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#135 Apr 17, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Who do you consider "the right"? Do you consider the Tea Party the right? Because I've been hearing quite a bit of noise from them about this.
I guess what amuses me is that people didn't believe this technology didn't exist prior to any government acknowledgement. The government under any president of any political affiliation is going to do what it needs to do and that may include sacrificing the lives of Americans. We don't really have a say in whether or not drones are used. Not really.
The Tea Party is part of "the right" but not all of the right. Most observers would count John McCain as being on the right, though I don't. He has far different positions on drones.

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#136 Apr 17, 2013
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> it shouldn't include unemployment because its nothing like welfare.
No. Your employer pays a tax into unemployment every quarter to their state based on their 'experience', or how many employees they have laid off and have collected.

FUTA, or Federal Unemployment Tax is paid to the federal government by all employers annually via federal form 940. Expect that rate to rise.

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#137 Apr 17, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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I am ultra right wing an have been dead set agatinst drones used over the US. I am not a bog.fan of relying on them for intel on our enemies, the should be used in conjunction with men on the ground.
They often are. Many are equipped to send encrypted data for real-time monitoring. Just a bit of knowledge from previous project work I've done... and I AM a huge proponent of using them for enemy intel, for many reasons from technical to human economy.

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#138 Apr 17, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Number of blacks 39.8 and number of whites is 38.8 receiving government assistance ( which is termed welfare) just proves to me and millions of other Americans, that the business community told bold faced lies when they promised the jobs would follow those TEN YEARS of Bush tax cuts! It didn't happen, so why would we continue to give them even greater tax cuts when they are blatantly sending their companies to third world countries, even after getting tax cuts, loop holes, and government subsidies?
They have not been spurring any considerable economic growth. Never in the history of America has white unemployment been a few points below that of blacks. The writing is on the wall! Be thankful you have a job or are self employed and getting business. If the corporate tax were down to 9%, they'd still be bitching about the labor cost! Greed is ripping this country to shreds.
It can be argued jobs DID follow, however...

1) The jobs that came were NOT low-wage, entry-level jobs. A whole lotta high tech jobs and finance jobs came open during the Bush years. I know, I benefited from it. The technology sector was ape-sh!t in the post 9-11 period--mainly in the cyber security areas and digital commerce. But you can't enter without at minimum a BS or BA and certification or a solid resume showing good experience regarding discretion and decision-making skills and some engineering or solid math/logic background or business analysis skills.

2) The stats I posted somewhere else point to me something other than a racial divide. Because of the level of assistance provide in many states, I think it only encourages those unemployed/not employed with minimal skills to stay put--why bother getting an education or new skills if you can make more than minimum wage and get health care to boot?
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#139 Apr 17, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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They often are. Many are equipped to send encrypted data for real-time monitoring. Just a bit of knowledge from previous project work I've done... and I AM a huge proponent of using them for enemy intel, for many reasons from technical to human economy.
I know that. Technology however will never be as good as men on the ground. Taking video etc can only go so far. Now if we were to start going for complete destruction of an enemy territory that would be different.

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#140 Apr 17, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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I know that. Technology however will never be as good as men on the ground. Taking video etc can only go so far. Now if we were to start going for complete destruction of an enemy territory that would be different.
Agreed. But the intelligence they provide is invaluable. Especially in terrain or areas difficult to access or where it's difficult to discern dispersed movement or for intelligence that needs to be gathered over time. The drones unfortunately are not equipped for defensive or offensive action. The video is real-time, so if boots are positioned well, quick action can be had. A tool in the box so to speak.
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#141 Apr 17, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Agreed. But the intelligence they provide is invaluable. Especially in terrain or areas difficult to access or where it's difficult to discern dispersed movement or for intelligence that needs to be gathered over time. The drones unfortunately are not equipped for defensive or offensive action. The video is real-time, so if boots are positioned well, quick action can be had. A tool in the box so to speak.
The larger ones have offensive capabilities.
Neutral Party

Louisville, KY

#142 Apr 17, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Number of blacks 39.8 and number of whites is 38.8 receiving government assistance ( which is termed welfare) just proves to me and millions of other Americans, that the business community told bold faced lies when they promised the jobs would follow those TEN YEARS of Bush tax cuts! It didn't happen, so why would we continue to give them even greater tax cuts when they are blatantly sending their companies to third world countries, even after getting tax cuts, loop holes, and government subsidies?
They have not been spurring any considerable economic growth. Never in the history of America has white unemployment been a few points below that of blacks. The writing is on the wall! Be thankful you have a job or are self employed and getting business. If the corporate tax were down to 9%, they'd still be bitching about the labor cost! Greed is ripping this country to shreds.
Yup, it is always the Republican's fault. You think Obama's policies have anything to do with this? Going on 5 years and fewer working American's than 30 years ago. Think about Clinton supporting and signing NAFTA, the stimulus bill that paid back political donors. To blame it on the right or Republican tax cuts shows you are a low information voter that believes the crap coming out of democrats mouth.

Get a clue, both parties are screwing America!

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#143 Apr 17, 2013
Neutral Party wrote:
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Yup, it is always the Republican's fault. You think Obama's policies have anything to do with this? Going on 5 years and fewer working American's than 30 years ago. Think about Clinton supporting and signing NAFTA, the stimulus bill that paid back political donors. To blame it on the right or Republican tax cuts shows you are a low information voter that believes the crap coming out of democrats mouth.
Get a clue, both parties are screwing America!
Duh! As if I didn't know. Of course they're both Full of chit, but the Republicans who are low info voters as well have bought into the wealthy's mantra of lower 'their ' taxes and everything will right itself. That hasn't happened because Obama kept the cuts and the economy still lagged.

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#144 Apr 17, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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The larger ones have offensive capabilities.
True, and I should have clarified--I gave a simple response. The Israelis I think believe were the first to use armed UAVs, too...if we wanna see Bobby come out of the woodwork (and I might be wrong with that, but seem to remember this). But there are only three really in use. MQ-1 Predator, MQ-1C Sky Warrior, and MQ-9 Reaper. But they're not used unless it's a kind of hunt-kill mission.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#145 Apr 17, 2013
1) The jobs that came were NOT low-wage, entry-level jobs. A whole lotta high tech jobs and finance jobs came open during the Bush years. I know, I benefited from it. The technology sector was ape-sh!t in the post 9-11 period--mainly in the cyber security areas and digital commerce. But you can't enter without at minimum a BS or BA and certification or a solid resume showing good experience regarding discretion and decision-making skills and some engineering or solid math/logic background or business analysis skills.

That means 95% of the population will continue to be either unemployed or underemployed. Most kids in college are not studying advanced math, computer technology or engineering. Most of those jobs are going to foreign students after graduation.

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#146 Apr 17, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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True, and I should have clarified--I gave a simple response. The Israelis I think believe were the first to use armed UAVs, too...if we wanna see Bobby come out of the woodwork (and I might be wrong with that, but seem to remember this). But there are only three really in use. MQ-1 Predator, MQ-1C Sky Warrior, and MQ-9 Reaper. But they're not used unless it's a kind of hunt-kill mission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_...

Appears to have been Iran who used it first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aphrod...

This would be the first "drone"

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#147 Apr 17, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_...
Appears to have been Iran who used it first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aphrod...
This would be the first "drone"
Actually, a bit more googling brought me to this:

http://www.iar-gwu.org/node/144

Interesting. I honestly thought it was Israel, but I think we both may be wrong.

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#148 Apr 17, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
That means 95% of the population will continue to be either unemployed or underemployed. Most kids in college are not studying advanced math, computer technology or engineering. Most of those jobs are going to foreign students after graduation.
I'm not sure how you're coming up with that conclusion.

Most of the graduates in the US from colleges are still Americans. Foreigners comprise a minority of those graduating from US universities.

AND we were still talking just technology, not other areas of employment. So your earliest conclusion that most will remain unemployed is a non-sequitir.

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Westerville, OH

#149 Apr 17, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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The Tea Party is part of "the right" but not all of the right. Most observers would count John McCain as being on the right, though I don't. He has far different positions on drones.
That makes sense. He is the only republican I would have ever voted for for president.

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Westerville, OH

#150 Apr 17, 2013
Neutral Party wrote:
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Yup, it is always the Republican's fault. You think Obama's policies have anything to do with this? Going on 5 years and fewer working American's than 30 years ago. Think about Clinton supporting and signing NAFTA, the stimulus bill that paid back political donors. To blame it on the right or Republican tax cuts shows you are a low information voter that believes the crap coming out of democrats mouth.
Get a clue, both parties are screwing America!
NAFTA was initiated by George Bush. 1992. Ratified in 1993.

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Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#151 Apr 17, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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NAFTA was initiated by George Bush. 1992. Ratified in 1993.
Signed by Bill Clinton, 1993. Ratified by Democrat House and Democrat Senate, 1993.
Neutral Party

Louisville, KY

#152 Apr 17, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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NAFTA was initiated by George Bush. 1992. Ratified in 1993.
Who signed it? Slick Willy himself. Shows that he not only screws girls but all people.

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#153 Apr 17, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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That makes sense. He is the only republican I would have ever voted for for president.
Are you a moby in your spare time?

Seem to be confusing him with Huntsman Jr as well, I recall McCain being called an extremist back in 2008.

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#154 Apr 17, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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That makes sense. He is the only republican I would have ever voted for for president.
Because he's a Democrat in reality.
Yet you didn't vote for him, having fallen for the lies and the skin color of his opponent.

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