“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#155 Apr 17, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Signed by Bill Clinton, 1993. Ratified by Democrat House and Democrat Senate, 1993.
Although I despise using Wikipedia as a source:

Bush's administration, along with the Progressive Conservative Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, spearheaded the negotiations of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which would eliminate the majority of tariffs on products traded among the United States, Canada, and Mexico, to encourage trade amongst the countries.[74] The treaty also restricts patents, copyrights, and trademarks, and outlines the removal of investment restrictions among the three countries.[74]

The agreement came under heavy scrutiny amongst mainly Democrats, who charged that NAFTA resulted in a loss of US jobs.[12] NAFTA also contained no provisions for labor rights;[75] according to the Bush administration, the trade agreement would generate economic resources necessary to enable Mexico's government to overcome problems of funding and enforcement of its labor laws.[75] Bush needed a renewal of negotiating authority to move forward with the NAFTA trade talks. Such authority would enable the president to negotiate a trade accord that would be submitted to Congress for a vote, thereby avoiding a situation in which the president would be required to renegotiate with trading partners those parts of an agreement that Congress wished to change.[75] While initial signing was possible during his term, negotiations made slow, but steady, progress. President Clinton would go on to make the passage of NAFTA a priority for his administration, despite its conservative and Republican roots with the addition of two side agreements to achieve its passage in 1993.[76]

The treaty has since been defended as well as criticized further. The American economy has grown 54 percent since the adoption of NAFTA in 1993, with 25 million new jobs created; this was seen by some as evidence of NAFTA being beneficial to the US.[77] With talk in early 2008 regarding a possible American withdrawal from the treaty, Carlos M Gutierrez, current United States Secretary of Commerce, writes, "Quitting NAFTA would send economic shock waves throughout the world, and the damage would start here at home."[77] But John J Sweeney of The Boston Globe argues that "the US trade deficit with Canada and Mexico ballooned to 12 times its pre-NAFTA size, reaching $111 billion in 2004."[78]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bus...

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#156 Apr 17, 2013
Neutral Party wrote:
<quoted text>
Who signed it? Slick Willy himself. Shows that he not only screws girls but all people.
Again, NAFTA was initiated by George Herbert Walker Bush. Don't believe me? Do the research yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bus...

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/ne...

So blame Bush for screwing anyone over. It was his baby and he initiated it.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#157 Apr 17, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a moby in your spare time?
Seem to be confusing him with Huntsman Jr as well, I recall McCain being called an extremist back in 2008.
I didn't call him an extremist. You can't assume what some people say is what everyone says.

I have like John McCain for years and had always hoped he would run for president. Too bad for him he had an idiot for a running mate.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#158 Apr 17, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Because he's a Democrat in reality.
Yet you didn't vote for him, having fallen for the lies and the skin color of his opponent.
Wow...that's assuming a lot. Why do you insist on making such idiotic statements? Sometimes I think you're not happy until you have an argument on your hands.

Obama's color had nothing to do with my vote. His stance on many issues did. I also found Sarah Palin to be an absolute atrocity to politics and I think had McCain had a better running mate, he would have had a much better chance at winning the election. With that pick, it's almost as if the republican party sabotaged the vote. Talk to your people about that one.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#159 Apr 17, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow...that's assuming a lot. Why do you insist on making such idiotic statements? Sometimes I think you're not happy until you have an argument on your hands.
Obama's color had nothing to do with my vote. His stance on many issues did. I also found Sarah Palin to be an absolute atrocity to politics and I think had McCain had a better running mate, he would have had a much better chance at winning the election. With that pick, it's almost as if the republican party sabotaged the vote. Talk to your people about that one.
Your not terribly politically astute...Palin brought in more votes than you can imagine and saved McCain from being even more embarrassed. How can you call her an atrocity and not say a word about the racist, plagiarist, liar named Joe Biden?

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#160 Apr 17, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, NAFTA was initiated by George Herbert Walker Bush. Don't believe me? Do the research yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bus...
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/ne...
So blame Bush for screwing anyone over. It was his baby and he initiated it.
So, he initiated it? Clinton and his Democrat House and Senate could have shut it down cold:

Dec 8, 1993:
NAFTA signed into law

The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is signed into law by President Bill Clinton. Clinton said he hoped the agreement would encourage other nations to work toward a broader world-trade pact.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/na...

H R 3450 RECORDED VOTE 17-Nov-1993 10:36 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll575.xml

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 103rd Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.3450 )
Vote Number: 395 Vote Date: November 20, 1993, 07:28 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 3450 (North American Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act NAFTA Worker Security Act )
Measure Title: A bill to implement the North American Free Trade Agreement.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_ca...
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#161 Apr 17, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Palin brought in more votes than you can imagine and saved McCain from being even more embarrassed.
How can anyone taking anything seriously that was said by the person who wrote that?

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#162 Apr 17, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
How can anyone taking anything seriously that was said by the person who wrote that?
Newsflash: The right wing was about to sit that election out until Palin was placed on the ticket. We hated McCain more than Romney.
You're as stupid about politics as you are about history. The fact that you people defend Joe Biden is proof of your hypocrisy to boot.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#164 Apr 17, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Newsflash: The right wing was about to sit that election out until Palin was placed on the ticket. We hated McCain more than Romney.
You're as stupid about politics as you are about history. The fact that you people defend Joe Biden is proof of your hypocrisy to boot.
Recall that the only time when McCain was leading in the polls was the two weeks after the convention.

Thanks to Katie Couric and the manipulation of CBS, Palin was presented as incredibly stupid.

The record shows she was a competent executive, and her #2 won the highest total of any AK governor ever in 2010, which IMHO proves that the state only rejected the style not the substance.

Not to mention her 2012 primary picks were good. If Missouri had listened to her, Todd Akin would have not won the primary, and a third pro-life female senator would have been elected.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#165 Apr 17, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
Recall that the only time when McCain was leading in the polls was the two weeks after the convention.
Thanks to Katie Couric and the manipulation of CBS, Palin was presented as incredibly stupid.
The record shows she was a competent executive, and her #2 won the highest total of any AK governor ever in 2010, which IMHO proves that the state only rejected the style not the substance.
Not to mention her 2012 primary picks were good. If Missouri had listened to her, Todd Akin would have not won the primary, and a third pro-life female senator would have been elected.
Any time you folks get into a debate about how great Sarah Palin is, we win.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#166 Apr 17, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Any time you folks get into a debate about how great Sarah Palin is, we win.
No, you don't. Your lies are easily debunked. Now, let's see you defend the documented behavior of Joe Biden...racist, plagiarist and liar.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#167 Apr 17, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>No, you don't. Your lies are easily debunked. Now, let's see you defend the documented behavior of Joe Biden...racist, plagiarist and liar.
While Palin's career is basically unsalvagable if actual death panels (endorsed by Paul Krugman) don't happen soon, the record and all those documents the AP obsessed over prove she was effective.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/...

She defies the identity politics (I no longer reject using them) and that's why they took her down.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#169 Apr 17, 2013
FKAdukechereader wrote:
Tranposition denied that the Liverpool pathway existed...
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#170 Apr 17, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>So, he initiated it? Clinton and his Democrat House and Senate could have shut it down cold:
Dec 8, 1993:
NAFTA signed into law
The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is signed into law by President Bill Clinton. Clinton said he hoped the agreement would encourage other nations to work toward a broader world-trade pact.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/na...
H R 3450 RECORDED VOTE 17-Nov-1993 10:36 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll575.xml
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 103rd Congress - 1st Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.3450 )
Vote Number: 395 Vote Date: November 20, 1993, 07:28 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 3450 (North American Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act NAFTA Worker Security Act )
Measure Title: A bill to implement the North American Free Trade Agreement.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_ca...
Indeed. Since she doesn't like me citing articles, I'll just say that the unions went after Clinton heavily regarding NAFTA.
d pantz

United States

#171 Apr 17, 2013
Obama signed two trade agreements. Looks like unions won't be stopping any outsourcing with obama in office.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#172 Apr 18, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Your not terribly politically astute...Palin brought in more votes than you can imagine and saved McCain from being even more embarrassed. How can you call her an atrocity and not say a word about the racist, plagiarist, liar named Joe Biden?
Had Mr. McCain simply followed Nancy Reagan's advice and just said "no", he would have been elected.

Instead, he displayed a fatal lack of spine in dealing with party leadership that caused the electorate to turn away.

You're the one who's showing his ignorance.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#173 Apr 18, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
Recall that the only time when McCain was leading in the polls was the two weeks after the convention.
Thanks to Katie Couric and the manipulation of CBS, Palin was presented as incredibly stupid.
The record shows she was a competent executive, and her #2 won the highest total of any AK governor ever in 2010, which IMHO proves that the state only rejected the style not the substance.
Not to mention her 2012 primary picks were good. If Missouri had listened to her, Todd Akin would have not won the primary, and a third pro-life female senator would have been elected.
Palin did fine in a state that is Mayberry compared to New York City.

The GOP leadership had their heads up their rears when they forced her upon McCain.

Keep blaming Katie Couric and the "media" all you wish. Katie didn't have her hand behind Sarah's back like a vaudeville ventriloquist, Karl.

Ms. Palin look unprepared for the office as soon as her mouth opened and words started being emitted, no matter who was asking the questions.

Get your facts straight.

woof

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#174 Apr 18, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Palin did fine in a state that is Mayberry compared to New York City.
The GOP leadership had their heads up their rears when they forced her upon McCain.
Keep blaming Katie Couric and the "media" all you wish. Katie didn't have her hand behind Sarah's back like a vaudeville ventriloquist, Karl.
Ms. Palin look unprepared for the office as soon as her mouth opened and words started being emitted, no matter who was asking the questions.
Get your facts straight.
woof
The GOP hasn't won New York City, since 1924.

McCain selected Palin because they wanted female VP to pick up Clinton primary voters. The RNC is a feckless body who had little to do with the selection of her.

McCain wanted Lieberman as VP, the left hates him too, and I recall he was on the losing side previously.

They edited the interview, because they are biased. Why is it that you can bash Fox News as biased from end to end, but cannot understand that the rest of the MSM really is left wing?
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#175 Apr 18, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
The GOP hasn't won New York City, since 1924.
McCain selected Palin because they wanted female VP to pick up Clinton primary voters. The RNC is a feckless body who had little to do with the selection of her.
McCain wanted Lieberman as VP, the left hates him too, and I recall he was on the losing side previously.
They edited the interview, because they are biased. Why is it that you can bash Fox News as biased from end to end, but cannot understand that the rest of the MSM really is left wing?
You're trying to re-create history Karl.

I didn't say the GOP would win New York City Karl. I said Ms. Palin was unfit for the 2nd highest position of elected Federal executive authority. All you need to do is examine the election results to conclude that I'm not the only American who felt that way.

What's more, McCain caving to the Evangelical fundamentalists and selecting Palin spoke volumes about how he would make decisions in office if elected, and it rubbed a lot of voters, including me, the wrong way. This wasn't done in a vacuum. It was in the news, widely reported. Anyone following politics saw it.

"The selection was the culmination of a five-month process, described by McCain's inner circle and outside advisers in interviews this past weekend, and offers a glimpse into how McCain might make high-stakes decisions as president.

At the very least, the process reflects McCain's history of making fast, instinctive and sometimes risky decisions. "I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can," McCain wrote, with his top adviser Mark Salter, in his 2002 book, "Worth the Fighting For." "Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/world/ameri...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-09-03/palin-p...

Once she was selected, the spotlights were on. If you expect that the media would be doing the country a favor by throwing her softballs, and not asking tough questions, on the fly, so that voters can see what it is their thinking about investing in, I would have to say that you have some very unreasonable expectations about the role of the press.

woof
Neutral Party

Louisville, KY

#176 Apr 18, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, NAFTA was initiated by George Herbert Walker Bush. Don't believe me? Do the research yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bus...
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/ne...
So blame Bush for screwing anyone over. It was his baby and he initiated it.
This was from your post:

"While initial signing was possible during his term, negotiations made slow, but steady, progress. President Clinton would go on to make the passage of NAFTA a priority for his administration, despite its conservative and Republican roots"

Liberals just can't accept any responsibility for their leaders actions.

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