Should prayer be permitted in public schools?

Created by Oliver Canterberry on Apr 10, 2013

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Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#52 Apr 11, 2013
People going on like :"blah blah blah libruls blah blah blah"

Sound just like the Internet kooks that rant on about the Illuminati, the Jews, the Rothschilds, that the moon landing was fake and WWF was real...

You people need to get jobs.

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#54 Apr 11, 2013
just saying wrote:
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RS just got spanked with a Bible.
Yes, and by a liberal no less!

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#55 Apr 11, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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Liberals know that school that provide clear boundaries and rules produce better citizens, students, high test scores and eliminate teen pregnancy.
Yep.

And why do you see that as a problem?

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#56 Apr 11, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
If we have arrows painted on all the floors of our prisons pointing towards Mecca for Muslim prayer, and do not serve any pork to any inmate in deference to the Muslims, why is anyone getting upset about prayer in schools, as long as it non-denominational or the words 'under God?'
This country has way bigger problems. The intolerance on both sides is unacceptable.
Where does it say that inmates have a right to pork?

There is a body of case-law that protects the freedom of worship even for those who are incarcerated--including the observance of dietary laws. Such hs been the case for ages.

If the rehab system determines it is more efficient to simply eliminate all pork rather than provide special meals for Jews and Muslims, how are anyone's rights being interfered with?
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#57 Apr 11, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
I love this ridiculous notion that only conservatives are Christians. You'd have to be a real moron to believe that.
There are plenty of those here. Just ask Tip and Paco.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#58 Apr 11, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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There are plenty of those here. Just ask Tip and Paco.
woof
Just as there are plenty of you people who say blacks can't be racists.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#59 Apr 11, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
If we have arrows painted on all the floors of our prisons pointing towards Mecca for Muslim prayer, and do not serve any pork to any inmate in deference to the Muslims, why is anyone getting upset about prayer in schools, as long as it non-denominational or the words 'under God?'
This country has way bigger problems. The intolerance on both sides is unacceptable.
Yes, we do have bigger problems, but that doesn't mean that upholding the Constitution isn't important. Unguarded rights don't remain rights for long.

But to your points, schools and prisons are radically different fora, and the forum matters in the analysis judges apply. Schoolchildren, by reason of age and inexperience, are more vulnerable and susceptible to influence. The rules of conduct are very different (some children may disagree), etc.

It's a complicated issue. "Free speech" can be repressed in a public school to a much larger degree, for the same reasons you can't belt out show tunes in a public library - the balancing of the rights of the individual to be an ass, and the rights of the people trying to quietly read a book.

The details matter. That's why all this "ACLU always" and "ACLU never" and baseless conspiracy theories stuff is just asinine. Besides not being factual, it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of our system of laws.

So it is very hard for me to have any respect for people who spew such garbage.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#61 Apr 11, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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You may call yourself a Christian, but your actions insult the religion and the god you claim to represent. He told you not to act in this way.
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
I am building up, and stoping the rot like you.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#62 Apr 11, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Where does it say that inmates have a right to pork?
There is a body of case-law that protects the freedom of worship even for those who are incarcerated--including the observance of dietary laws. Such hs been the case for ages.
If the rehab system determines it is more efficient to simply eliminate all pork rather than provide special meals for Jews and Muslims, how are anyone's rights being interfered with?
problem solved..........

stale bread and water for all prisoners 364 days a year.

on Christmas a real meal for good prisoners will be offered.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#64 Apr 11, 2013
Wow, nice big finish there, Bob. A dose of fascism really spices up the dish.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#66 Apr 11, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Just as there are plenty of you people who say blacks can't be racists.
I don't know who you are referring to Paco.

You sure do make the most ridiculous assertions.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#67 Apr 11, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I don't know who you are referring to Paco.
You sure do make the most ridiculous assertions.
woof
You mean like you and moles?

http://www.topix.com/forum/columbus/TA17TJPE8...
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#68 Apr 11, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>You mean like you and moles?
http://www.topix.com/forum/columbus/TA17TJPE8...
I'll bet Mitch and his thugs learn to speak more quietly.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#69 Apr 11, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I'll bet Mitch and his thugs learn to speak more quietly.
woof
I'll bet your racist friends at Progress Kentucky end up in court.
Thanks for proving that when you're caught, all you can do is make excuses and blame the victim.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#70 Apr 11, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I'll bet your racist friends at Progress Kentucky end up in court.
Thanks for proving that when you're caught, all you can do is make excuses and blame the victim.
You can drive a truck through that statute.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#71 Apr 11, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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You can drive a truck through that statute.
woof
The panic we're seeing from the 'Rats makes me think otherwise.
This is the US Senate minority leader, not one of your sleazy Akron divorce cases.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#72 Apr 11, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>The panic we're seeing from the 'Rats makes me think otherwise.
This is the US Senate minority leader, not one of your sleazy Akron divorce cases.
Have you read it? Part of it purports to make simply overhearing a conversation without at least one participant's consent felonious conduct. That means that simply walking past the door and hearing the conversation emanating from the room is purportedly a felony, according to the text of the statute.

Ever heard of the doctrines of overbreadth and vagueness? For a primer, look into how many appellate courts in Ohio have found R.C. 2905.05 (criminal child enticement) unconstitutional on those very grounds.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#73 Apr 11, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Have you read it? Part of it purports to make simply overhearing a conversation without at least one participant's consent felonious conduct. That means that simply walking past the door and hearing the conversation emanating from the room is purportedly a felony, according to the text of the statute.
Ever heard of the doctrines of overbreadth and vagueness? For a primer, look into how many appellate courts in Ohio have found R.C. 2905.05 (criminal child enticement) unconstitutional on those very grounds.
woof
I see panic from the left and the US Senate Minority Leader as the victim with the FBI investigating. I like those odds.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#74 Apr 11, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I see panic from the left and the US Senate Minority Leader as the victim with the FBI investigating. I like those odds.
Ok.

I see an overbroad, unconstitutional statute.

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/docs/pdf/9/...

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/docs/pdf/10...

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/docs/pdf/8/...

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/docs/pdf/2/...

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/docs/pdf/2/...

woof

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#75 Apr 11, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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I am building up, and stoping the rot like you.
Seems you're a CINO.

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