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FKA Reader wrote:
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Up in Michigan there was some guy on food stamps who won the lottery really big. Apparently this unearned income doesn't count in terms of food stamp eligibility and a lot of folks got really honked off about it.
Personally, I think he should have just turned them (the food stamps) down, but our national morality doesn't seem to swing in that direction.
So--what is your recommendation for how to deal with this?
Run a tab. To be repaid out of future receipts at the rate of $1 out of every $2 received above poverty level income, regardless of source.

So if your "tab" is $150,000, and you won $250,000 at the casino, and poverty level for your family is $22,500, you'd pay back half of ($250,000-$22,500) or $113,750, leaving $36,250 on the tab, and the person removed from assistance until he again legally qualifies given the remainder ($136,250) as income in the year received.

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Cleavon Little wrote:
<quoted text>It was a 23 year old woman. She was unapologetic about continuing her ripoff of the taxpayer. But Karma being what it is, she's gone now...
September 29. 2012 - DETROIT -- Amanda Clayton, who caused a stir by continuing to take food stamps after winning the state lottery's $1 million Make Me Rich! game show, has died of a possible drug overdose, police said Saturday.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...
I hope they put "Karma" on her headstone.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
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Sometimes when I am confronted with a callous-seeming cashier, I will say something like "you look like you're having a really bad day." Generally good for a smile, if not a glimpse into whatever is going on. I'm no saint, but I recognize that anyone can be diverted from the person in front of them--especially if they have to see hundreds in a day while standing on sore feet and listening to all sorts of complaints. And I have encountered some really rude people in higher places as well.
The point was that you bemoaned the fact that people don't move up at places like Walmart. After what I've seen, I can see why. I know people who have to deal with the public all day and they still have to be "on". Those are the ones who will move up.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
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Sometimes when I am confronted with a callous-seeming cashier, I will say something like "you look like you're having a really bad day." Generally good for a smile, if not a glimpse into whatever is going on. I'm no saint, but I recognize that anyone can be diverted from the person in front of them--especially if they have to see hundreds in a day while standing on sore feet and listening to all sorts of complaints. And I have encountered some really rude people in higher places as well.
By the way, the last few times I've been there it's been in the middle of the night when it's not exactly crowded or there's even a line.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
FKA Reader wrote:
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Up in Michigan there was some guy on food stamps who won the lottery really big. Apparently this unearned income doesn't count in terms of food stamp eligibility and a lot of folks got really honked off about it.
Personally, I think he should have just turned them (the food stamps) down, but our national morality doesn't seem to swing in that direction.
So--what is your recommendation for how to deal with this?
I would never presume to think anyone of any power to change things would ever listen to me, Reader. The politicians do what they want, consequences be damned. Oh wait, there are no consequences!
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Nov 22, 2012
 
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I would never presume to think anyone of any power to change things would ever listen to me, Reader. The politicians do what they want, consequences be damned. Oh wait, there are no consequences!
Remember that the politicians reflect the electorate, the electorate and their representatives by and large think the rule of law does not apply to Mexicans, French style socialism is better, and there is no problem with People's Republic of China military budgets going up by 10% each year while ours will shrink.

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Nov 22, 2012
 
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The point was that you bemoaned the fact that people don't move up at places like Walmart. After what I've seen, I can see why. I know people who have to deal with the public all day and they still have to be "on". Those are the ones who will move up.
Pretty hard to believe that everyone hired for front-lines at Wal-Mart is rude. If that's the case it makes you wonder about their hiring practices.

But, Wal-Mart's data tend to indicate that very few move up. Not to mention issues they have had with the promotion of women.

But frankly, I haven't seen a big difference between Wal-Mart and most other chains regarding the ambiance of the front-line staff.

From time-to-time I have encountered a business that puts a premium on the friendliness of staff (Southwest Airlines is an example). It stands out to the public, but it is a function of both hiring practices and on the job training and expectations.

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I would never presume to think anyone of any power to change things would ever listen to me, Reader. The politicians do what they want, consequences be damned. Oh wait, there are no consequences!
Well, given your believe that nobody is going to pay attention, you have several options. You can continue to whine about the problems, you can make positive suggestions (if nobody is listening why would it matter which way you lean?) or you can stop wasting your time and move on to other endeavors.

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By the way, apparently Papa Johns has decided not to punish workers or customers for Obamacare. Seems they hadn't anticipated any public push-back. And they were wrong. Same with Denny's.

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Enzyte Bob wrote:
Reader what do they eat for a thanksgiving day feast in the 'hood? Government cheese, pig's feet and Big K cola?
Personally having turkey, sweet potatoes, greens, macaroni and cheese. One kid is over at a friends "having a plate," and other friends will be by later to have a plate here.

Oh, and pumpkin cheesecake and pecan pie.

I know you were intending to be mean and sarcastic, but it happens, I very much enjoy my family, friends and life.

Hope you are having an enjoyable one.
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FKA Reader wrote:
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Well, given your believe that nobody is going to pay attention, you have several options. You can continue to whine about the problems, you can make positive suggestions (if nobody is listening why would it matter which way you lean?) or you can stop wasting your time and move on to other endeavors.
Let me get this straight.

Bringing to the attention of a discussion the details of Obamacare is whining.

I could blah blah blah philosophically, like you, to make "positive suggestions".

Or, I could get lost.

It galls me that people who claim to be compassionate have NO compassion for those about to be negatively impacted, and who believe that one should shut up rather than bring out into the open a horribly written bill that should never have gotten as far as it did. And instead of acknowledging that advocates are worried, you ask a ridiculous question like "Well, what does the representative think about...". It doesn't MATTER what anyone thinks because those aren't the facts. The representative is trying to make sure people get decent care. It's kind of a like a lawyer - you got a job to do, no matter what you think. Get it?

I'll continue to post on behalf of those who will be negatively impacted. You don't have to continue to read. But maybe, just maybe, someone will follow a link and it will open their eyes that not everyone is going to get affordable, unlimited care. Even the Urban League admits that 74% of us are not going to be getting the benefits of Obamacare. That's a pretty liberal organization. Are they whining?
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I will say this, though: At least the mainstream media is finally reporting that you will be charged more for your age and a few other things. In two years, when people find out that their insurance plans are grandfathered in and can, indeed, impose a restriction on the dollar amount of care or they have to pay co-pays for preventative care I will be sure to post that they are whining.

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Let me get this straight.
Bringing to the attention of a discussion the details of Obamacare is whining.
I could blah blah blah philosophically, like you, to make "positive suggestions".
Or, I could get lost.
It galls me that people who claim to be compassionate have NO compassion for those about to be negatively impacted, and who believe that one should shut up rather than bring out into the open a horribly written bill that should never have gotten as far as it did. And instead of acknowledging that advocates are worried, you ask a ridiculous question like "Well, what does the representative think about...". It doesn't MATTER what anyone thinks because those aren't the facts. The representative is trying to make sure people get decent care. It's kind of a like a lawyer - you got a job to do, no matter what you think. Get it?
I'll continue to post on behalf of those who will be negatively impacted. You don't have to continue to read. But maybe, just maybe, someone will follow a link and it will open their eyes that not everyone is going to get affordable, unlimited care. Even the Urban League admits that 74% of us are not going to be getting the benefits of Obamacare. That's a pretty liberal organization. Are they whining?
WW--I don't understand the compassion of someone who, by refusing to offer alternatives, supports the status quo. I have often followed your links. I believe that you mistake the efforts of those committed to seeing that needed services are covered for advocating against the current reform.

When I ask what you advocate I never get an answer.

As someone who has been following or involved in this issue for a very long time, I have seen a number of "half loaves" offered. Most recent was S-CHIP. It was a disappointing replacement for a more comprehensive plan that would have reached far more--choosing instead to provide for only the more politically palatable children and families. Yes, it foretalled needed services for some. But it provided for some.

I believe, and have for some time believed, that a single payer health care system is needed. However, I do believe that Obamacare moves us closer to the goal of universal coverage. No magic wands, no way to avoid setting priorities or making choices.

Have a happy day.

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Nov 22, 2012
 
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The point was that you bemoaned the fact that people don't move up at places like Walmart. After what I've seen, I can see why. I know people who have to deal with the public all day and they still have to be "on". Those are the ones who will move up.
And perhaps they actually HAVE moved up (and "on"). Everybody seems to want to make the assumption that it is the same individuals who are working at low paying jobs for years on end... How do you actually know? They could be moving on and newly aged in workers taking their places.

This makes more sense than the alternative... that newly aged in workers are leapfrogging the more experienced ones.

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Pretty hard to believe that everyone hired for front-lines at Wal-Mart is rude.
I doubt it. It's just human nature that the unusual stands out, so if you're treated in an unusual fashion (good or bad), it will stand out in your mind.

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Let me get this straight.
Bringing to the attention of a discussion the details of Obamacare is whining.
I could blah blah blah philosophically, like you, to make "positive suggestions".
Or, I could get lost.
It galls me that people who claim to be compassionate have NO compassion for those about to be negatively impacted, and who believe that one should shut up rather than bring out into the open a horribly written bill that should never have gotten as far as it did. And instead of acknowledging that advocates are worried, you ask a ridiculous question like "Well, what does the representative think about...". It doesn't MATTER what anyone thinks because those aren't the facts. The representative is trying to make sure people get decent care. It's kind of a like a lawyer - you got a job to do, no matter what you think. Get it?
I'll continue to post on behalf of those who will be negatively impacted. You don't have to continue to read. But maybe, just maybe, someone will follow a link and it will open their eyes that not everyone is going to get affordable, unlimited care. Even the Urban League admits that 74% of us are not going to be getting the benefits of Obamacare. That's a pretty liberal organization. Are they whining?
It's also maddening how generous some people can be... with other peoples' money.

Turkey's ready in 15 min :)

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And perhaps they actually HAVE moved up (and "on"). Everybody seems to want to make the assumption that it is the same individuals who are working at low paying jobs for years on end... How do you actually know? They could be moving on and newly aged in workers taking their places.
This makes more sense than the alternative... that newly aged in workers are leapfrogging the more experienced ones.
There is not much moving up within WalMart.

However, one might consider the possibility that many workers leave with their experience and are able to move upwards elsewhere. I don't have a direct citation at hand, but I believe that upward mobility has suffered overall in our country in recent decades--contributing to the shrinking of the middle class.

And in both economic and politcal terms, this is not a good thing.

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There is not much moving up within WalMart.
You're not getting it. There's no evidence that the same exact individuals are working at Walmart year-in and year-out. Outside of government and union environments, people rarely work their entire career at one place anymore.
However, one might consider the possibility that many workers leave with their experience and are able to move upwards elsewhere.
I believe that's exactly what I said!
I don't have a direct citation at hand, but I believe that upward mobility has suffered overall in our country in recent decades--contributing to the shrinking of the middle class.
Employes are a market too. The more available to fill a certain niche, the lower the incentive to raise wages in that niche.(that's why, by the way, CEOs get paid so much... there aren't many who can do the job effectively). The eight-fold increase in part time jobs in the last five years probably contributed as well.

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TonyD2 wrote:
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You're not getting it. There's no evidence that the same exact individuals are working at Walmart year-in and year-out. Outside of government and union environments, people rarely work their entire career at one place anymore.
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I believe that's exactly what I said!
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Employes are a market too. The more available to fill a certain niche, the lower the incentive to raise wages in that niche.(that's why, by the way, CEOs get paid so much... there aren't many who can do the job effectively). The eight-fold increase in part time jobs in the last five years probably contributed as well.
A bit more to it than that. We certainly suffer from a mismatch between the education/skills of the workforce and openings. This is one reason that I keep harping on education reform.

But, there are other factors as well. The rapid escalation in the pay scale of CEOs is not primarily market-driven. Workers have lost a variety of protections, including a lack of union representation, but also protections that used to guarantee that wages would increase proportionally to increases in productivity.

Most people don't realize that a purely capitalistic system is prone to the abuse and misuse of labor. The age of the robber barons brought this realization to the American public--previously reluctant to engage in any government interference. Eisenhower realized the importance of unions to support a strong middle class.

When workers at the bottom lose protections (and in fact, real wages have declined), there is more to go to shareholders in profits and high level CEOs in salary.

One hedge has always been progressive tax systems that guarantee certain minimums (public education, public health, public housing, libraries and the like) are available across the board to to all regardless of salary level.
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A bit more to it than that. We certainly suffer from a mismatch between the education/skills of the workforce and openings. This is one reason that I keep harping on education reform.
But, there are other factors as well. The rapid escalation in the pay scale of CEOs is not primarily market-driven. Workers have lost a variety of protections, including a lack of union representation, but also protections that used to guarantee that wages would increase proportionally to increases in productivity.
Most people don't realize that a purely capitalistic system is prone to the abuse and misuse of labor. The age of the robber barons brought this realization to the American public--previously reluctant to engage in any government interference. Eisenhower realized the importance of unions to support a strong middle class.
When workers at the bottom lose protections (and in fact, real wages have declined), there is more to go to shareholders in profits and high level CEOs in salary.
One hedge has always been progressive tax systems that guarantee certain minimums (public education, public health, public housing, libraries and the like) are available across the board to to all regardless of salary level.
Real wages have decline due to foreign competition and women entering the workforce. Supply and demand, unions are a cartel that benefits a few at the expense of the whole.

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