Births to unmarried moms still climbing

Births to unmarried moms still climbing

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Big Johnson

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#202 May 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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apples to oranges
I don't think public sanitation caused family breakdown, or the lack of it prevented it.
Think harder, Karl. Think!
As were tax rates.

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#203 May 7, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
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Think harder, Karl. Think!
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Money is often influential in family breakdown, lower taxes would lessen it as unemployment would be down and general prosperity would be up.

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#204 May 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Out of wedlock birth rates were far lower.
As were tax rates.
You're wrong about the tax rates--unless you are going pretty far back.

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#205 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You're wrong about the tax rates--unless you are going pretty far back.
State of Ohio didn't have a sales tax until WWII, an income tax came in under Gilligan.

Same with most counties and cities.

Federal taxes were higher for the rich, but many more exemptions. And when income tax started, they said only the 1% was going to pay.

The one thing that did come down was tariffs.

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#206 May 7, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Let's say 1970, shall we?
Life expectancy is up 7.9 years since then. That's good.
Public sanitation? Hard to quantify, especially with all the variables. However, I doubt if it's better today in places like Detroit.
Road networks? The Interstate System was 90% complete in 1970 and there were far fewer vehicles. I guarantee people spent less time in traffic 43 years ago.
Literacy? Depends on the definition. It's at 99% today according to the CIA (up from 97% in 1970) if you're talking about basic daily functioning. But true literacy?
Literacy study: 1 in 7 U.S. adults are unable to read this story
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education...
1970 is not pre-Progressive ERA.

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#207 May 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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apples to oranges
I don't think public sanitation caused family breakdown, or the lack of it prevented it.
Debatable. Typhoid and cholera, both due to poor sanitary conditions, killed the young and strong, quite quickly in the early 1900s, even here in Ohio. Struck down young parents, broke down families.

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Hilliard, OH

#208 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You're wrong about the tax rates--unless you are going pretty far back.
I think he meant the overall tax rate. The middle class in 1970 in Ohio (say an individual income of $10,000) was probably paying 20-22% at most as his entire tax burden (federal, property and sales. There was no state income tax until 1972.
Today, the same Ohioan earning $60,000 (inflation adjusted) pays 35-40% at least.

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#209 May 7, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Debatable. Typhoid and cholera, both due to poor sanitary conditions, killed the young and strong, quite quickly in the early 1900s, even here in Ohio. Struck down young parents, broke down families.
Often times widows would remarry, I did consider posting that but I mainly was referring to family breakdown as deatbeat dads, divorce.

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#210 May 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Often times widows would remarry, I did consider posting that but I mainly was referring to family breakdown as deatbeat dads, divorce.
Yes, realize that. Times are, I can't help but to see the odd angle. Some of those remarriages were due to necessity or family dealings. Not sure that was such a bad system, either.

Also not certain that divorce either is the component it once was in family breakdown, either. A divorce implies a marriage. The lack of marriage is. Unmarried parenthood is skyrocketing. No divorce involved.

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#211 May 7, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Yes, realize that. Times are, I can't help but to see the odd angle. Some of those remarriages were due to necessity or family dealings. Not sure that was such a bad system, either.
Also not certain that divorce either is the component it once was in family breakdown, either. A divorce implies a marriage. The lack of marriage is. Unmarried parenthood is skyrocketing. No divorce involved.
It's the downstream affects of Gramsci

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#213 May 7, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Yes, realize that. Times are, I can't help but to see the odd angle. Some of those remarriages were due to necessity or family dealings. Not sure that was such a bad system, either.
Also not certain that divorce either is the component it once was in family breakdown, either. A divorce implies a marriage. The lack of marriage is. Unmarried parenthood is skyrocketing. No divorce involved.
Wasn't it the 'custom' a decade or more ago, for the unmarried brother of his deceased brother to marry his widow?

I think it is just a change in the times. A decade ago, if a woman became pregnant, there was soon a marriage. Economic circumstances often made divorice a non-option. And there was a stigma attached to unwed motherhood.

It is absolutely different now. Unwed mother's are the norm. They have the same baby showers and excitement as any married woman who is expecting.

Entertainment promotes it. Snooki, Honey Boo boo's older sister, unwed and with babies....all kinds of celebrities. Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are just planning a marriage now, and they have several adopted children and at least one that is a result of their union. So there it is.

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#214 May 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Wasn't it the 'custom' a decade or more ago, for the unmarried brother of his deceased brother to marry his widow?
That hasn't been custom in a long, long time.
They cannot kill a Spook

Taylor, MI

#215 May 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Wasn't it the 'custom' a decade or more ago, for the unmarried brother of his deceased brother to marry his widow?
I think it is just a change in the times. A decade ago, if a woman became pregnant, there was soon a marriage. Economic circumstances often made divorice a non-option. And there was a stigma attached to unwed motherhood.
It is absolutely different now. Unwed mother's are the norm. They have the same baby showers and excitement as any married woman who is expecting.
Entertainment promotes it. Snooki, Honey Boo boo's older sister, unwed and with babies....all kinds of celebrities. Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are just planning a marriage now, and they have several adopted children and at least one that is a result of their union. So there it is.
Are you thinking of a Kinsman redeemer? That was a jewish custom of a widow marrying the husbands closest non married relative or if said relative wanted he.coukd default to a different relative.

Never new of it being a general custom among gentiles especially in the 21st and late 20th centuries
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Taylor, MI

#216 May 7, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Are you thinking of a Kinsman redeemer? That was a jewish custom of a widow marrying the husbands closest non married relative or if said relative wanted he.coukd default to a different relative.
Never new of it being a general custom among gentiles especially in the 21st and late 20th centuries
New=knew

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#217 May 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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That hasn't been custom in a long, long time.
Oh, Karl, sorry. I didn't mean 'decade,' but CENTURY.

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#218 May 7, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Are you thinking of a Kinsman redeemer? That was a jewish custom of a widow marrying the husbands closest non married relative or if said relative wanted he.coukd default to a different relative.
Never new of it being a general custom among gentiles especially in the 21st and late 20th centuries
No, honestly I was thnking of the civil war widows and the settlers.

I have a sister-in-law and a friend who both lost their husbands at fairly young ages and when they remarried, years later, both married their husband's brother. Now in their cases, I've seen it as a sort of mutual sharing of grief. It doesn't seem strange at all.

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#219 May 7, 2013
The 1918 Spanish flu epedemic killed somewhere in the number of 600,000. And strangely, most of it's victims were the young, harty men in the household.
My great grandfather died in it, and their were elderly people and children in the house. They all became ill, but only he died.
That left many widows and was before SS or any kind of entitlement help. They were strong women.
Interesting to read about. CA wired Philadelphia and said "How do we prepare?" Philadelphia wired back, "Build coffins."

Well, that was cheery, wasn't it?

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#220 May 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Oh, Karl, sorry. I didn't mean 'decade,' but CENTURY.
Relating to the second post, that I do see as more probable.
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Taylor, MI

#221 May 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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No, honestly I was thnking of the civil war widows and the settlers.
I have a sister-in-law and a friend who both lost their husbands at fairly young ages and when they remarried, years later, both married their husband's brother. Now in their cases, I've seen it as a sort of mutual sharing of grief. It doesn't seem strange at all.
I don't see it as strange at all.

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#222 May 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Often times widows would remarry, I did consider posting that but I mainly was referring to family breakdown as deatbeat dads, divorce.
You cannot discount the high frequency of drug use as a large contributing factor in the scenerio either.

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