A Bit of History / The Great Welsh Disaster of 1913

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“PLANET EARTH”

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#1 Oct 12, 2013
http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/11/a-p...

The story and photos are incredible.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#2 Oct 12, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com /2013/10/11/a-personal-connect ion-to-a-1913-catastrophe/?hpt =hp_c3
The story and photos are incredible.
Its been happening for well over a century, and all of those deaths played a key role in the growth of organized labor as a political and social advocate of worker's safety and rights.

People seem to forget that these days.

http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/index.html

http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/Photo.htm



woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#3 Oct 12, 2013
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From Buddy Millers Cd ----Midnight and Lonesome

Quecreek by Julie Miller

At the Quecreek mine nine miners went down
Two hundred and forty feet deep in the ground
The night shift went a mile when there came a shout
Somebody's hit water everybody gotta get out

It was over their heads and too fast to outrun
Together they were tied to live or die as one
Help came from all round but the drill stripped and broke
So the men penned goodbyes and wives hoped against hope

When the waters come up
When you go thru the flood
In the Lord you can trust
He will be there with us

Now Jesus was laid in a hole in the ground
He was dead, but the third day God's hand brought him out
And the miners were buried three nights and three days
But like Jesus Sunday morning all nine men were raised

woof

“PLANET EARTH”

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#4 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Its been happening for well over a century, and all of those deaths played a key role in the growth of organized labor as a political and social advocate of worker's safety and rights.
People seem to forget that these days.
http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/index.html
http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/Photo.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Tdtb0SX1JokXX
woof
Thanks
I love history and I love old pics of history. It gives the flavor of the times.
Yes, organized labor changed this country big time, not saying it was a tough sale and bumpy road.
Today, I think the unions have changed a lot, using great amounts of money toward political support.
hey hey black Albert

Columbus, OH

#5 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Its been happening for well over a century, and all of those deaths played a key role in the growth of organized labor as a political and social advocate of worker's safety and rights.
People seem to forget that these days.
http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/index.html
http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/Photo.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Tdtb0SX1JokXX
woof
Got to love when unions play key roles in some bullsh^t or another because then the fatcat goonion bosses pull down those $250,000/ year salaries, get fattter than a fat pfhuq, and then raid the pension funds of their union bretheren. Yea! Goonions!

“Queen of my domain”

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#6 Oct 12, 2013
Thanks for sharing. I love history too, especially seeing the pictures from those times.

I have little tolerance for unions. My dad was a UAW guy. He started having a lot of heartburn with the UAW in the 70s. They were getting too greedy for him. And yes, they were often corrupt in the auto industry.

Those pictures reminded me of the movie "How Green Was My Valley." You might find that movie playing on AMC every now and again. It has a very young Roddy McDowell playing the lead role.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#7 Oct 12, 2013
hey hey black Albert wrote:
<quoted text>Got to love when unions play key roles in some bullsh^t or another because then the fatcat goonion bosses pull down those $250,000/ year salaries, get fattter than a fat pfhuq, and then raid the pension funds of their union bretheren. Yea! Goonions!
Courtesy of TippyHead, from the other thread:
-tip- wrote:
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Nice sketch on the history of the monument. However, the author ultimately misses its relevance to current events, as George Santayana so simply stated:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
The men memorialized by that monument died during an epic national struggle over economics and the growing power of centralized government.
Substitute "Capitalist Robber Barons" for "centralized government".

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

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#8 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Courtesy of TippyHead, from the other thread:
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Substitute "Capitalist Robber Barons" for "centralized government".
woof
Your Poli-Sci 101 prof is very proud.
She wishes you to ignore the laughter of the critical thinkers.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#9 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Your Poli-Sci 101 prof is very proud.
She wishes you to ignore the laughter of the critical thinkers.
Wasn't it your buddy PickaPaco who was just the other day citing an internal memo from the organization representing airline pilots as an example of why labor organizations remain useful to this day???

Why yes....it was!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/11/internal...

Critical thinking huh?

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

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#10 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Wasn't it your buddy PickaPaco who was just the other day citing an internal memo from the organization representing airline pilots as an example of why labor organizations remain useful to this day???
Why yes....it was!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/11/internal...
Critical thinking huh?
woof
So, in your mind the Union Army was all about labor unions...
Got it.
hey hey black Albert

Columbus, OH

#11 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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So, in your mind the Union Army was all about labor unions...
Got it.
And the "Union Made" campaign label was a minority outreach program!
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#12 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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So, in your mind the Union Army was all about labor unions...
Got it.
No Einstein.

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/R/rodin/thin...

Some people die seeking justice in different ways.

I'm merely pointing out the fact that lots more people died at the hands of robber barons who controlled the coal industry before organized labor forced legislators to act.

Not my fault you would wish to forget that "history", and repeat it.

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

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#13 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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No Einstein.
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/R/rodin/thin...
Some people die seeking justice in different ways.
I'm merely pointing out the fact that lots more people died at the hands of robber barons who controlled the coal industry before organized labor forced legislators to act.
Not my fault you would wish to forget that "history", and repeat it.
woof
You invoke the U.S. Civil War as analogous to the unionization of coal miners?
Good Lord, you represent the epitome of Progressive FAIL.

“SHE WHO DARES WINS”

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#14 Oct 12, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com /2013/10/11/a-personal-connect ion-to-a-1913-catastrophe/?hpt =hp_c3
The story and photos are incredible.
Google Aberfan Disaster
It happened in 1966 in South Wales
So sad all those children killed.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#15 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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You invoke the U.S. Civil War as analogous to the unionization of coal miners?
Good Lord, you represent the epitome of Progressive FAIL.
I did not "invoke the civil war as analogous to the unionization of coal miners?".

I invoked the statement truthful statement that "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it", within the context of this thread about coal miners' tragic deaths. I said that people perish seeking justice in all sorts of different ways, including working quietly under criminally harsh conditions for decades, unnecessarily risking their lives on a daily basis in order to support their families because their employers care more about profit than human life.

You don't have your thinking cap on Tippy.

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

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#16 Oct 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I did not "invoke the civil war as analogous to the unionization of coal miners?".
I invoked the statement truthful statement that "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it"...
No, in fact, you did not.
I will refer you back to your own post #7.

Obviously, your reading comprehension problems are deeper than previously observed.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#17 Oct 12, 2013
On further reflection, I retract my above generous statement regarding your reading comprehension problems.

You lied; therefore, you have an honesty problem.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#18 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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No, in fact, you did not.
I will refer you back to your own post #7.
Obviously, your reading comprehension problems are deeper than previously observed.
So, because I did not also direct you to remove the phrase regarding "the monument", you could not understand my point?

I'm not the one with comprehension skills Tippy.

BB posted a link to a story about a coal mining disaster that occurred in Wales a century ago today.

I pointed out, after reading your rehashing of a quote about "repeating history" in another thread, that those sorts of disasters and deaths have occurred for well over a century, continue to occur today, and the primary reason their frequency has declined over time is because of the efforts of ordinary people who organized against workplace oppression.

I then pointed out that even Paco seemed to find modern labor organizations useful.

I also pointed out that people seeking justice against oppression don't only die in wars...they also die going to work to feed, house, and clothe their families.

Now you somehow want to berate me for doing that.

Strange.

Very strange, you are.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#19 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
On further reflection, I retract my above generous statement regarding your reading comprehension problems.
You lied; therefore, you have an honesty problem.
What, pray tell, did I lie about?

woof
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#20 Oct 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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No, in fact, you did not.
I will refer you back to your own post #7.
Obviously, your reading comprehension problems are deeper than previously observed.
You know, Tip:
-tip- wrote:
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"Disagree" is not the equivalent of "demean."
Oh wait. That doesn't apply to you, just to others. I get it.

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