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Dublin, OH

#42 May 20, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You continue to deny anything ouside your personal experience. If all employers were committed to taking care of all their employees we wouldn't be facing the access issues that we are.
In my whole life, I haven't worked for an employer who didn't take care of their employees some way, somehow. I know times are tough, but if you have an employer that doesn't offer decent health coverage why aren't you looking for something better? Lord knows there are enough corporations in Central Ohio who DO offer decent benefits.

You will continue to have access issues. The CBO's latest estimate? 6 million will use the exchanges in the first year. 6 million, Reader. The applications for coverage includes a check with the credit bureau. Why is that, do you suppose? And what of those folks who can't pay their monthly fee and then get dropped? You do realize they will then owe all of their medical payments in full, right? Last I read, you get 3 months and if not paid by 3 months then you are released from the exchanges.

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#43 May 20, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Trucks don't pay fuel taxes, registration fees, tolls and the like? Who knew?
You're not too bright, are you?
They are required to pay 'fuel and highway use' tax in every state where they travel. Hence the log books with miles driven and fuel purchased at each locale. There may be a federal tax now, it's been quite a while since I managed a fleet of 18 wheelers.

Unless it has changed, freight bills MUST be paid within seven days. Federal law.

And don't forget those pesky weigh stations.

Catman would be much more knowledgeable, I'm sure.

Since: Oct 10

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#44 May 20, 2013
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The states are allowed to decide the abortion issue. Last I read, the states that are allowing abortion are only doing so in the cases of rape, incest and threat of the mother's life. But those three instances ARE covered by the exchanges.
Each level of coverage will have certain doctors and facilities and as I understand it, the lower coverages will have limited lists to choose from.
And it will be a giant screw up.

I am talking about doc's personally refusing to accept Obamacare as it provides for abortion and they will not participate in that procedure based on their own moral code.

I've had MANY doctors tell me they will not do it, and just as many nurses.

Reader does not understand that a person is free to refuse to do something based on their beliefs.

Since: Oct 10

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#45 May 20, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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In my whole life, I haven't worked for an employer who didn't take care of their employees some way, somehow. I know times are tough, but if you have an employer that doesn't offer decent health coverage why aren't you looking for something better? Lord knows there are enough corporations in Central Ohio who DO offer decent benefits.
You will continue to have access issues. The CBO's latest estimate? 6 million will use the exchanges in the first year. 6 million, Reader. The applications for coverage includes a check with the credit bureau. Why is that, do you suppose? And what of those folks who can't pay their monthly fee and then get dropped? You do realize they will then owe all of their medical payments in full, right? Last I read, you get 3 months and if not paid by 3 months then you are released from the exchanges.
So if you're sick and can't work, you can't pay the monthly fee and you get dropped and die? That's how I see it.

Anyone who has been gainfully employed and paid income taxes has also had employer provided health insurance or moved to an employer that did provide it.

Reader's been a long time municipal employee. Most likely she's had the Rolls Royce of health plans, paid by the taxpayers. While she doodles on topix all day telling us all how stupid we are.

Good thing it's not where I pay taxes.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#46 May 20, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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And it will be a giant screw up.
I am talking about doc's personally refusing to accept Obamacare as it provides for abortion and they will not participate in that procedure based on their own moral code.
Their goal is to get rid of such doctors... by making it so onerous to do business as a private practice that a doctor has no choice but joining a larger group (to share the "paperwork") or quitting practice. The result of the latter (and there will be some) will be longer waits and lower quality service. Just the way the left likes it.
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Dublin, OH

#47 May 21, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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So if you're sick and can't work, you can't pay the monthly fee and you get dropped and die? That's how I see it.
Anyone who has been gainfully employed and paid income taxes has also had employer provided health insurance or moved to an employer that did provide it.
Reader's been a long time municipal employee. Most likely she's had the Rolls Royce of health plans, paid by the taxpayers. While she doodles on topix all day telling us all how stupid we are.
Good thing it's not where I pay taxes.
It's like any other insurance. Initially, there wasn't a 3 month grace period but it got written it later.

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Since: Jan 12

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#48 May 21, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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The states are allowed to decide the abortion issue. Last I read, the states that are allowing abortion are only doing so in the cases of rape, incest and threat of the mother's life. But those three instances ARE covered by the exchanges.
Each level of coverage will have certain doctors and facilities and as I understand it, the lower coverages will have limited lists to choose from.
There was considerable regulation around the issue of abortion. No federal dollars can pay for abortion. There are even "firewalls" to guarantee that the dollars paid by abortion opposers don't cross over into the plans of those who don't mind it. I am not up on the specifics of how this will work--but it was a big issue that had to be resolved in order to get the bill passed.

As far as docs being required to perform abortions? My hunch is that this is outside the scope of the law--but the closest thing to that I have ever seen is that various providers have been required to make referrals when asked, if they do not do the procedures themselves. This is not particularly new, however.

Let me point out to you an additional way to look at the issue of abortion and conscience. So long as abortion remains legal, regardless of whether it is covered by insurance or not, certain people of means will have access, and therefore the ability to act in concert with their own conscience. Those who depend on coverage--whether through an employer or the government--to guarantee access to health care, will be limited to a certain set of moral parameters chosen for them by others. And that, to my mind, is hard to justify.

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Since: Jan 12

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#49 May 21, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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And it will be a giant screw up.
I am talking about doc's personally refusing to accept Obamacare as it provides for abortion and they will not participate in that procedure based on their own moral code.
I've had MANY doctors tell me they will not do it, and just as many nurses.
Reader does not understand that a person is free to refuse to do something based on their beliefs.
What do you mean by "accepting Obamacare"?

Do you understand that there is no health care plan by that name? The providers of coverage will continue to be the same as they currently are: private plans, Medicaid and Medicare.

Now then, do you know any doctors currently refusing to accept payment from a private plan because it may also cover abortion services? In fact, most private insurers provide many different plans negotiated with all kinds of entities--pricing coverage as required by the buyer.

So far as I am aware, the only thing that might approach mandated abortion coverage would be limited to cases of rape, incest or health of the mother. That is why we had some very silly Republicans going around trying to define "legitimate rape" last year. Their fear is that if women who are raped are allowed coverage for abortion, well then, women might just say that they were raped and get an abortion for some other reason (just like the women who can afford to pay out of pocket). So far as I know, that attempt died out with the rest of the campaign silliness.

Also--nurses don't generally get to make decisions about insurance plans they will accept. Few nursing services are covered unless in a supervised context where such decisions are being made by others--doctors and accountants.

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#50 May 21, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Their goal is to get rid of such doctors... by making it so onerous to do business as a private practice that a doctor has no choice but joining a larger group (to share the "paperwork") or quitting practice. The result of the latter (and there will be some) will be longer waits and lower quality service. Just the way the left likes it.
The move toward group practice, and ever larger groups (many now a part of hospital conglomerates) has been going on for decades.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#51 May 21, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The move toward group practice, and ever larger groups (many now a part of hospital conglomerates) has been going on for decades.
I'm aware of that. Doesn't change what I said.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#52 May 21, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The move toward group practice, and ever larger groups (many now a part of hospital conglomerates) has been going on for decades.
Since 1965, when the government intruded on the medical profession and the insurance industry. The damage has been incalculable.

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#53 May 21, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Anyone who has been gainfully employed and paid income taxes has also had employer provided health insurance or moved to an employer that did provide it.
Dunno where you are getting that info.

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