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Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#42 Apr 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What in that training do you think isn't true?
"But according to Trowbridge's letter, Kluczynski went much further, including "those who believe America was founded on godly principles, Christians who take the Bible literally, and 'fundamentalists'."
"Kluczynski did not explain what he meant by 'fundamentalists' but from the context it was clear he was referring again to those who took the Bible literally or 'too seriously,'” he added.
These people, Kluczynski reportedly said, have a right to their beliefs, but needed to be monitored by law enforcement authorities."

That's your idea of America? Where the faithful are subject to surveillance?
And you wonder why the rumblings you decry have commenced...
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#43 Apr 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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I was responding directly to tip, who started the thread with an article citing Gellar and Jihad Watch.
CORRECTION: Meant to quote this post.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#44 Apr 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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So--it would be your stance that the military press was mis-reporting when they said is was a single unauthorized incident?
As a government drone, you should be well-acquainted with standard CYA procedures.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#45 Apr 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
So--it would be your stance that the military press was mis-reporting when they said is was a single unauthorized incident?
They followed orders from above...that's what soldiers do, whether employing a weapon or a keyboard.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#46 Apr 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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From your article:
The report identified as possibly dangerous “those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely.”
This would be something with which you have a problem?
Your middle name is Obtuse.

"...their recent “Threat of Right-Wing Extremism” report, which says those who oppose abortion, gun control, and immigration laws pose a potential threat to national security."

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#47 Apr 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Again:
Trowbridge, a law enforcement officer with many years of experience, told Ahle that he recently attended a training session in La Junta, Colo., where, he says, Colorado State Patrol Trooper Joe Kluczynski gave a 2-hour presentation on the "sovereign citizen" movement.
"Kluczynski spent most of his two hours focusing on how, in his view and apparently the view of Homeland Security, people turn to the sovereign citizen movement," he wrote.
According to the FBI, the "sovereign citizen movement" is made up of "anti-government extremists who believe that even though they physically reside in this country, they are separate or 'sovereign' from the United States."
These people, the FBI says, do not believe they have to answer to any government authority and can cause a number of problems for law enforcement authorities.
This would be something you have a problem with? These are the kinds of folks who have been known to fire on police making a traffic stop.
The "fringed flag" guys are a fringe movement. The amount of fear that is spread over them is funny, Islamic terrorists have killed far more people in this country in the last three years than they have.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#48 Apr 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Again:
Trowbridge, a law enforcement officer with many years of experience, told Ahle that he recently attended a training session in La Junta, Colo., where, he says, Colorado State Patrol Trooper Joe Kluczynski gave a 2-hour presentation on the "sovereign citizen" movement.
"Kluczynski spent most of his two hours focusing on how, in his view and apparently the view of Homeland Security, people turn to the sovereign citizen movement," he wrote.
According to the FBI, the "sovereign citizen movement" is made up of "anti-government extremists who believe that even though they physically reside in this country, they are separate or 'sovereign' from the United States."
These people, the FBI says, do not believe they have to answer to any government authority and can cause a number of problems for law enforcement authorities.
This would be something you have a problem with? These are the kinds of folks who have been known to fire on police making a traffic stop.
Correction: Your first name is Obtuse.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#49 Apr 6, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>
"But according to Trowbridge's letter, Kluczynski went much further, including "those who believe America was founded on godly principles, Christians who take the Bible literally, and 'fundamentalists'."
"Kluczynski did not explain what he meant by 'fundamentalists' but from the context it was clear he was referring again to those who took the Bible literally or 'too seriously,'” he added.
These people, Kluczynski reportedly said, have a right to their beliefs, but needed to be monitored by law enforcement authorities."
That's your idea of America? Where the faithful are subject to surveillance?
And you wonder why the rumblings you decry have commenced...
Perhaps you're doing what you always do Paco?

You don't think there are paranoid fundamentalist Christians who should be closely monitored?

I sure do. The folks injured in Atlanta a few years back would likely agree with me.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#50 Apr 6, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Your middle name is Obtuse.
"...their recent “Threat of Right-Wing Extremism” report, which says those who oppose abortion, gun control, and immigration laws pose a potential threat to national security."
They do pose such a threat. There's nothing incorrect about that statement whatsoever.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#51 Apr 6, 2013
Some of them, not all.

woof

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#52 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Perhaps you're doing what you always do Paco?
You don't think there are paranoid fundamentalist Christians who should be closely monitored?
I sure do. The folks injured in Atlanta a few years back would likely agree with me.
woof
That letter goes beyond the Eric Rudolphs of the world. It mentions millions of everyday Americans.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#53 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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They do pose such a threat. There's nothing incorrect about that statement whatsoever.
woof
Then come and get us...round us up and rev up the FEMA camps.
Are you so clueless that you don't realize by your standards, fully 70% of the American population of 50 years ago were a "threat to national security"?
You are insane.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#54 Apr 6, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>
"But according to Trowbridge's letter, Kluczynski went much further, including "those who believe America was founded on godly principles, Christians who take the Bible literally, and 'fundamentalists'."
"Kluczynski did not explain what he meant by 'fundamentalists' but from the context it was clear he was referring again to those who took the Bible literally or 'too seriously,'” he added.
These people, Kluczynski reportedly said, have a right to their beliefs, but needed to be monitored by law enforcement authorities."
That's your idea of America? Where the faithful are subject to surveillance?
And you wonder why the rumblings you decry have commenced...
He was clearly describing the "sovereign citizen" folks. That is an accurate description of the vast majority of that group.

I didn't see anything in that post that indicated that those people were to be subject of surveillance. Monitored and surveillance are different things.

That being said, I am against the government infiltrating those groups. Just as I was against the government infiltrating liberal goups after 9/11. Something makes me think you weren't so upset about that.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#55 Apr 6, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>That letter goes beyond the Eric Rudolphs of the world. It mentions millions of everyday Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Office_f...

This is what they are looking for. Go after your political opponents.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#56 Apr 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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They do pose such a threat. There's nothing incorrect about that statement whatsoever.
woof
It amounts to the Progressives' first move in the effort to criminalize Christianity.

Meanwhile, the Religion of Peace proceeds as usual:

20,651 deadly terror attacks since 9/11 [as of today]
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#57 Apr 6, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>That letter goes beyond the Eric Rudolphs of the world. It mentions millions of everyday Americans.
No it doesn't. You are failing logic again.

Sovereign citizen people are also generally fundamentalist Christians. That doesn't mean that Fundamentalist Christians are all Sovereign citizen people. It's really not that tricky.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#58 Apr 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
No it doesn't. You are failing logic again.
Sovereign citizen people are also generally fundamentalist Christians. That doesn't mean that Fundamentalist Christians are all Sovereign citizen people. It's really not that tricky.
Then you can quit your crying about the way some of us think of Muzzies. Let's put every last one of them under the microscope as well.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#59 Apr 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
He was clearly describing the "sovereign citizen" folks. That is an accurate description of the vast majority of that group.
I didn't see anything in that post that indicated that those people were to be subject of surveillance. Monitored and surveillance are different things.
That being said, I am against the government infiltrating those groups. Just as I was against the government infiltrating liberal goups after 9/11. Something makes me think you weren't so upset about that.
BS:

"Kluczynski did not explain what he meant by 'fundamentalists' but from the context it was clear he was referring again to those who took the Bible literally or 'too seriously,'” he added.
These people, Kluczynski reportedly said, have a right to their beliefs, but needed to be monitored by law enforcement authorities."

Who is anyone from the government to decide who takes the Bible "too seriously"?

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#60 Apr 6, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
It amounts to the Progressives' first move in the effort to criminalize Christianity.
Meanwhile, the Religion of Peace proceeds as usual:
20,651 deadly terror attacks since 9/11 [as of today]
Agreed...we've seen this movie before.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#61 Apr 6, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Office_f...
This is what they are looking for. Go after your political opponents.
Yep. And look at the "crimes" they can run you in for:

Disparagement of

the Federal President (Section 90).
the State and its Symbols (Section 90a).

Insult to Organs and Representatives of Foreign States (Section 103).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speec...

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