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#344 Nov 23, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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Don't like bankruptcy laws? Eliminate them.
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The only way they make money is if the other companies they hold "don't fail" because of their decision.
By the way, someone is going to buy those liquidated assets... and probably make something out of them... and probably hire people in order to do it. You never look at that.
I do look at that.

The pattern is that the new company will hire non-union workers.
Karl

Dalton, OH

#345 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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How have they lost millions?
They are now fired, the execs made millions each year, now they no longer are. Thus, they "lost millions"

The union people were not making as much money, so they only "lost tens of thousands"
Karl

Dalton, OH

#346 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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I do look at that.
The pattern is that the new company will hire non-union workers.
Strikes are bad for business, caving to rent seeking unions that operate solely to fund the Democrats, is bad for business.

When Grupo Bimbo restarts production at non-union Texas factories, I will LOL.

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#347 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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His wife and kids are home for the holidays.
Generally we serve as a surrogate family for him.
Oh, so their allowed to visit him at the rehab-nursing home. Thanks for the info.
Karl

Dalton, OH

#348 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Karl, if we were to look at the education situation in Franklin County as a whole, it is pretty pathetic. What we tend to do instead is to look at how many high performing districts we have, completely ignoring the reality that the majority of our students go to school in the Columbus district--which performs at a level of mediocrity at best, despite pockets of excellence.
This is hardly the thorough and efficient system that the Constitution of the state calls for. What we have thoroughly and efficiently created is a culture that firmly believes that improvement consists of moving up and moving out. Those left behind are deemed undeserving.
Another term that E. Bob and a lot of others use frequently is the culture of entitlement. This is applied in a completely one-sided fashion to imply that those at the bottom feel "entitled" to something that they do not deserve, meanwhile those immediately above them feel absolutely entitled to better housing, health, employment and education.
Any intentionality to improve the conditions overall are always considered by this group in terms of what they might be asked to give up--never in terms of how a better whole might benefit all--including themselves.
Suburban enclaves do not typically generate anything. They are not historically the sites of industry. They are merely repositories for the wealth (generally stored in real estate) of a class. And that pooling of wealth enables them to ensure a better education (a source of cultural capital) for their offspring, and isolation from others "less fortunate."
The state funds the urban schools far more than suburban schools, the experience of Robin Hood in Texas tells me that funding should not be "equitable" but should be dependent on what each community wants. If they want higher taxes, then vote for it.

European socialism leads to failure. Positive Rights do not exist as they require theft by government.

You and the left look at suburbs as cows to be milked, or wolves to be shot. I see them as the stables of the horses pulling the economy.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#349 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Karl, if we were to look at the education situation in Franklin County as a whole, it is pretty pathetic. What we tend to do instead is to look at how many high performing districts we have, completely ignoring the reality that the majority of our students go to school in the Columbus district--which performs at a level of mediocrity at best, despite pockets of excellence.
This is hardly the thorough and efficient system that the Constitution of the state calls for. What we have thoroughly and efficiently created is a culture that firmly believes that improvement consists of moving up and moving out. Those left behind are deemed undeserving.
Another term that E. Bob and a lot of others use frequently is the culture of entitlement. This is applied in a completely one-sided fashion to imply that those at the bottom feel "entitled" to something that they do not deserve, meanwhile those immediately above them feel absolutely entitled to better housing, health, employment and education.
Any intentionality to improve the conditions overall are always considered by this group in terms of what they might be asked to give up--never in terms of how a better whole might benefit all--including themselves.
Suburban enclaves do not typically generate anything. They are not historically the sites of industry. They are merely repositories for the wealth (generally stored in real estate) of a class. And that pooling of wealth enables them to ensure a better education (a source of cultural capital) for their offspring, and isolation from others "less fortunate."
Bull$hit! If that were true, the districts that performed the best would be the ones with the highest per-pupil expenditures, and this is definitely NOT the case. Columbus is near the top (13th out of 611) in cost per pupil and near the bottom in performance (591 out of 611). So you can boo hoo about the wealthy all you want, money isn't the reason!

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#350 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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How have they lost millions?
Hostess had a CEO...

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#351 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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I do look at that.
The pattern is that the new company will hire non-union workers.
And I'll bet every one of them is glad to have a job.

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#352 Nov 23, 2012
Karl wrote:
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They are now fired, the execs made millions each year, now they no longer are. Thus, they "lost millions"
The union people were not making as much money, so they only "lost tens of thousands"
Hmmmm.

How many millions does one have to earn to put enough by to withstand the loss of a job?

And exactly what sort of labor adds up to a value of millions "earned" in the course of a year?

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#353 Nov 23, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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And I'll bet every one of them is glad to have a job.
If your boss walked in tomorrow and announced a 50% cut across the board to everyone who does your kind of work, and that this is to be he new normal, just how happy would you be to have a job?

Especially if that boss didn't appear to be suffering at all?

Look upstream, man. Why is this company being trashed? How did it become unprofitable?

Was it the workers who did that, or upper management?

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#354 Nov 23, 2012
Karl wrote:
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Strikes are bad for business, caving to rent seeking unions that operate solely to fund the Democrats, is bad for business.
When Grupo Bimbo restarts production at non-union Texas factories, I will LOL.
Strikes are also very hard on the workforce. It is very difficult to recoup the immediate losses from a strike. Hence there are disincentives on both sides, which typically lead to a willingness to negotiate. Strikes are really the last option.

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#355 Nov 23, 2012
Karl wrote:
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The state funds the urban schools far more than suburban schools, the experience of Robin Hood in Texas tells me that funding should not be "equitable" but should be dependent on what each community wants. If they want higher taxes, then vote for it.
European socialism leads to failure. Positive Rights do not exist as they require theft by government.
You and the left look at suburbs as cows to be milked, or wolves to be shot. I see them as the stables of the horses pulling the economy.
You look at raising children as a hobby to be engaged in on the whim of the wealthy. I see it as a necessary function for the renewal of society. You look at education as a personal benefit to be provided by individual families (or economically determined clusters of families). I see it as a social and economic necessity for the ongoing growth of our economy. Best handled in ways that ensure the best outcomes across the board.
VADoc

Warrenville, SC

#356 Nov 23, 2012
I've said it before reader and ill say it again. You want the services a suburb like Dublin affords its residents, but you want it at the price tag that the cheapest neighborhoods pay. It will not happen. If you want the better life then be willing to pay your fair share and pony up a lot higher property taxes.
VADoc

Warrenville, SC

#357 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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You look at raising children as a hobby to be engaged in on the whim of the wealthy. I see it as a necessary function for the renewal of society. You look at education as a personal benefit to be provided by individual families (or economically determined clusters of families). I see it as a social and economic necessity for the ongoing growth of our economy. Best handled in ways that ensure the best outcomes across the board.
I don't begrudge anyone who wants to have children, but I do get upset when those without the financial means continue to produce children with no way to provide for their needs. You say children are the whim of the wealthy and I respond, well they financially support their children through paying higher taxes for better schools and work to be sure their children have what they need. Many parents do not do this. As they say if you can't feed em don't breed em.
Karl

Sharon Center, OH

#358 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Hmmmm.
How many millions does one have to earn to put enough by to withstand the loss of a job?
And exactly what sort of labor adds up to a value of millions "earned" in the course of a year?
How many businesses have you ran?

If the execs aren't worth their salaries, the market would not pay them.

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#359 Nov 23, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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Bull$hit! If that were true, the districts that performed the best would be the ones with the highest per-pupil expenditures, and this is definitely NOT the case. Columbus is near the top (13th out of 611) in cost per pupil and near the bottom in performance (591 out of 611). So you can boo hoo about the wealthy all you want, money isn't the reason!
Where did I say that money per pupil is the issue?

And BTW--are you looking at actual cost per pupil, or only the state subsidy amount per pupil?

There are a number of factors, some more easily quantifiable than others. But some that are pretty easy to pull data on have to do with years of teacher experience and teacher turnover. But there is far more to do with actual practices in each building, including disciplinary practices. These tend to vary widely, along with the huge impact of expectations, ability to form relationships with parents/community. There are very real reasons that people with children are willing to spend twice the price for an equivalent house, if they can afford it, in a suburban school district.
Karl

Sharon Center, OH

#360 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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You look at raising children as a hobby to be engaged in on the whim of the wealthy. I see it as a necessary function for the renewal of society. You look at education as a personal benefit to be provided by individual families (or economically determined clusters of families). I see it as a social and economic necessity for the ongoing growth of our economy. Best handled in ways that ensure the best outcomes across the board.
You don't agree with the above quoted statement because you support abortion.

Disguise it all you want, but the system you favor is conducted in Europe and relies upon theft at the point of the submachine gun of a SWAT team and prison rape to ensure the collection of taxes for redistribution.
Karl

Sharon Center, OH

#361 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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If your boss walked in tomorrow and announced a 50% cut across the board to everyone who does your kind of work, and that this is to be he new normal, just how happy would you be to have a job?
Especially if that boss didn't appear to be suffering at all?
Look upstream, man. Why is this company being trashed? How did it become unprofitable?
Was it the workers who did that, or upper management?
It's products became less popular due to heatlh concerns, dealing with shrinking margins, the labor costs could not be adjusted.

1st world middle class lifestyles, is not a right.
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#362 Nov 23, 2012
VADoc wrote:
I've said it before reader and ill say it again. You want the services a suburb like Dublin affords its residents, but you want it at the price tag that the cheapest neighborhoods pay. It will not happen. If you want the better life then be willing to pay your fair share and pony up a lot higher property taxes.
True, but Reader has issues with those of us in the suburbs - even those who rose from really bad circumstances.

Course, that's not considered whining...talking about Obamacare is. Go figure!
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#363 Nov 23, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Wage stagnation is measured by comparing wages in like jobs over years. It has nothing to do with how people spend their money.
And for the record, many people have foregone landlines in favor of cell phones.
A landline costs about $30.00, with fees, from AT&T. A smartphone plan costs, what,$75 at the minimum per month plus the cost of the phone? If you are truly living on a tight budget, you should no be able to throw away money on a smartphone. You can get a prepaid cell PLUS a landline for less than a smartphone costs. Stop making excuses for people.

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