The Myth of Equal Opportunity

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Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#1 Feb 18, 2013
Nayalia

Englewood, OH

#2 Feb 18, 2013

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#3 Feb 18, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytim es.com/2013/02/16/equal-opport unity-our-national-myth/
Unleash the barbs.
woof
Thank you!

I think that this, from the article, is key to what is happening:

Discrimination, however, is only a small part of the picture. Probably the most important reason for lack of equality of opportunity is education: both its quantity and quality. After World War II, Europe made a major effort to democratize its education systems. We did, too, with the G.I. Bill, which extended higher education to Americans across the economic spectrum.

But then we changed, in several ways. While racial segregation decreased, economic segregation increased. After 1980, the poor grew poorer, the middle stagnated, and the top did better and better. Disparities widened between those living in poor localities and those living in rich suburbs — or rich enough to send their kids to private schools. A result was a widening gap in educational performance — the achievement gap between rich and poor kids born in 2001 was 30 to 40 percent larger than it was for those born 25 years earlier, the Stanford sociologist Sean F. Reardon found.

Of course, there are other forces at play, some of which start even before birth. Children in affluent families get more exposure to reading and less exposure to environmental hazards. Their families can afford enriching experiences like music lessons and summer camp. They get better nutrition and health care, which enhance their learning, directly and indirectly.

Unless current trends in education are reversed, the situation is likely to get even worse. In some cases it seems as if policy has actually been designed to reduce opportunity: government support for many state schools has been steadily gutted over the last few decades — and especially in the last few years. Meanwhile, students are crushed by giant student loan debts that are almost impossible to discharge, even in bankruptcy. This is happening at the same time that a college education is more important than ever for getting a good job.

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#4 Feb 18, 2013
It seems that this is somewhat responsive to the folks on another thread who were unconcerned about a widening income gap. This strikes me as a key indicator of social and economic dysfunction--even for those who dismiss equal opportunity as having any real value.

Tinkering with minimum wage and tax structure can have some immediate impact, however, unless we make needed investments in education (no--this does not mean "throwing money" at schools), as well as health care, we are not likely to make progress in the arena of opportunity, but we are also likely to lose our economic competitiveness.

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#5 Feb 18, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Thank you!
I think that this, from the article, is key to what is happening:
Discrimination, however, is only a small part of the picture. Probably the most important reason for lack of equality of opportunity is education: both its quantity and quality. After World War II, Europe made a major effort to democratize its education systems. We did, too, with the G.I. Bill, which extended higher education to Americans across the economic spectrum.
But then we changed, in several ways. While racial segregation decreased, economic segregation increased. After 1980, the poor grew poorer, the middle stagnated, and the top did better and better. Disparities widened between those living in poor localities and those living in rich suburbs — or rich enough to send their kids to private schools. A result was a widening gap in educational performance — the achievement gap between rich and poor kids born in 2001 was 30 to 40 percent larger than it was for those born 25 years earlier, the Stanford sociologist Sean F. Reardon found.
Of course, there are other forces at play, some of which start even before birth. Children in affluent families get more exposure to reading and less exposure to environmental hazards. Their families can afford enriching experiences like music lessons and summer camp. They get better nutrition and health care, which enhance their learning, directly and indirectly.
Unless current trends in education are reversed, the situation is likely to get even worse. In some cases it seems as if policy has actually been designed to reduce opportunity: government support for many state schools has been steadily gutted over the last few decades — and especially in the last few years. Meanwhile, students are crushed by giant student loan debts that are almost impossible to discharge, even in bankruptcy. This is happening at the same time that a college education is more important than ever for getting a good job.
More people are in college than ever, and the degree's value continues to decline.

Rick Perry's 10K degrees look a lot better than when the left was bashing them last year...

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#6 Feb 18, 2013
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More people are in college than ever, and the degree's value continues to decline.
Rick Perry's 10K degrees look a lot better than when the left was bashing them last year...
Value declines due to wage stagnation.

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#7 Feb 18, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Value declines due to wage stagnation.
In the real world we call it "supply and demand"

Number of degrees up, value of degree down

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#8 Feb 18, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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In the real world we call it "supply and demand"
Number of degrees up, value of degree down
And the exponential rise in top salaries is the result of what, exactly?

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#9 Feb 18, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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And the exponential rise in top salaries is the result of what, exactly?
The pool of people that can manage a Fortune 500 corporation is small. Demand is high.

The Treasury appreciates their large compensation packages, as does your beloved transfer programs to buy votes with.

If one thinks that management of a certain corporation is paid out of proportion compared to the job they are doing, then they can instruct the board of director's to cut salary at the shareholder's meeting. We have many large pension funds tied up in most corporations, presumably they have no problem with executive pay levels.

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#10 Feb 18, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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The pool of people that can manage a Fortune 500 corporation is small. Demand is high.
The Treasury appreciates their large compensation packages, as does your beloved transfer programs to buy votes with.
If one thinks that management of a certain corporation is paid out of proportion compared to the job they are doing, then they can instruct the board of director's to cut salary at the shareholder's meeting. We have many large pension funds tied up in most corporations, presumably they have no problem with executive pay levels.
Then it would behoove wise companies to enhance their capabilities of growing their own--rather than perpetuating the constant churning that has led to ever higher salaries.

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#11 Feb 18, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Then it would behoove wise companies to enhance their capabilities of growing their own--rather than perpetuating the constant churning that has led to ever higher salaries.
It also often leads to necessary vision being brought in from outside a stagnant corporate culture to save it in many cases. I'll give you two well known examples: Lee Iacocca and Jack Welch.

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#12 Feb 18, 2013
Scratch Jack Welch...he was a GE lifer. My mistake. But Iacocca went from Ford to Chrysler and saved it (which in the long run was truly a shame for the US taxpayer and the car buying public.)
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#13 Feb 18, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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In the real world we call it "supply and demand"
Number of degrees up, value of degree down
Oh NOES! Even if it's from Colby College 30 years ago? Say it ain't so.

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#14 Feb 18, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Then it would behoove wise companies to enhance their capabilities of growing their own--rather than perpetuating the constant churning that has led to ever higher salaries.
Something tells me that you aren't going to be hired by them as a consultant, but good luck at that.

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#15 Feb 18, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
Scratch Jack Welch...he was a GE lifer. My mistake. But Iacocca went from Ford to Chrysler and saved it (which in the long run was truly a shame for the US taxpayer and the car buying public.)
Ford was saved by bringing in Alan Mulally from Boeing
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#16 Feb 18, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Oh NOES! Even if it's from Colby College 30 years ago? Say it ain't so.
I saw one in the "barter" section of Craigslist the other day. Guy was asking for goats or layers in return.

woof

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#17 Feb 18, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I saw one in the "barter" section of Craigslist the other day. Guy was asking for goats or layers in return.
woof
It must have been a degree in Gender Studies or Black Studies.
Moshe in Zinncinnati

Englewood, OH

#18 Feb 18, 2013
Nayalia wrote:
That's a lot of grievance psychobabble issuing from US state sponsored universities.

Is there a chance that the federales had a hand in all of that psychobable justifying privilege for Diversity people?

It seems to me the Diversity honchos are a bunch of victim-cult people.

Maybe thats why US Diversity leaders regularly trek on a pilgrimage to the mothership in Israel? They need to get the latest dose of US taxpayer financed psychobable, huh?

http://www.israelsituation.com/embracing-isra...

Diversity people are a super-majority of the US and Israeli populace. Perhaps that's why Diversity people always bleet for more privilege served up by the federales.

In Israel the privileges for jewish Diversity are unbelieveable!

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#19 Feb 18, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>It must have been a degree in Gender Studies or Black Studies.
Them.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#20 Feb 18, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>It must have been a degree in Gender Studies or Black Studies.
No, it wasn't.

http://columbus.craigslist.org/bar/3626921466...

woof

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