Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#21 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
On further reflection, I retract my above generous statement regarding your reading comprehension problems.
You lied; therefore, you have an honesty problem.
You know Tip,
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
"Disagree" is not the equivalent of "demean."
Say it with me...

“animis opibusque parati”

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#22 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
So, because I did not also direct you to remove the phrase regarding "the monument", you could not understand my point?
I'm not the one with comprehension skills Tippy.
BB posted a link to a story about a coal mining disaster that occurred in Wales a century ago today.
I pointed out, after reading your rehashing of a quote about "repeating history" in another thread, that those sorts of disasters and deaths have occurred for well over a century, continue to occur today, and the primary reason their frequency has declined over time is because of the efforts of ordinary people who organized against workplace oppression.
I then pointed out that even Paco seemed to find modern labor organizations useful.
I also pointed out that people seeking justice against oppression don't only die in wars...they also die going to work to feed, house, and clothe their families.
Now you somehow want to berate me for doing that.
Strange.
Very strange, you are.
woof
A revisionist extraordinaire you are.
Your direct analogy, below:
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice sketch on the history of the monument. However, the author ultimately misses its relevance to current events, as George Santayana so simply stated:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
The men memorialized by that monument died during an epic national struggle over economics and the growing power of centralized government.
***
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Substitute "Capitalist Robber Barons" for "centralized government".

“animis opibusque parati”

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#23 Oct 12, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
You know Tip,
<quoted text>
Say it with me...
I made statement of fact.
Deal with it, bugaboo.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#24 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
I made statement of fact.
Deal with it, bugaboo.
I see. When I do it, it's being demeaning. When you do it, it is simply stating fact. There is a word for that, Tip.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#25 Oct 12, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
I see. When I do it, it's being demeaning. When you do it, it is simply stating fact. There is a word for that, Tip.
You cannot distinguish between a statement of fact supported by evidence [i.e., someone is being dishonest]...and a gratuitious insult.

No wonder you are ever so miserable.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#26 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
I made statement of fact.
Deal with it, bugaboo.
No Tippy, you're trying to create some hidden meaning in my post that isn't there: That I am speaking disparagingly of those who died fighting the civil war.

I am not.

I am pointing out that millions of innocent people seeking economic justice have perished throughout history since the industrial revolution from simply going to work, and that despite the opinions of many today, unions still serve a useful purpose. Their deaths are just as tragic, and they are just as heroic as those who die seeking justice in other ways.

The esteemed Pickapaco's citation of an internal memo from the airline pilot's union pointing out safety risks on airliners seems to support my conclusion that unions still serve a useful purpose, and that "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it".

If that concept is far too complex for you, there is no hope for you whatsoever.

woof

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#27 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
No Tippy, you're trying to create some hidden meaning in my post that isn't there: That I am speaking disparagingly of those who died fighting the civil war.
I am not.
I am pointing out that millions of innocent people seeking economic justice have perished throughout history since the industrial revolution from simply going to work, and that despite the opinions of many today, unions still serve a useful purpose. Their deaths are just as tragic, and they are just as heroic as those who die seeking justice in other ways.
The esteemed Pickapaco's citation of an internal memo from the airline pilot's union pointing out safety risks on airliners seems to support my conclusion that unions still serve a useful purpose, and that "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it".
If that concept is far too complex for you, there is no hope for you whatsoever.
woof
Just as stubborn as bugaboo you are.
You made a direct comparison which you continue to defend.

Only now...you are employing so many more words and nuances in defense of your ludicrous position.

May I point out that you will need to invent many more to support your assertion that "millions of innocent people seeking economic justice have perished throughout history since the industrial revolution from simply going to work..."
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#28 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
You cannot distinguish between a statement of fact supported by evidence [i.e., someone is being dishonest]...and a gratuitious insult.
No wonder you are ever so miserable.
Let's see. This whole discussion started when you took offense to me using the word "idiot." That is a statement of fact supported by evidence (i.e., someone is being stupid).... and not a gratuitous insult, like say "skank." No wonder you are ever so hypocritical.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#29 Oct 12, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see. This whole discussion started when you took offense to me using the word "idiot." That is a statement of fact supported by evidence (i.e., someone is being stupid).... and not a gratuitous insult, like say "skank." No wonder you are ever so hypocritical.
No, I took no offense at your use of the word, "idiot."
You popped in to sh!t on the discussion and leave.
It's what you do.
Carry on.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#30 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as stubborn as bugaboo you are.
You made a direct comparison which you continue to defend.
Only now...you are employing so many more words and nuances in defense of your ludicrous position.
May I point out that you will need to invent many more to support your assertion that "millions of innocent people seeking economic justice have perished throughout history since the industrial revolution from simply going to work..."
Not really Tippy. I need not invent a single thing:

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/aldrich.sa...

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm48...

http://www.weitzlux.com/workaccidentshistory_...

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshcfoi1.htm

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/02/orph-...

http://www.pbs.org/fmc/timeline/dmortality.ht...

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfch0011.pd...

http://www2.needham.k12.ma.us/nhs/cur/Baker_0...

Now, if you have enough common sense to extrapolate the numbers contained in these documents regarding workplace fatalities in the US to arrive at a worldwide (Think China) estimate, you will find that my statement is quite accurate.

have a nice day.

woof
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#31 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I took no offense at your use of the word, "idiot."
You popped in to sh!t on the discussion and leave.
It's what you do.
Carry on.
By "shit on" I assume you mean disagree. "Idiot" was the only word I used that could be considered "demeaning." After all, that was what you claimed to be offended by, the "demeaning." And if I popped in and the left, why come is the discussion continuing?
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#32 Oct 12, 2013

“Keep your policy period. LMAO”

Since: Sep 13

The 57th state

#33 Oct 12, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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By "shit on" I assume you mean disagree.
I see no reason for you to bring your religion into the discussion.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#35 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Not really Tippy. I need not invent a single thing:
http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/aldrich.sa...
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm48...
http://www.weitzlux.com/workaccidentshistory_...
http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshcfoi1.htm
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/02/orph-...
http://www.pbs.org/fmc/timeline/dmortality.ht...
http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfch0011.pd...
http://www2.needham.k12.ma.us/nhs/cur/Baker_0...
Now, if you have enough common sense to extrapolate the numbers contained in these documents regarding workplace fatalities in the US to arrive at a worldwide (Think China) estimate, you will find that my statement is quite accurate.
have a nice day.
woof
I had no idea that to be employed is to be enlisted and engaged in an epic war for economic justice against our employers. Lat time I checked, employment is at will between the parties.

By the way, who's winning the war at your office?
You...or you?

“animis opibusque parati”

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#36 Oct 12, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
By "shit on" I assume you mean disagree. "Idiot" was the only word I used that could be considered "demeaning." After all, that was what you claimed to be offended by, the "demeaning." And if I popped in and the left, why come is the discussion continuing?
Why come you're so slow to understand the facts?
You popped into the discussion to assign vulgarity to dead Union soldiers.
Your comment was neither necessary nor relevant.
But again, that's your standard M.O.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#37 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
I had no idea that to be employed is to be enlisted and engaged in an epic war for economic justice against our employers. Lat time I checked, employment is at will between the parties.
By the way, who's winning the war at your office?
You...or you?
Nice try, but employment is not entirely "at will" anymore, and there's a reason for that. Labor Unions.

Truth of the matter...you're pissed off that I applied a quotation attributed to a Spanish born, Harvard educated philosopher to a discussion about tragic, preventable workplace deaths during the industrial revolution, and the direct sociological benefits of the labor movement that resulted in response to workplace exploitation.

Too bad for you.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#38 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
You popped into the discussion to assign vulgarity to dead Union soldiers.
Where did that occur Tippy?

You're getting to be just as batty as Paco and Annie.

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

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#39 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Nice try, but employment is not entirely "at will" anymore, and there's a reason for that. Labor Unions.
No, sir.
In fact, union coercion is entirely incompatible with individual freedom of contract.

You would do well to note that early 20th century union membership comprised 6% of the labor force; and, today, the union membership rate among private sector employees remains 6.6%.[2012 BLS stats].

You Progressives vastly overestimate the influence and strength of labor unions throughout history and, particularly, today.

*Also note, notably higher is today's public sector rate of 35.9%.
Are today's employees more mistreated by Uncle Sam than the private sector?
Hmmm.
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth of the matter...you're pissed off that I applied a quotation attributed to a Spanish born, Harvard educated philosopher to a discussion about tragic, preventable workplace deaths during the industrial revolution, and the direct sociological benefits of the labor movement that resulted in response to workplace exploitation.
Too bad for you.
woof
You did no such thing.
You NEVER referenced Santayana in your initial flawed analogy.
Don't make me repaste it...again.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#40 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Where did that occur Tippy?
You're getting to be just as batty as Paco and Annie.
woof
Pitiful. Just pitiful.
I cannot help you follow a thread that was hijacked by your own daughter.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#41 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
No, sir.
In fact, union coercion is entirely incompatible with individual freedom of contract.
You would do well to note that early 20th century union membership comprised 6% of the labor force; and, today, the union membership rate among private sector employees remains 6.6%.[2012 BLS stats].
You Progressives vastly overestimate the influence and strength of labor unions throughout history and, particularly, today.
*Also note, notably higher is today's public sector rate of 35.9%.
Are today's employees more mistreated by Uncle Sam than the private sector?
Hmmm.
<quoted text>
You did no such thing.
You NEVER referenced Santayana in your initial flawed analogy.
Don't make me repaste it...again.
Hey Yo Yo.

1)If you cannot understand that Unions are directly responsible for your working life being immensely safer and more comfortable than that of a typical employee of 100-150 years ago, you are one of those people who Mr. Santayana was referring to. Ignorant of history.

I picked your convenient inclusion of his quote from the other thread, applied it to this one because it is appropriate in context.

Now you're mad about it.

Whooopee.

woof

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