The Myth of Equal Opportunity

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#104 Feb 19, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Do you know how many hours teachers spend attempting to call parents of struggling students?
Do you know how many times those calls are not returned?
Do you know how many parents simply don't care, or make excuses for their children's behavior/performance?
Didn't think so.
The reality is, tip, that when a school is running over half of kids below grade level or non-proficient, or less than expected on the value-added scale, whatever, individual calls to individual parents are not the solution that is most likely to yield results. That is a case that calls for more comprehensive changes. Because the school is not adequately meeting the needs of its population.

From the other side of the coin, do you know how many parents attempt to reach teachers because they have concerns about how their child is doing and either don't get a return call, don't get a return call in a timely fashion, have to leave a message with a student, or simply cannot get anyone to answer the phone at all?

And while we are at it, how many people do you know who rely solely on telephone calls any more (or handwritten notes intended to be hand-delivered by elementary-aged children)? But even with more appropriate means of communication, if there is no relationship of mutual respect, don't expect too much. And the time to start building that relationship is not when a student (or teacher) starts having problems.

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#105 Feb 19, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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I don't mean to infer that there are not problems with teachers, but the main problem is parents.
The Cleveland schools and the Medina County Schools, draw from the same pool of teachers, the difference is in the culture of the parents.
There are ways that one can rectify some of that, through heavy discipline, but this is politically incorrect and considered racist.
The teachers have complained that they are being bullied, so I'm going to lay off them. I'm targeting the parents for accountability now.
Better to just leave off bullying altogether.

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#106 Feb 19, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The reality is, tip, that when a school is running over half of kids below grade level or non-proficient, or less than expected on the value-added scale, whatever, individual calls to individual parents are not the solution that is most likely to yield results. That is a case that calls for more comprehensive changes. Because the school is not adequately meeting the needs of its population.
From the other side of the coin, do you know how many parents attempt to reach teachers because they have concerns about how their child is doing and either don't get a return call, don't get a return call in a timely fashion, have to leave a message with a student, or simply cannot get anyone to answer the phone at all?
And while we are at it, how many people do you know who rely solely on telephone calls any more (or handwritten notes intended to be hand-delivered by elementary-aged children)? But even with more appropriate means of communication, if there is no relationship of mutual respect, don't expect too much. And the time to start building that relationship is not when a student (or teacher) starts having problems.
The apathy begins in grade school.
Teachers utilize telephone and e-mail to contact parents.
But they can't make parents respond.
And it's not the teachers' fault.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

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#107 Feb 19, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Better to just leave off bullying altogether.
Better in your opinion to simply demand higher taxes and think that wishes away the problem.

There is a problem, and it's someones fault.

We can blame the students, they have an accountability, we call that grades.

We can demand new metrics for staff or for parents.

People will charge any critcism as bullying, I am not concerned about the feelings of the degenerate culture or the corrupt unions.

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#108 Feb 19, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't mean to infer that there are not problems with teachers, but the main problem is parents.
The Cleveland schools and the Medina County Schools, draw from the same pool of teachers, the difference is in the culture of the parents.
There are ways that one can rectify some of that, through heavy discipline, but this is politically incorrect and considered racist.
The teachers have complained that they are being bullied, so I'm going to lay off them. I'm targeting the parents for accountability now.
You might want to check into the rate of teacher turnover in some of the lowest performing Cleveland Schools. In some schools it is as high as 50%. And not because teachers are eager to leave. It is because the poorer performing schools tend to have more new teachers--hence those first to be laid off in the annual downsizing every spring. Over the summer retirements are figured in and folks are called back. But they don't just go back to where they were. The longer this goes on, the worse it gets. Not only is it very difficult to implement reform or build any kind of professional team, but it is the same schools on the bottom getting hit over and over again.

Everything isn't about good vs bad teachers.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

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#109 Feb 19, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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The apathy begins in grade school.
Teachers utilize telephone and e-mail to contact parents.
But they can't make parents respond.
And it's not the teachers' fault.
We can threaten the SNAP access if parents don't get improvement to D average, the minimum to pass.

Or the unemployment benefits, TANF.

That makes an effect, but Reader's ilk call it "bullying" to want accountability, they just want more money, more taxes from whitey, to buy the votes from Third Worlders.

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#110 Feb 19, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
The apathy begins in grade school.
Teachers utilize telephone and e-mail to contact parents.
But they can't make parents respond.
And it's not the teachers' fault.
Actually what you are calling "apathy" is more likely to appear around middle school. And there are lots of reasons. Kids are far less likely to want their parents around, hence less likely to carry messages. Typically a new building, new staff, etc so relationship-building has to start all over. And because so many of the kids look more grown, there is a tendancy to believe that they are.

It's about R-E-S-P-E-C-T, tip. And you can't get there by blaming all the problems on parents.

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#111 Feb 19, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
The apathy begins in grade school.
Teachers utilize telephone and e-mail to contact parents.
But they can't make parents respond.
And it's not the teachers' fault.
Are you a teacher?

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

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#112 Feb 19, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You might want to check into the rate of teacher turnover in some of the lowest performing Cleveland Schools. In some schools it is as high as 50%. And not because teachers are eager to leave. It is because the poorer performing schools tend to have more new teachers--hence those first to be laid off in the annual downsizing every spring. Over the summer retirements are figured in and folks are called back. But they don't just go back to where they were. The longer this goes on, the worse it gets. Not only is it very difficult to implement reform or build any kind of professional team, but it is the same schools on the bottom getting hit over and over again.
Everything isn't about good vs bad teachers.
Wonder why population keeps dropping

Abortion
People hate living in urban wastelands, ruined by Third World leftist leadership

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#113 Feb 19, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Actually what you are calling "apathy" is more likely to appear around middle school. And there are lots of reasons. Kids are far less likely to want their parents around, hence less likely to carry messages. Typically a new building, new staff, etc so relationship-building has to start all over. And because so many of the kids look more grown, there is a tendancy to believe that they are.
It's about R-E-S-P-E-C-T, tip. And you can't get there by blaming all the problems on parents.
BS.
Students don't have to "carry" telephone calls and/or e-mails, texts, etc.

You simply refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming apathy of certain cultures in regard to education.
However, academic achievement/graduation rates are the proof.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#114 Feb 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>"Helping others"? As an attorney? You must be joking. You're part of an industry that profits from misery and deliberate damage to society.
I see plenty of "belittling" directed against those who have the "gall" to hold opinions different from your own. You're just another Reader when it comes to self-righteous hypocrisy.
Yes Paco, helping others is how I earn my living. I realize that in your small mind such a scenario is an impossibility, but I can assure you that its the truth, and my basis for saying so is the thanks I regularly receive from current and former clients.

My clients arrive at my door in times of grave personal crises, and I can usually help them get through those times by minimizing the chances that those circumstances are exacerbated and become worse. If I profit from their misery at all, that's how I do it, and I enjoy it.

As for why I might be inclined to become a bit snarky with a particular poster or two here, it isn't because they hold a different opinion than I. To the contrary, I enjoy civil argument.

There's a reason you and the pejorative kings get special treatment, and it isn't because you're white or so called "conservative". How anyone could revel in the misery caused by an OVI highway death for instance is beyond my comprehension, but that's the sort of tasteless thing certain "religious" people here do on a regular basis without giving it a second thought.

And so it goes.

woof

woof

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#115 Feb 19, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Yes Paco, helping others is how I earn my living. I realize that in your small mind such a scenario is an impossibility, but I can assure you that its the truth, and my basis for saying so is the thanks I regularly receive from current and former clients.
My clients arrive at my door in times of grave personal crises, and I can usually help them get through those times by minimizing the chances that those circumstances are exacerbated and become worse. If I profit from their misery at all, that's how I do it, and I enjoy it.
As for why I might be inclined to become a bit snarky with a particular poster or two here, it isn't because they hold a different opinion than I. To the contrary, I enjoy civil argument.
There's a reason you and the pejorative kings get special treatment, and it isn't because you're white or so called "conservative". How anyone could revel in the misery caused by an OVI highway death for instance is beyond my comprehension, but that's the sort of tasteless thing certain "religious" people here do on a regular basis without giving it a second thought.
And so it goes.
woof
woof
You wouldn't know civil argument if it bit you on the ass. You're simply a leftist bag of hate, which is fine. But your hypocrisy is beyond the pale.

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#116 Feb 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>You wouldn't know civil argument if it bit you on the ass. You're simply a leftist bag of hate, which is fine. But your hypocrisy is beyond the pale.
The left doesn't need rules, we do, and then they Alinsky us on having them.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#117 Feb 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>You wouldn't know civil argument if it bit you on the ass. You're simply a leftist bag of hate, which is fine. But your hypocrisy is beyond the pale.
Hearty thanks for your well reasoned position, comrade. Its always a pleasure hearing your thoughts.

woof

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#118 Feb 19, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Hearty thanks for your well reasoned position, comrade. Its always a pleasure hearing your thoughts.
woof
Truth really has a negative impact on you, douche. That's how we know you're a "lawyer."

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#119 Feb 19, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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The left doesn't need rules, we do, and then they Alinsky us on having them.
Is it painful to be Alinskied?

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#120 Feb 19, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Is it painful to be Alinskied?
Instead of using icons, why don't you get on your knees before "Douche," dear.

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#121 Feb 19, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Is it painful to be Alinskied?
Alinskyed, spell it right

It's been the left's tactics for years.

Your side's equivalent is "Rovian tactics"
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#122 Feb 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Truth really has a negative impact on you, douche. That's how we know you're a "lawyer."
You're really losing it now aren't you Paco?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#123 Feb 19, 2013
Poor poor Paco...he hath no reasoned response in his cranium.

Good night Paco. See you tomorrow.

woof

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