Should prayer be permitted in public schools?

Created by Oliver Canterberry on Apr 10, 2013

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“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#76 Apr 11, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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And why should that prisoner get to bring his prayer rug and foot wash to work, while a majority Christian person isn't allowed to pray.
Besides, the Trotskyites who run the schools have it all wrong. The Supreme Court has already said that you are allowed to teach the Christian religion from a historical, cultural and even moral perspective. What you are not allowed to do is to prosthelityze or to hold religious services in class.
Unfortunately the dummies who run the schools aren't smart enough to make this distinction.
Bottom line is that if people want their kids to start their day with a prayer, they should be allowed to.
We used to pray "God is great, God is good, let us thank him for our food ... " Nice, short, generic prayer. Nothing wrong with that as MOST religions believe in a diety.
Nothing wrong with having the state emphasize a little bit of humanity as being important in the lives of children. I can't wait for all this baby-boomer and Jewish athiest skum to die off so we can return to some sanity in this country.
I work for McGraw-Hill Education and I can tell you that all religions, including Christianity are taught and none of them are condemned or praised above another.

There was never any sanity in this country. There were slaves and subjugation.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#77 Apr 11, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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You can call me names but you can't deny the facts. Atheism was brought to this country by the same people who forced it down the throat of Eastern Europeans: Atheist Jews. In other words, McCarthy was right.
It is not being "fascist" to call people out for their actions.
Atheism has always existed. Many people who founded this country were not Christians. Religion divides people. It has also been found that atheists are often more charitable and compassionate. And they do so of their own free will, not because they were told to or fear the eternal repercussions of not.

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#79 Apr 11, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Atheism has always existed. Many people who founded this country were not Christians. Religion divides people. It has also been found that atheists are often more charitable and compassionate. And they do so of their own free will, not because they were told to or fear the eternal repercussions of not.
Sadly, it does cause division. Seems like everything does now. The country is so divided, it's hard to see us ever coming together on anything.

I have no problem with atheists, evolutionists, or members of any religion provided they do not try to force their beliefs on anyone else or disrespect anyone else's beliefs.

The prof in FL ordering his students to step on the word 'Jesus.' What exactly is his warped mind thinking is that about, and how does it come into the classroom?

Outlawing manger scenes,'Merry Chtistmas', the easter bunny and all of that nonsense, having a cross removed..........it's all so petty and meaningless.

Live and let live seems a fogotten concept.

Since: Oct 10

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#80 Apr 11, 2013
Geronimo wrote:
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If it's non-denominational and omits mention of God what's the point of praying?
No, I meant what is the big deal about having the words 'under God', and the huge push to have them removed from everything? Who has it harmed?

As far as prayer in school and being non-demoninational, I mean, the prayers that are said are not pointedly towards one religion to the exclusion of others.

The morals of the country are in deep decline and going down fast. Why is prayer in school a 'hot button' issue but abortion supported, even promoted and thought to be the 'modern' way to do things?

It's upside down.

Another Planned Parenthood just was closed in DE for malpractice and unsanitary conditions. In the past four months five women had to be taken by ambulance from Planned Parenthood to, guess where, St. Francis, a Catholic hospital. There are three other hospitals just as close.

Just seems like everyone is so consumed with some 'agenda' that the big picture is eluding far too many.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#81 Apr 11, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Sadly, it does cause division. Seems like everything does now. The country is so divided, it's hard to see us ever coming together on anything.
I have no problem with atheists, evolutionists, or members of any religion provided they do not try to force their beliefs on anyone else or disrespect anyone else's beliefs.
The prof in FL ordering his students to step on the word 'Jesus.' What exactly is his warped mind thinking is that about, and how does it come into the classroom?
Outlawing manger scenes,'Merry Chtistmas', the easter bunny and all of that nonsense, having a cross removed..........it's all so petty and meaningless.
Live and let live seems a fogotten concept.
That's true. Live and let live is not a concept our current society wants to live by. It's all about pushing harder and harder and harder to get it to be "one" way. Why? I feel religious beliefs are a personal preference. Honestly, I don't mind religious symbols. I put them in the same category as commercials I don't watch because I'm not interested in the product. But I do think if there are going to be public religious celebrations and symbols, everyone's religion should have the same chance. If there's going to a religious imagery in a public building, everyone else's religion should be represented too. I think exposing people to different cultures and religions is a good thing. I grew up in a tiny, sheltered village. Luckily, my parents were well-off enough to take me and my brother to many other places my classmates were never able to visit. Almost 20 years later, I see the differences between me and many of them, especially the ones who chose to stay in the bubble. But what it ultimately comes down to is fear. Maybe some people aren't confident enough in their own beliefs and they fear the introduction of other beliefs will somehow have an impact on theirs? Who knows.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#82 Apr 12, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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You can call me names but you can't deny the facts. Atheism was brought to this country by the same people who forced it down the throat of Eastern Europeans: Atheist Jews. In other words, McCarthy was right.
It is not being "fascist" to call people out for their actions.
You just have no idea how ridiculous you are.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#83 Apr 12, 2013
FKAdukechereader wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VQ3KOZCM91cXX
Karl? of Paco?

which one?

woof
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#85 Apr 12, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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(paranoid rant)
You need to get your "facts" from more objective sources.
First, relax. We have always been this quarrelsome and fractious, we just have the Internet now so we can do it all day long to people far away.
Second, if atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color. Atheism is a belief "about" religion, it does not otherwise meet the definition of "religion" at all. This is nonsense peddled by people like Jay Sekulow, a true shyster, and it is both wrong...and unnecessary because the state cannot promote atheism any more than it can a religion, because of the free exercise clause. I am sure there are atheists that will disagree with me.
Third, you may think the state pushes atheism because evolution is taught in schools. Wrong again. Evolution is taught in schools because it is the prevailing scientific explanation - and incidentally the only one consistent with the evidence and the only one with validated hypotheses - about the subject. Whether or not someone thinks it means There Is No God is not something evolutionary science addresses, at all. It is something people make up in their heads when they realize that all it really does say about religion is that Genesis, and the Creation stories of every other religion cannot be literally true. Well so what, that doesn't mean there's no God.
Fourth, you are ignoring the contrary evidence in the Florida nonsense (and it was nonsense on both ends).
Lastly, no one has outlawed Christmas displays. They just cannot be on PUBLIC property under most circumstances. Honestly, how can you live in this country and not know this?
This is basic civics stuff.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#86 Apr 12, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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You can call me names but you can't deny the facts. Atheism was brought to this country by the same people who forced it down the throat of Eastern Europeans: Atheist Jews. In other words, McCarthy was right.
It is not being "fascist" to call people out for their actions.
I can't comment on your topic regarding Jewish people. My knowledge is quite limited, and I would say clueless.

But people who speak factual in terms of reality, scare the crap out of those who only believe fantasy.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#87 Apr 12, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Sadly, it does cause division. Seems like everything does now. The country is so divided, it's hard to see us ever coming together on anything.
I have no problem with atheists, evolutionists, or members of any religion provided they do not try to force their beliefs on anyone else or disrespect anyone else's beliefs.
The prof in FL ordering his students to step on the word 'Jesus.' What exactly is his warped mind thinking is that about, and how does it come into the classroom?
Outlawing manger scenes,'Merry Chtistmas', the easter bunny and all of that nonsense, having a cross removed..........it's all so petty and meaningless.
Live and let live seems a fogotten concept.
Hey Madame Curie, don't you think that putting manager scenes on public property is forcing your beliefs on people? Of course you don't. You are either too stupid or too hypocritical.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#88 Apr 12, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Hey Madame Curie, don't you think that putting manager scenes on public property is forcing your beliefs on people? Of course you don't. You are either too stupid or too hypocritical.
is painting my door red forcing the belief on you all doors should be painted red?

if not, then your above post is complete BS.

back to the fantasy board for you, try out another of your lies.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#89 Apr 12, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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is painting my door red forcing the belief on you all doors should be painted red?
if not, then your above post is complete BS.
back to the fantasy board for you, try out another of your lies.
Huh?
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#90 Apr 12, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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is painting my door red forcing the belief on you all doors should be painted red?
if not, then your above post is complete BS.
back to the fantasy board for you, try out another of your lies.
Except that's not even close to what we are talking about.

Go ahead, paint your door red. The issue is the state endorsing religion, not suppressing the free exercise thereof.

My God, are there no intelligent people on your side of this debate?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#91 Apr 12, 2013
Strel wrote:
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Except that's not even close to what we are talking about.
Go ahead, paint your door red. The issue is the state endorsing religion, not suppressing the free exercise thereof.
My God, are there no intelligent people on your side of this debate?
Not this one. There are some who can articulate eloquently, but CINO here does possess that capability.
Real Tea Party

Columbus, OH

#92 Apr 12, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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The fact of the matter is that Christian Schools do a better job in terms of teen pregnancy, test scores, juvenile delinquency, gun violence, college entrance examinations, SAT, ACT scores than liberal public schools, yet liberals demand more and more money for government run public schools.
You have endorsed all things Muslim including wearing of burkas, foot washing stalls, and pork prohibitions and bans.
So who is the liar here?
Reader as usual.
I wouldn't say that about a Catholic priest... gay sex do not make them pregnant, true.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#93 Apr 12, 2013
Srotaredomtihstae Spook wrote:
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Why should a prisoner get or not get a particular food because of their religion? When they are.convicted d they lose freedom and that loss if freedom should include have meals made to their specifications. If pork is the low bid for a meat product then all the inmates should get pork if they don't want to eat it then let them trade it to another inmate or throw it away.
Well, Spook, the courts have said otherwise.

We have long had prison chaplaincies and consider it a pretty fundamental right of prisoners to set themselves right with their God prior to execution.

Some even fervently believe that God is a requisite part of rehab--although the state cannot require it.

In addition, what the state cannot do, is to prevent the exercise of religion, or the religion of the prisoner's choice, although I do believe that peyote smoking, for religious purposes, has been disallowed.

Now, as it happens, the Ohio prison system has determined that it is less expensive overall to simply eliminate all pork products from the menu. And until someone comes up with a religion that requires the eating of pork, it's pretty hard to see how that will be challenged.

But, it's interesting to see all the right-wingers ready and willing to establish a right of prisoners to eat pork.

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#94 Apr 12, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I see panic from the left and the US Senate Minority Leader as the victim with the FBI investigating. I like those odds.
I see you confusing fantasy and reality again, there, George.

Remember November?

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#95 Apr 12, 2013
FKAdukechereader wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VQ3KOZCM91cXX
What happened to your other socks, there George? Haven't heard too much from Biggie or New Che.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#96 Apr 12, 2013
Most people have some inkling that prisoners lose some of their civil rights when they are incarcerated, but that does not mean they lose ALL of them.

Besides, if it keeps them placated and provides them with something to do besides shank each other in the showers, how is it a bad thing?

If it is a legitimate security concern to let them get together like this, that's another story.

As for the pork thing, I really have no idea what to say about that. Seems like they could (should?) provide an alternative just for health reasons, and I expect most of them do.

The best prisons are the ones that prepare the inmates to not relapse upon release. Teach the dirtbags how to cook, and let them cook their own stuff, grow their own food...less burden on the taxpayers, they learn a marketable skill...

Why not?

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#97 Apr 12, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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I can't comment on your topic regarding Jewish people. My knowledge is quite limited, and I would say clueless.
But people who speak factual in terms of reality, scare the crap out of those who only believe fantasy.
Where's the irony icon?

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