Births to unmarried moms still climbing

Births to unmarried moms still climbing

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Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#21 May 2, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the one whining about the expense and social problems of the black underclass. There is an easy and cost-effective solution to that and you whine about that too.
Agreed.

One Five Hundred Dollar abortion voucher is cheaper than 18 years of public school, welfare, food stamps and four years of college.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#22 May 2, 2013
^^^

Not to mention the lifetime of ObamaPhones taxpayers are on the tab for.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#23 May 2, 2013
Hell, at $20 a month an ObamaPhone costs $240 a year.

An abortion costs $350 to $950 in the first trimester at Planned Parenthood.

A one to four year return of investment based on the cost of an ObamaPhone alone.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#24 May 2, 2013
rowdy01 wrote:
<quoted text>
Whites are deadbeat dads, blacks are baby daddies. They are the same type of irresponsible a-holes, whatever their race, creed or color.
Spot on, Rowdy. But the man doesn't get pregnant. If they did, it would be a sparsley populated planet. The final responsibility is on the girl/woman.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#25 May 2, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
You assume that all fathers not married to their children's mother don't support their kids? That's kind of ignorant.
No, you are putting words into my mouth. That's downright ignorant.
They cannot kill a Spook

Taylor, MI

#26 May 2, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
Wish my mom had aborted me.
Have you tried poking your temple with a coat hanger while hold a shop vac next to the wound you are making?
VADoc

United States

#27 May 3, 2013
Well duh!!!????

Why would they get married when they can get more welfare, foodstamps, and social services if they are single. They can also still get play money from the baby daddies if they are in the picture. It's just good old fraud and the gimme culture and the entitlement culture cuts across all races.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#28 May 3, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't have it, just like you can't have your own country.
And we are talking about elective abortion for people who are unable to afford children without government assistance, not extermination camps.
Not that simple. You are assuming that a fifteen-year-old finds that they are pregnant, says oops and has a procedure to get back on track with life. Both contraception and abortion are somewhat available, as they should be--and as they should remain, contrary to the efforts of many on the far right.

But, without the option of an "on-track" life to begin with, many such fifteen-year-olds simply embrace the pregnancy. They have little notion of giving up anything that might otherwise be theirs should they not give birth. This is true even in some families where the adults work very hard to instill notions of hard work, valuing education and foregoing immediate pleasure for better things later on. Because the reality is that it takes a good bit more than a family.

When the surrounding systems are still tailored to producing a future generation of laborers in roughly the same percentages (regarding manual vs trained vs educated laborers) as in the 19th and 20th centuries, it is unlikely that the majority will be able to independently rise above.

Result: among an impoverished class we see birth patterns more closely aligned to an early industrial age and a glut of surplus males who end up incarcerated at an early age. Our current needs involve delayed child-bearing and extended periods of education and training. To the extent that our out-of-date systems do not provide, we are increasingly dependent on importing foreign workers, or exporting the work to other countries. Take care of these problems, ensure availability of contraception and abortion when needed, and the birth patterns are likely to take care of themselves.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#29 May 3, 2013
VADoc wrote:
Well duh!!!????
Why would they get married when they can get more welfare, foodstamps, and social services if they are single. They can also still get play money from the baby daddies if they are in the picture. It's just good old fraud and the gimme culture and the entitlement culture cuts across all races.
Not true.

Welfare support has been available to families with a father present for well over a generation. That would include married families. Based on income and family size.

Try this--get to know some of these mothers you are always ranting about. Then get to know the fathers of their children. Get back to me about how many you would recommend marriage to.

We are in the business of creating a generation of unemployed and virtually unemployable young black men via a school to prison pipeline. Change this to increase the graduation and employment rate and I guarantee you will see some differences in the marriage and out-of-wedlock birth rate.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#30 May 3, 2013
VADoc wrote:
Well duh!!!????
Why would they get married when they can get more welfare, foodstamps, and social services if they are single. They can also still get play money from the baby daddies if they are in the picture. It's just good old fraud and the gimme culture and the entitlement culture cuts across all races.
Doc, you are exactly right. And I am NOT HAPPY that one of my stepson's baby mama is doing just that, As her mother did before her.

He's a good father and she is a good mother, but it's a lose/lose if they get married, don't get the 'free stuff' and that big EIC credit on her 1040.

Yike's the taxpayer cannot go on handing money out hand over fist like we do.

At the very LEAST, they could put a law in place that you cannot get a larger amount from IRS than what you have paid in.

I did pull them both up by both reins this spring when they asked when they could expect their 'refund.' I said, "you're not getting a refund. You didn't pay that much in. You're getting extra money that comes from the taxes your Dad and I pay." Reply? "oh." Grrrrrrrrrrr
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#31 May 3, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you are putting words into my mouth. That's downright ignorant.
You agreed that all unwed fathers "deadbeat dads." What is one to infer?
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#32 May 3, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
Doc, you are exactly right. And I am NOT HAPPY that one of my stepson's baby mama is doing just that, As her mother did before her.
He's a good father and she is a good mother, but it's a lose/lose if they get married, don't get the 'free stuff' and that big EIC credit on her 1040.
Yike's the taxpayer cannot go on handing money out hand over fist like we do.
At the very LEAST, they could put a law in place that you cannot get a larger amount from IRS than what you have paid in.
I did pull them both up by both reins this spring when they asked when they could expect their 'refund.' I said, "you're not getting a refund. You didn't pay that much in. You're getting extra money that comes from the taxes your Dad and I pay." Reply? "oh." Grrrrrrrrrrr
Sounds like somebody wasn't raised right.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#33 May 3, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
Doc, you are exactly right. And I am NOT HAPPY that one of my stepson's baby mama is doing just that, As her mother did before her.
He's a good father and she is a good mother, but it's a lose/lose if they get married, don't get the 'free stuff' and that big EIC credit on her 1040.
Yike's the taxpayer cannot go on handing money out hand over fist like we do.
At the very LEAST, they could put a law in place that you cannot get a larger amount from IRS than what you have paid in.
I did pull them both up by both reins this spring when they asked when they could expect their 'refund.' I said, "you're not getting a refund. You didn't pay that much in. You're getting extra money that comes from the taxes your Dad and I pay." Reply? "oh." Grrrrrrrrrrr
Are you saying that he is capable of support but not doing so?

In Ohio, single applicants for benefits (particularly cash benefits) must name the father of their child and the state will go after them for child support--at a net loss to the family as the state takes a chunk of it for reimbursement of their expenses.

In fact the EIC is not some oversight by the feds, it was designed to enable those with a very low income to receive back more than they pay in. For a number of reasons. One is related to "making work pay" under welfare reform. Provides a bennie to those who hire part-timers at low wages. Makes it more worth their while to work rather than collect benefits. Another is an economic boost. Those dollars don't sit in bank accounts. They go pretty much immediately into the economy, buying furniture, down payments on cars and the like. The fact that poor folks get to touch them for a minute is merely a small consequence.

Maybe a good strategy for your kid and his kid (and the mom) would be to sit down and figure out the comparative benefits both ways--both long and short term. Might give you a better picture of exactly what is and is not available. And if they have set up housekeeping together you might also point out the consequences of defrauding the government.
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#34 May 3, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
Doc, you are exactly right. And I am NOT HAPPY that one of my stepson's baby mama is doing just that, As her mother did before her.
He's a good father and she is a good mother, but it's a lose/lose if they get married, don't get the 'free stuff' and that big EIC credit on her 1040.
Yike's the taxpayer cannot go on handing money out hand over fist like we do.
At the very LEAST, they could put a law in place that you cannot get a larger amount from IRS than what you have paid in.
I did pull them both up by both reins this spring when they asked when they could expect their 'refund.' I said, "you're not getting a refund. You didn't pay that much in. You're getting extra money that comes from the taxes your Dad and I pay." Reply? "oh." Grrrrrrrrrrr
If they paid in any income tax at all and are getting some or all of it back then it is a refund, you moron.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#35 May 3, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
<quoted text>
If they paid in any income tax at all and are getting some or all of it back then it is a refund, you moron.
'They' paid in around $2800. in federal withholding and go a check from IRS for $7300. That is NOT A REFUND YOU MORON. That is making a gain of $4500.00, not counting the additional they received from the state.

How many tax returns have you prepared?

Times that by the millions collecting plus dollars from IRS because of the EIC credit and see where you tax money is going.
VADoc

United States

#36 May 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Not that simple. You are assuming that a fifteen-year-old finds that they are pregnant, says oops and has a procedure to get back on track with life. Both contraception and abortion are somewhat available, as they should be--and as they should remain, contrary to the efforts of many on the far right.
But, without the option of an "on-track" life to begin with, many such fifteen-year-olds simply embrace the pregnancy. They have little notion of giving up anything that might otherwise be theirs should they not give birth. This is true even in some families where the adults work very hard to instill notions of hard work, valuing education and foregoing immediate pleasure for better things later on. Because the reality is that it takes a good bit more than a family.
When the surrounding systems are still tailored to producing a future generation of laborers in roughly the same percentages (regarding manual vs trained vs educated laborers) as in the 19th and 20th centuries, it is unlikely that the majority will be able to independently rise above.
Result: among an impoverished class we see birth patterns more closely aligned to an early industrial age and a glut of surplus males who end up incarcerated at an early age. Our current needs involve delayed child-bearing and extended periods of education and training. To the extent that our out-of-date systems do not provide, we are increasingly dependent on importing foreign workers, or exporting the work to other countries. Take care of these problems, ensure availability of contraception and abortion when needed, and the birth patterns are likely to take care of themselves.
Reader the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" is what your last paragraph on education and training can be summed up to.

You can't go more than a few blocks in most cities without some sort of education program or training program or school being available to train and educate adults. Hell most of these folks you are speaking of would have a free ride to school if they applied. The problem is many don't want to put in the work to get the education or training. They'd rather just be on vacation and get a check each month.

I've known several of the mothers and fathers you are talking about. I was best friends with one of our social workers at one of the hospitals I worked at. Also a girl behind me in my graduate class was a social worker before entering the healthcare field. She isn't like you. She sees the reality and the fraud in th system. I've had patients flat out tell me they won't get married because of the reasons I listed. Many of these folks just don't have it programmed in them to succeed. Why should they? I mean if all your wants and needs are met by the government and you don't have to do anything to get them why should you work?

I'm all about education. I love it. That's probably why have so much of it. I was taught at a young age that education is the most important thing you can attain in life because it will never be taken away from you. Others unfortunately don't feel that way. That's why many (not all but many) are stuck where they are in life.

I didn't grow up with a father as a physician reader. My parents both barely graduated high school. I have several family members who can't even read or write. I saw what no education and no job skills could lead to if your company closed up shop. I saw that with the closing of the coal mines where I'm from. I decided I would get all the education needed to never ever have to worry about a job. If I can do it then anyone can do it.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#37 May 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that he is capable of support but not doing so?
In Ohio, single applicants for benefits (particularly cash benefits) must name the father of their child and the state will go after them for child support--at a net loss to the family as the state takes a chunk of it for reimbursement of their expenses.
In fact the EIC is not some oversight by the feds, it was designed to enable those with a very low income to receive back more than they pay in. For a number of reasons. One is related to "making work pay" under welfare reform. Provides a bennie to those who hire part-timers at low wages. Makes it more worth their while to work rather than collect benefits. Another is an economic boost. Those dollars don't sit in bank accounts. They go pretty much immediately into the economy, buying furniture, down payments on cars and the like. The fact that poor folks get to touch them for a minute is merely a small consequence.
Maybe a good strategy for your kid and his kid (and the mom) would be to sit down and figure out the comparative benefits both ways--both long and short term. Might give you a better picture of exactly what is and is not available. And if they have set up housekeeping together you might also point out the consequences of defrauding the government.
Bite me reader. You're the last person I'd take any advice from. If you beleive that the EIC credit is not a big part of bankrupting this country, you need a few classes in economics.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#38 May 3, 2013
He pays child support and is totally involved with his daughter, as his father and I am. The 'baby mama' still gets gigantic entitlements, including the EIC and 'head of household' filing status.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#39 May 3, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
'They' paid in around $2800. in federal withholding and go a check from IRS for $7300. That is NOT A REFUND YOU MORON. That is making a gain of $4500.00, not counting the additional they received from the state.
How many tax returns have you prepared?
Times that by the millions collecting plus dollars from IRS because of the EIC credit and see where you tax money is going.
Obviously it is going to people like your stepson. Some people's children.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#40 May 3, 2013
VADoc wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm all about education. I love it. That's probably why have so much of it. I was taught at a young age that education is the most important thing you can attain in life because it will never be taken away from you. Others unfortunately don't feel that way. That's why many (not all but many) are stuck where they are in life.
I didn't grow up with a father as a physician reader. My parents both barely graduated high school. I have several family members who can't even read or write. I saw what no education and no job skills could lead to if your company closed up shop. I saw that with the closing of the coal mines where I'm from. I decided I would get all the education needed to never ever have to worry about a job. If I can do it then anyone can do it.
Who taught you early in life that education was important? Your uneducated parents, right?

And I bet your parents supported and encouraged you, and when you had that education, you went to work, not on to earn one more degree to hang on the wall and be a 'proffessional student.'

They don't get it, Doc. While we were being taught to stand on our own, kids today, and the prior generation were taught how to work the system for the most freebees.

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