what a patient needs to control daily pain and let them police themselves. Doctors can tell when a patient is abusing medication and they should be allowed to shut off the prescriptions and give their patients proper treatment for that addicition. New laws are not needed just the enforcement of the current laws already on the books.
Ed Wood

Waverly, OH

#15 Jul 10, 2011
This has got to be one of the stupdiest comments I have ever read on these boards! I bet at the dentist you get novicaine, right? Perhaps you should learn another technique for pain management. I'm certain that your wife / children never ever take medication for pain. Never even an asprin.

Please provide some proof of the '...99.999% of patients going to doctors with "back pain" are just trying to get pain pills.' Or did you just pull that number out of your a55? Hope that didn't hurt, cause no pain medication for you - you are just trying to get pain pills.

ProBONEHEAD - You are a dumba55 - who are you to tell those in pain how to live?
ProBusiness wrote:
His problem is unfortunate, but the truth is that 99.999% of patients going to doctors with "back pain" are just trying to get pain pills. I would say learn other techniques to deal with pain because the rampant abuse of the synthetic morphine pills means they will, and should, become very, very difficult to obtain.
Ed Wood

Waverly, OH

#16 Jul 10, 2011
Would be priceless if he got the stripper pregnant & she couldn't get an abortion (if she wanted one) because of his heartbeat bill!
timmy wrote:
Start arresting the Dealers or DOCTORS ! That will stop this fast.Kasich why didn't you think of that or your boy from California. You know that Heart beat bill that was just passed amazes me ! We had a Representative from Ohio Arrest in Indiana for DWI, Viagra , and a Stripper in his car ! What's funny about this Catholic Rep . is he just voted on the Heart beat bill. Kasich doesn't want us pounding on him as he quoted. Well what are we suppose to do dictator ? Where is his Morales in his pants ?? While he tries to Knock Up the World !!!!
Crazy Laws

Crestview, FL

#17 Jul 10, 2011
ProBusiness wrote:
His problem is unfortunate, but the truth is that 99.999% of patients going to doctors with "back pain" are just trying to get pain pills. I would say learn other techniques to deal with pain because the rampant abuse of the synthetic morphine pills means they will, and should, become very, very difficult to obtain.
I pity this guy. He is only one good car aaccident away from understanding real pain. I hope by the time he needs these meds that he cannot get them under any circumstances. And should he ever need dental surgery or any medical procedures give him a stick to bite on because he only wants the drugs because he is a weak addict. Enjoy the pain it's your friend!
Ed Wood

Waverly, OH

#18 Jul 10, 2011
Then help them get off the pills and find a job. Oh, that's right there are no jobs - Go Kasich.
Sue wrote:
Most patients that get narcotics for pain are cons. This fact. Of course all of them will swear they are the one that has the real apin, truth is you are just addicts. Columbus Southern has long been a pill mill. Patients drive from 100 miles away to get their fix. I have a family member gets 228 pain pills every 28 days from them and had no back pain at all. She sells most of her pills at $5.00 each. They are on medicaid so they pay nothing for doctor's visit or pills. Pure profit.
WakeUpOhio

Columbus, OH

#19 Jul 10, 2011
Blame the addicts and those who make money off of them. Good doctors can still prescribe pain medications, as can all doctors with a license. However, many "pain patients" are irresponsible; doctor-shop; go out of their way to get pain meds from multiple sources; "lose" their medications; and do not follow up to get refills when they see they are running low. Pain can be a chronic condition like any other disease, multiple types of treatments should be used, not just narcotics.
Black Lion

Columbus, OH

#20 Jul 10, 2011
Less than 20% of Doctors who have been charged for prescribing pain killers have been adjudicated as "inappropriate" yet patients in pain are being turned away to suffer in silence. Government is in the exam room standing between the Dr. and the patient. Soon they will be in your bedroom acting like the condom that they are. When will you stand up and fight back.

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