Should prayer be permitted in public schools?

Created by Oliver Canterberry on Apr 10, 2013

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Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#2 Apr 10, 2013
Yes. Individuals should be allowed to pray to their heart's content as long as it doesn't disrupt the schedule or distract others.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#4 Apr 10, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
Yes. Individuals should be allowed to pray to their heart's content as long as it doesn't disrupt the schedule or distract others.
Gee...That's pretty much what the state of the law actually IS (I would also add...as long as the state does not endorse a particular religion).

Imagine that?

woof
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#5 Apr 10, 2013
The question is dumb. There are two different standards in play here.

Free Exercise mandates that the school cannot prevent students from praying per se, as long as they are not being disruptive/infringing on the rights of others.

The Establishment clause prohibits the school from sponsoring the prayer.

What the courts will look for is a "governmental nexus" to the religious expression.

Long story short, sure, the students can pray all they like as long as they aren't disrupting class, but the school cannot promote, require, encourage or officially sanction it.

Unfortunately, many fundamentalist loonies do not respect the law...and many school administrators are ignorant of where the lines are drawn.
Lib Democrat

Blacksburg, SC

#6 Apr 10, 2013
Only if it's a Muslim prayer.

We Lib Democrats fight hard for Muslims' rights.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#7 Apr 10, 2013
Fake Lib Democrat wrote:
Only if it's a Muslim prayer.
We Lib Democrats fight hard for Muslims' rights.
As you should, and for everyone else's rights too. But we know you really don't care about that, do you?

Although you are obviously being sarcastic, you illustrate a great point: right wing loonies have extremely inaccurate perceptions.
Wrong

Blacksburg, SC

#8 Apr 10, 2013
I'm not religious myself.
I just find in interesting and funny that left leaning lib Democrats fight tooth and nail to protect foreign people's religious practices but not everyday Americans.
Wrong

Blacksburg, SC

#9 Apr 10, 2013
* Find it
Oliver Canterberry

New Albany, OH

#10 Apr 10, 2013
Strel wrote:
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As you should, and for everyone else's rights too. But we know you really don't care about that, do you?
Although you are obviously being sarcastic, you illustrate a great point: right wing loonies have extremely inaccurate perceptions.
You accuse Christians of being misogynist, violent, extremist but you endorse Muslims that are misogynist, violent extremist.

Oh the mind of a liberal.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#11 Apr 10, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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You accuse Christians of being misogynist, violent, extremist but you endorse Muslims that are misogynist, violent extremist.
Oh the mind of a liberal.
I accuse "Christians" of nothing of the sort. Do you know what religion I am? Did you bother to ask? Your assumptions, and that is all they are, are completely wrong. Not to mention that I at N POINT made any such statement as you attribute to me above. Like I said above, Right wing loonies have seriously skewed perceptions, and apparently not very good reading comprehension.

Fundamentalists and other zealots are the problem, no matter what religion they happen to follow. It doesn't matter whether they are Christian zealots or Islamic zealots - zealots are always a threat to the religious liberty of others.

As for Islam, let me say this. I am not a fan.

So show me, liar, where I "endorsed" Islam, a religion for which I have very little respect at all.

Moron.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#12 Apr 10, 2013
Wrong wrote:
I'm not religious myself.
I just find in interesting and funny that left leaning lib Democrats fight tooth and nail to protect foreign people's religious practices but not everyday Americans.
They do both, and you have been misinformed.

Christianity is far and away the majority religion, so as a simple matter of demographics it is going to run afoul of the Constitution more often.

Just because there are so many more Christians here than anything else.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#13 Apr 10, 2013
how many times in school can a kid pray not to get caught?

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#14 Apr 10, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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You accuse Christians of being misogynist, violent, extremist but you endorse Muslims that are misogynist, violent extremist.
Oh the mind of a liberal.
Funny, I don't see where he said/did any of the above.

You profiling?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#15 Apr 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Funny, I don't see where he said/did any of the above.
You profiling?
if Reader is against it, then it must be good.

if Reader is for it, it must be bad .

so do the opposite of Reader

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Albakoikee

#16 Apr 10, 2013
Srotaredomtihstae Spook wrote:
Sure the kids should be allowed to pray, not forced to pray. You can bet if there are muslim kids they will be rolling out prayer rugs and praying.
And rolling them out five times a day! How about a "moment of silence" where students can reflect to themselves. Believers can pray in silence, non believers can keep their mouths shut.
Oliver Canterberry

New Albany, OH

#18 Apr 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Funny, I don't see where he said/did any of the above.
You profiling?
The fact of the matter is that Christian Schools do a better job in terms of teen pregnancy, test scores, juvenile delinquency, gun violence, college entrance examinations, SAT, ACT scores than liberal public schools, yet liberals demand more and more money for government run public schools.

You have endorsed all things Muslim including wearing of burkas, foot washing stalls, and pork prohibitions and bans.

So who is the liar here?

Reader as usual.
Oliver Canterberry

New Albany, OH

#19 Apr 10, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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if Reader is against it, then it must be good.
if Reader is for it, it must be bad .
so do the opposite of Reader
Agree. Reader and her clones like Duke are a cancer in our culture, a cancer than needs to be removed from the minds and hearts of our children before they spread their vile poison in their minds.
Oliver Canterberry

New Albany, OH

#21 Apr 10, 2013
Strel wrote:
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I accuse "Christians" of nothing of the sort. Do you know what religion I am? Did you bother to ask? Your assumptions, and that is all they are, are completely wrong. Not to mention that I at N POINT made any such statement as you attribute to me above. Like I said above, Right wing loonies have seriously skewed perceptions, and apparently not very good reading comprehension.
Fundamentalists and other zealots are the problem, no matter what religion they happen to follow. It doesn't matter whether they are Christian zealots or Islamic zealots - zealots are always a threat to the religious liberty of others.
As for Islam, let me say this. I am not a fan.
So show me, liar, where I "endorsed" Islam, a religion for which I have very little respect at all.
Moron.
Liberals are the problem (since they are really atheist without the courage to come out of the closet). They are a cancer that erodes the values and traditions a culture, they are the enemy within.

Liberals have banned pork in public schools, built foot washing stalls at University of Michigan, Dearborn campus, forced students to wear burkas, devised segregated swimming pools - Harvard.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#22 Apr 10, 2013
Geronimo wrote:
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People who call other people a cancer and say they need to be removed are a cancer. THEY need to be removed.
except one is correct, and it is not you.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#24 Apr 10, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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Agree. Reader and her clones like Duke are a cancer in our culture, a cancer than needs to be removed from the minds and hearts of our children before they spread their vile poison in their minds.
T A FF A A RD.

woof
Yo You

Dublin, OH

#25 Apr 10, 2013
Strel wrote:
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As you should, and for everyone else's rights too. But we know you really don't care about that, do you?
Although you are obviously being sarcastic, you illustrate a great point: right wing loonies have extremely inaccurate perceptions.
Would that be like everyone who voted Obama in because the campaign literature said that he would protect their Social Security checks, unlike the Republicans? THAT kind of extremely inaccurate perception?

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