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Dublin, OH

#182 May 7, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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And only 3 of the 4 are on the dole.
woof
Is the 4th the girl? Or is one of the 3 out of the 4 the girl? Whose on first?
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#183 May 7, 2013
Ooops, who's on first....

“Meh.”

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#184 May 7, 2013
This is a bit of a car crash.

What I'm noticing mostly is that when social services are made available for people outside your family, that they're "entitlements" and the blame is to be assigned to the agent receiving the services.

But when it's your family getting support from the government, using planned parenthood services or taking supplementary benefits, that this becomes the fault of the government offering those services.

I would gently caution that many of the people using the services your family receives needs them just as much (often, quite a bit more) than your family members do.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#185 May 7, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
This is a bit of a car crash.
What I'm noticing mostly is that when social services are made available for people outside your family, that they're "entitlements" and the blame is to be assigned to the agent receiving the services.
But when it's your family getting support from the government, using planned parenthood services or taking supplementary benefits, that this becomes the fault of the government offering those services.
I would gently caution that many of the people using the services your family receives needs them just as much (often, quite a bit more) than your family members do.
Ahh...the contradictions. When others or perceived lessers get it, it's being on 'the dole.' When it's their family, it's deserved.

I personally favor government phasing out of this, changing our tax structure to collect the billions they don't from stock trades, currency trading etc... and letting charity pick up the rest.

But what do I know, they call me a lefist, commie goon around here.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#186 May 7, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
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You can't have it, just like you can't have your own country.
And we are talking about elective abortion for people who are unable to afford children without government assistance, not extermination camps.
who says you can't have your own country?

in lieu of abortion, why not sterilization.

problem solved.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#187 May 7, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
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Ahh...the contradictions. When others or perceived lessers get it, it's being on 'the dole.' When it's their family, it's deserved.
I personally favor government phasing out of this, changing our tax structure to collect the billions they don't from stock trades, currency trading etc... and letting charity pick up the rest.
But what do I know, they call me a lefist, commie goon around here.
for the most part you are a leftist.

your above post is accurate.

even a lefty gets it right occasionally

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#188 May 7, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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for the most part you are a leftist.
your above post is accurate.
even a lefty gets it right occasionally
The political spectrum is not left or right as you percieve it. It's closer to fowards or backwards, I lean foward.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#189 May 7, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
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The political spectrum is not left or right as you percieve it. It's closer to fowards or backwards, I lean foward.
So you admit to being a progressive, copying the slogan of MSDNC and the Occupier campaign, thus you are a leftist
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#190 May 7, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
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Ahh...the contradictions. When others or perceived lessers get it, it's being on 'the dole.' When it's their family, it's deserved.
I personally favor government phasing out of this, changing our tax structure to collect the billions they don't from stock trades, currency trading etc... and letting charity pick up the rest.
But what do I know, they call me a lefist, commie goon around here.


Gonna get myself a brown check....

woof

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#191 May 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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So you admit to being a progressive, copying the slogan of MSDNC and the Occupier campaign, thus you are a leftist
See, you want to play games with terms. Yes, I favor progress just as you favor regression. You want to go backwards. No matter what MSNBC says. I rarely watch them since they dumped Keith Olbermann, I do watch Rachel Maddow a few times a month.

Progess means change. Change has always occurred, in spite of those against it. For both good and bad millions have been killed over this fact.

Call me what you will, you always miss.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#192 May 7, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =HX9fsKyUeQQXX
Gonna get myself a brown check....
woof
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Gotta get down to the Cumberland Mine

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#193 May 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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While you're laughing, go back and see where she says "my bad" when I explained I never would have said I have four stepsons because I only have three.
That still leaves Chrystina unaccounted for.

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#194 May 7, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
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Ahh...the contradictions. When others or perceived lessers get it, it's being on 'the dole.' When it's their family, it's deserved.
I personally favor government phasing out of this, changing our tax structure to collect the billions they don't from stock trades, currency trading etc... and letting charity pick up the rest.
But what do I know, they call me a lefist, commie goon around here.
Go back before the Progressive Era (which was NOT the 1960s) and see how well private philanthropy was able to handle the needs of the poor--widows, orphans and the like (not to mention the "wayward"). Not that the efforts were insincere. But they lacked any meaningful systematization. Being wholly voluntary (although they might have worked in conjunction with the courts and so forth) they did well in some areas but left others untouched. And of course entire communities of poverty (as we discovered during the 1960s) are poorly positioned to respond to the needs of the poorest.

This is where I have to give props to the Catholic Church--which was actually able to operate systematically (although not systemically) as they operated on a Parish system to cover the waterfront. They had some capability to tap wealth and allocate it to the needs of the impoverished. And they recognized the need for quality education.

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#195 May 7, 2013
Wait what wrote:
Ooops, who's on first....
Might be whose.

Maybe there's another husband lurking in the shadows with a child from a previous marriage.

Since: Apr 13

Columbus, OH

#196 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Go back before the Progressive Era (which was NOT the 1960s) and see how well private philanthropy was able to handle the needs of the poor--widows, orphans and the like (not to mention the "wayward"). Not that the efforts were insincere. But they lacked any meaningful systematization. Being wholly voluntary (although they might have worked in conjunction with the courts and so forth) they did well in some areas but left others untouched. And of course entire communities of poverty (as we discovered during the 1960s) are poorly positioned to respond to the needs of the poorest.
This is where I have to give props to the Catholic Church--which was actually able to operate systematically (although not systemically) as they operated on a Parish system to cover the waterfront. They had some capability to tap wealth and allocate it to the needs of the impoverished. And they recognized the need for quality education.
I must admit that I haven't the knowledge on this as you do. Harry Browne, a Libertarian espoused that pre-FDR the downtrodden were taken care of.

So you caught me parroting a Libertarian talking point without having enough info.

I stand corrected.

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#197 May 7, 2013
St of Circumstance wrote:
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I must admit that I haven't the knowledge on this as you do. Harry Browne, a Libertarian espoused that pre-FDR the downtrodden were taken care of.
So you caught me parroting a Libertarian talking point without having enough info.
I stand corrected.
A lotta people believe a lotta stuff about "the good ol' days."

Mostly they weren't that good.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#198 May 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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A lotta people believe a lotta stuff about "the good ol' days."
Mostly they weren't that good.
Out of wedlock birth rates were far lower.

As were tax rates.
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#199 May 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Out of wedlock birth rates were far lower.
As were tax rates.
Not to mention life expectancy, public sanitation, road networks and literacy.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#200 May 7, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
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Not to mention life expectancy, public sanitation, road networks and literacy.
Let's say 1970, shall we?
Life expectancy is up 7.9 years since then. That's good.
Public sanitation? Hard to quantify, especially with all the variables. However, I doubt if it's better today in places like Detroit.
Road networks? The Interstate System was 90% complete in 1970 and there were far fewer vehicles. I guarantee people spent less time in traffic 43 years ago.
Literacy? Depends on the definition. It's at 99% today according to the CIA (up from 97% in 1970) if you're talking about basic daily functioning. But true literacy?

Literacy study: 1 in 7 U.S. adults are unable to read this story
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education...

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#201 May 7, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
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Not to mention life expectancy, public sanitation, road networks and literacy.
apples to oranges

I don't think public sanitation caused family breakdown, or the lack of it prevented it.

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