Births to unmarried moms still climbing

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“Tenured Marxist Radical”

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#223 May 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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You cannot discount the high frequency of drug use as a large contributing factor in the scenerio either.
A lot of it is linked into economic and moral decline.

Before the Immigration Act of 1965, and then the 1986 amnesty, low wage foreign labor didn't compete with most lower class whites and blacks for that matter.

Before the cultural Marxists seized academia, and the ideology then flowed downstream into culture, there was revealed truth and social capital.
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#224 May 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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You cannot discount the high frequency of drug use as a large contributing factor in the scenerio either.
Are you saying someone needs to combine birth control pills with crack? Maybe oxy and meth versions too? The morning after pill with Ecstasy?

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#225 May 7, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Are you thinking of a Kinsman redeemer? That was a jewish custom of a widow marrying the husbands closest non married relative or if said relative wanted he.coukd default to a different relative.
Never new of it being a general custom among gentiles especially in the 21st and late 20th centuries
Old Testament. Lotta folks don't realize exactly what sorts of recommendations the Bible actually makes regarding marriage. Far from the one-man-one-woman claims of many. Tended to lay out the means by which property (which would include wives) would be efficiently handed on in case of death. Also focused on ensuring that women had children to care for them in their later years.

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#226 May 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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I think it is just a change in the times. A decade ago, if a woman became pregnant, there was soon a marriage. Economic circumstances often made divorice a non-option. And there was a stigma attached to unwed motherhood.
A decade ago was 2003.

The homes for wayward girls were closed many decades before that.

Shotgun weddings were still happening back in the 70s, with abortion as the alternative.

Go back another decade or two and an unmarried women who found herself pregnant would most likely lose her job. The only assistance available to her charitably speaking would be conditioned on her handing her baby over for adoption--with the expectation that she could never be an adequate parent. She might be blindfolded when giving birth so as to not even know the sex of the baby, or risk any bonding with the newborn that might interfere with the removal.

A resourceful and supportive family might find a way to keep the child within the family circle, pretending that the baby's mother was actually a sister, or an aunt.

Yeah--lets go back there.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

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#227 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Shotgun weddings were still happening back in the 70s, with abortion as the alternative.
Go back another decade or two and an unmarried women who found herself pregnant would most likely lose her job.
Personal responsibility and accountability, what a concept.

With 40 years of Great Society, rising tax rates, and trebling of the illegitimate rate, the progressive solutions didn't work.

The past had its errors, but it also had things that worked.

I'll sound like Bob when I say this, but there once was a sense of community and identity, that generated what the academics call "social capital", this kept people in line.

The devalued society today doesn't do that.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#228 May 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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A lotta people believe a lotta stuff about "the good ol' days."
Mostly they weren't that good.
they were not good for lazy slugs like you.

those that worked prospered.

your failed attempt to spin only works on stupid people like yourself.

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#229 May 8, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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A lot of it is linked into economic and moral decline.
Before the Immigration Act of 1965, and then the 1986 amnesty, low wage foreign labor didn't compete with most lower class whites and blacks for that matter.
Before the cultural Marxists seized academia, and the ideology then flowed downstream into culture, there was revealed truth and social capital.
Just off the top of my head I can think of 3 nineteenth century immigration panics.

Even folks without an education know about the yellow peril, right?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#230 May 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Stepson #3 24, will be 25 in June, 1 child, same girlfriend since he was 15, full time employment, college courses at night, childs mother employed full time. Marriage likely in the near future. He receives no entitlements and faithfully pays his voluntary child support plus.
So I guess he doesn't get that Earned Income Tax Credit after all.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#231 May 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Wasn't it the 'custom' a decade or more ago, for the unmarried brother of his deceased brother to marry his widow?
I think it is just a change in the times. A decade ago, if a woman became pregnant, there was soon a marriage. Economic circumstances often made divorice a non-option. And there was a stigma attached to unwed motherhood.
It is absolutely different now. Unwed mother's are the norm. They have the same baby showers and excitement as any married woman who is expecting.
Entertainment promotes it. Snooki, Honey Boo boo's older sister, unwed and with babies....all kinds of celebrities. Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are just planning a marriage now, and they have several adopted children and at least one that is a result of their union. So there it is.
This all just happened in the last 10 years huh? Carumba.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#232 May 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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No, honestly I was thnking of the civil war widows and the settlers.
I have a sister-in-law and a friend who both lost their husbands at fairly young ages and when they remarried, years later, both married their husband's brother. Now in their cases, I've seen it as a sort of mutual sharing of grief. It doesn't seem strange at all.
You have a sister-in-law that is a civil war widow? Now THAT makes sense.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#233 May 8, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You have a sister-in-law that is a civil war widow? Now THAT makes sense.
there is going to be a big influx of those soon.

seems stupid to me, with all the taunting and daring the sure losing side is committing.

how long can the normal people stand to hear the war drum beat, is the only unanswered question.

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#234 May 8, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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Just off the top of my head I can think of 3 nineteenth century immigration panics.
Even folks without an education know about the yellow peril, right?
C'mon, even you should understand that there might have been legitimate claims therein, you progressive morons don't seem to understand the concept that nation state has the right to protect its own culture.

Had Chinese immigration not been halted, the West Coast today could have been majority Chinese.
Singapore Sue

Columbus, OH

#235 May 8, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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C'mon, even you should understand that there might have been legitimate claims therein, you progressive morons don't seem to understand the concept that nation state has the right to protect its own culture.
Had Chinese immigration not been halted, the West Coast today could have been majority Chinese.
And ...?

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#236 May 8, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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C'mon, even you should understand that there might have been legitimate claims therein, you progressive morons don't seem to understand the concept that nation state has the right to protect its own culture.
Had Chinese immigration not been halted, the West Coast today could have been majority Chinese.
But you understand that wide scale immigration practices were in place and were seen as a problem far before the 1960s?

I'm especially interested in how our idea of what it means to be white developed through mass immigration in the late 18th\early 19th century.

CRT FTW.

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#237 May 8, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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But you understand that wide scale immigration practices were in place and were seen as a problem far before the 1960s?
I'm especially interested in how our idea of what it means to be white developed through mass immigration in the late 18th\early 19th century.
CRT FTW.
Because wide scale immigration has always been a problem, since Rome.

From about 1924-1965, immigration was far reduced, and not awarded as it is today to reward the Democrats.

C'mon, you know what Jack Straw said about it in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-an...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Shields_by...

The game is up.

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#238 May 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Wasn't it the 'custom' a decade or more ago, for the unmarried brother of his deceased brother to marry his widow?
I think it is just a change in the times. A decade ago, if a woman became pregnant, there was soon a marriage. Economic circumstances often made divorice a non-option. And there was a stigma attached to unwed motherhood.
It is absolutely different now. Unwed mother's are the norm. They have the same baby showers and excitement as any married woman who is expecting.
Entertainment promotes it. Snooki, Honey Boo boo's older sister, unwed and with babies....all kinds of celebrities. Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are just planning a marriage now, and they have several adopted children and at least one that is a result of their union. So there it is.
Was the custom a long time ago. Happened in my family a few times.

My mom ended up raising her nephew, too. Long story. But her sister, unmarried and pregnant. Ran off, left the kid. Mom took him in and my dad agreed. My mom had a huge heart. Raised him and then had him placed in a "group home" (what they called them back in the 50s and 60s) and then she had us. I don't think she felt she and dad were ready to have their own until that situation settled--my cousin was mentally handicapped and would have been hard to adopt. But yes, basically done to "spare" the family some embarrassment. My aunt? No one knows what really happened to her, my mom only learned she died in 1999. No contact with the family. So I have to say, unfortunately, there are some downsides too in that scenario.

I really never had a problem with people like Angelie Jolie adopting or having kids--people in those positions at least have the resources to raise a kid--feed, educate, provide a home for--without relying on others or public assistance.(Now, if you were to ask me my personal opinion of her, another story, I don't care for her.) My heartburn is with kids having kids. Teenagers who aren't intelligent or mature enough to deal with a dependent child are a problem.

And we'll stay away from Honey Boo Boo and Snooki. Trash...

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#239 May 8, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Personal responsibility and accountability, what a concept.
With 40 years of Great Society, rising tax rates, and trebling of the illegitimate rate, the progressive solutions didn't work.
The past had its errors, but it also had things that worked.
I'll sound like Bob when I say this, but there once was a sense of community and identity, that generated what the academics call "social capital", this kept people in line.
The devalued society today doesn't do that.
Exactly. As much as it chokes me at times to agree with Bobby, that is a salient point -- "social capital."

Even in my mom's story, it was important for them to take care of their own. I suppose my aunt ran off because she probably was flipping nuts (and my family is not the kind to kick ANYONE out, despite the circumstances, they'll work with it).

The illegitimacy rate is odd these days though, a growing trend is for single women above 30 to have a child on their own, not likely to be impoverished. Meaning educated, stable, employed. But that is not yet the norm. The norm is still uneducated, under 25, and poor.

And I know I'll get pounded for this statement too, but it goes unnoticed too often. I think we've devalued the male role of family rearing to nothing more than that of sperm donor. So, we women can work, earn a check, and raise a family. Been there, done that. But despite my differences with my ex, I don't think I'd have done it as well as it had been done by myself. We've neglected the role of marriage and family in this society. Many children a generation ago, raised in poor single head of households are now repeating that scenario, and the results are not good.

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#240 May 8, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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C'mon, even you should understand that there might have been legitimate claims therein, you progressive morons don't seem to understand the concept that nation state has the right to protect its own culture.
Had Chinese immigration not been halted, the West Coast today could have been majority Chinese.
The west coast is majority Asian, isn't it?

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#241 May 8, 2013
rowdy01 wrote:
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The west coast is majority Asian, isn't it?
WA-
73% White
4% Black
1.5% American Indian
7% Asian
11% Latin

OR-
78% White
2% Black
1.8% American Indian
4% Asian
12% Latin

CA-
39% White
38% Latin
14% Asian
6% Black
1.7% American Indian

BC Canada-

70% White
25% Asian
5% Aboriginal

There is an Asian majority in Vancouver, BC.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#242 May 8, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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You cannot discount the high frequency of drug use as a large contributing factor in the scenerio either.
Did you sign your stepson's return when he got that EIC?

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