Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#82 Apr 6, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
What an idiotic statement.
Shall we infer that you believe all "white males" to be "good Christians" or just white, male murderers?
Sorry for not identifying my sarcasm as such Tippy. You'll just have to muddle through. I won't make accommodations for you.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#83 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
I meant no mention of Mr. McVeigh as a "Christian extremist". I believe he qualifies.
And your definition of terrorism doesn't fit mine. I can't think of a more heinous act of terrorism than shooting up an elementary school, for any reason.
http://www.terrorism-research.com/
woof
terrorism
noun (Concise Encyclopedia)

Systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.

Now, tell us the objectives of Harris and Klebold, Lanza and Lane.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#84 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
No, he was not.
http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php...
woof
Whatever one might think of the strengths or weaknesses of the moral equivalency argument, McVeigh is simply not a good example to use. People in the media need to find a better example.

Everyone who paid even surface-level attention to the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City would know that McVeigh was motivated by extreme hatred of the federal government, not Christianity. McVeigh rarely discussed religion. When he did, he did not indicate any motivation at all coming from religion. This is not something that could be said about the 9/11 bombers or Nidal Hasan.

For those curious about McVeigh’s views, I recommend “American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing.” Written by two journalists who corresponded with and covered McVeigh’s trial and execution, the book describes McVeigh as having somewhat complicated views, but the takeaway is probably best summarized by his quote “Science is my religion.” He was raised and even confirmed Catholic. But the book also describes him as avoiding worship while in the military, once visiting a Seventh Day Adventist congregation and finding it boring, and claiming that he lost touch with religion. Again, this does not sound like the Christian equivalent of Major Hasan or the 9/11 bombers.

Time magazine interviewed McVeigh about his religious views and he said he wasn’t terribly religious but did believe in a God. Shortly before he was executed, he accepted an offer to receive last rites from a priest. But he also sent a letter to the Buffalo News where he described himself as an agnostic but said he would adapt if it turned out there was an afterlife. Here’s how Dan Herbeck, one of the Buffalo News reporters, explained it it in an interview with ABC’s Sam Donaldson:

"Well, he is an agnostic. He doesn’t believe in God, but he has told us he doesn’t not believe in God. Death is part of his adventure, as he describes it to us. And he told us that when he finds out if there is an afterlife, he will improvise, adapt and overcome just like they taught him in the Army."

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2010...

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#85 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry for not identifying my sarcasm as such Tippy. You'll just have to muddle through. I won't make accommodations for you.
woof
Hmmm...seems like your "sarcasm" is lost on others beside me. Imagine that...

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#86 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Sorry for not identifying my sarcasm as such Tippy. You'll just have to muddle through. I won't make accommodations for you.
woof
It's not sarcasm; it's leftist derision.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#87 Apr 6, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
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terrorism
noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.
Now, tell us the objectives of Harris and Klebold, Lanza and Lane.
There are several differing definitions Paco. Not all of them limit it by requiring a political objective to be involved.

I would suggest to you that the definition you provide would not include acts performed by those with a particular religious objective/motivation. Sure you want that? It would skew your numbers, and exclude all of those acts by crazy muslims...you know?

Once again...I can think of no more heinous act, more precisely gauged to create "terror", than opening fire upon small children in an elementary school.

Try reading a little more.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#88 Apr 6, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever one might think of the strengths or weaknesses of the moral equivalency argument, McVeigh is simply not a good example to use. People in the media need to find a better example.
Everyone who paid even surface-level attention to the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City would know that McVeigh was motivated by extreme hatred of the federal government, not Christianity. McVeigh rarely discussed religion. When he did, he did not indicate any motivation at all coming from religion. This is not something that could be said about the 9/11 bombers or Nidal Hasan.
For those curious about McVeigh’s views, I recommend “American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing.” Written by two journalists who corresponded with and covered McVeigh’s trial and execution, the book describes McVeigh as having somewhat complicated views, but the takeaway is probably best summarized by his quote “Science is my religion.” He was raised and even confirmed Catholic. But the book also describes him as avoiding worship while in the military, once visiting a Seventh Day Adventist congregation and finding it boring, and claiming that he lost touch with religion. Again, this does not sound like the Christian equivalent of Major Hasan or the 9/11 bombers.
Time magazine interviewed McVeigh about his religious views and he said he wasn’t terribly religious but did believe in a God. Shortly before he was executed, he accepted an offer to receive last rites from a priest. But he also sent a letter to the Buffalo News where he described himself as an agnostic but said he would adapt if it turned out there was an afterlife. Here’s how Dan Herbeck, one of the Buffalo News reporters, explained it it in an interview with ABC’s Sam Donaldson:
"Well, he is an agnostic. He doesn’t believe in God, but he has told us he doesn’t not believe in God. Death is part of his adventure, as he describes it to us. And he told us that when he finds out if there is an afterlife, he will improvise, adapt and overcome just like they taught him in the Army."
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2010...
And he was infatuated with The Turner Diaries because of his atheism, huh Paco?

Those interviews were done long after the bombings, when he had the podium. You think he was telling the truth? He blatantly admits he wasn't.

Do some reading.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#89 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
There are several differing definitions Paco. Not all of them limit it by requiring a political objective to be involved.
I would suggest to you that the definition you provide would not include acts performed by those with a particular religious objective/motivation. Sure you want that? It would skew your numbers, and exclude all of those acts by crazy muslims...you know?
Once again...I can think of no more heinous act, more precisely gauged to create "terror", than opening fire upon small children in an elementary school.
Try reading a little more.
woof
Islam is a socio-political system with religion as a controlling component. That's a fact.
You leftists will call "bullying" terrorism any day now...

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#90 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
And he was infatuated with The Turner Diaries because of his atheism, huh Paco?
Those interviews were done long after the bombings, when he had the podium. You think he was telling the truth? He blatantly admits he wasn't.
Do some reading.
woof
LOL! "McVeigh lied!" says Douche.
That's really all you've got.

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#91 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
And he was infatuated with The Turner Diaries because of his atheism, huh Paco?
Those interviews were done long after the bombings, when he had the podium. You think he was telling the truth? He blatantly admits he wasn't.
Do some reading.
woof
He also said he had no help during the interviews?

Was he lying and was Padilla and Ramzi Yousef involved?

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#92 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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There are several differing definitions Paco. Not all of them limit it by requiring a political objective to be involved.
I would suggest to you that the definition you provide would not include acts performed by those with a particular religious objective/motivation. Sure you want that? It would skew your numbers, and exclude all of those acts by crazy muslims...you know?
Once again...I can think of no more heinous act, more precisely gauged to create "terror", than opening fire upon small children in an elementary school.
Try reading a little more.
woof
Beslan does apply, that was an attack with political motivations.

If you do not have a political/religious goal in the attack, it is not terrorism.

Just because it is "terror" doesn't make it terrorism.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#93 Apr 6, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>LOL! "McVeigh lied!" says Douche.
That's really all you've got.
Why did Mr. McVeigh sleep with a copy of the "Turner Diaries" under his pillow, sell them at gun shows, and treat it as his "bible"?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#94 Apr 6, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Islam is a socio-political system with religion as a controlling component. That's a fact.
You leftists will call "bullying" terrorism any day now...
The same may be said for Christianity.

School shootings are acts of terrorism, whether you wish to admit it or not. They're usually committed by young white Christians. Those are facts.

woof

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Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#95 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Why did Mr. McVeigh sleep with a copy of the "Turner Diaries" under his pillow, sell them at gun shows, and treat it as his "bible"?
woof
I like "Atlas Shrugged" and I'm Catholic.
See how that works?

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#96 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Why did Mr. McVeigh sleep with a copy of the "Turner Diaries" under his pillow, sell them at gun shows, and treat it as his "bible"?
woof
Because that's what all good, Christian, white males do...right, Duke?

/s

Claiming to be a Christian...or anything, for that matter...doesn't make you one.

And the Left's assertion that someone is a Christian...or anything, for that matter...doesn't make that person one.

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#97 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
The same may be said for Christianity.
School shootings are acts of terrorism, whether you wish to admit it or not. They're usually committed by young white Christians. Those are facts.
woof
Again, you prove your idiocy.

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#98 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
The same may be said for Christianity.
School shootings are acts of terrorism, whether you wish to admit it or not. They're usually committed by young white Christians. Those are facts.
woof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_s...

You might get a plurality, but there appears to be a substantial non white presence.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#99 Apr 6, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
Beslan does apply, that was an attack with political motivations.
If you do not have a political/religious goal in the attack, it is not terrorism.
Just because it is "terror" doesn't make it terrorism.
That's simply not true.

http://www.azdema.gov/museum/famousbattles/pd...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_t...

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/terrorism/wel...

http://terrorism.about.com/od/whatisterroris1...

woof

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Since: Jan 13

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#100 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Why did Mr. McVeigh sleep with a copy of the "Turner Diaries" under his pillow, sell them at gun shows, and treat it as his "bible"?
woof
It's a book about bombing things in a revolution.

McVeigh bombed a building, he got the idea from the book.

The Unabomber had Al Gore's book with him.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#101 Apr 6, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Because that's what all good, Christian, white males do...right, Duke?
/s
Claiming to be a Christian...or anything, for that matter...doesn't make you one.
And the Left's assertion that someone is a Christian...or anything, for that matter...doesn't make that person one.
I said the school shootings were for the most part performed by Christian white males. I threw in the word "good" for sarcastic effect.

I'm not sorry that you don't like the truth.

woof

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