anthropologist: When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

There are 33 comments on the anthropologist.livejournal.com story from May 11, 2012, titled anthropologist: When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite. In it, anthropologist.livejournal.com reports that:

Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual. In addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

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dina

Amman, Jordan

#1 May 11, 2012
Saint Catherine Monastry is in Egypt & not in israel

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#2 May 12, 2012
Dang, I can just hear Chester A. Riley sputtering, "What a revolting development this is." So Christians haven't always believed that marriage was exclusively male-female.

Interesting.

Since: Apr 12

New City, NY

#3 May 12, 2012
Night, this is indeed quite the interesting article. While I will no longer be posting and getting into battles with theists regarding atheism anymore on here it will be funny to see the sort of responses this article gets from the christians on here and elsewhere. Hopefully this evidence can be verified because if so it will really show how religion constantly reinterprets and/or ignores its scripture to fit its personal agenda.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#4 May 12, 2012
Mike_N wrote:
Night, this is indeed quite the interesting article. While I will no longer be posting and getting into battles with theists regarding atheism anymore on here it will be funny to see the sort of responses this article gets from the christians on here and elsewhere. Hopefully this evidence can be verified because if so it will really show how religion constantly reinterprets and/or ignores its scripture to fit its personal agenda.
Oddly enough, we're not sharing this thread with any of the religious forums--maybe one of their editors killed the article. But we won't be getting posts from that direction except fro the Christians who make a point of posting in the atheist forum or one of the others that share it.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#5 May 12, 2012
Actually when you or I post an article as the Forum Editor it rarely gets pick up by roboblogger and cross-posted.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#6 May 13, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
Actually when you or I post an article as the Forum Editor it rarely gets pick up by roboblogger and cross-posted.
That's true, but for some reason it did this time. Maybe the editors of the other forums also posted it. I have noticed, though, that when I post a story from one of my home-town papers, it often shares the thread with that forum. Ah, the mysteries of Topix software...
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#7 May 13, 2012
George T. Dennis SJ of Catholic University of America says: "There is simply no clear evidence of a general tradition or practice, much less of an obligation, of priestly celibacy-continence before the beginning of the fourth century".

I was taught in history that one of the reasons a celebate clergy was favored in England in an earlier period was the cost of maintaining them. In earlier societies and small communities it was far cheaper to keep a single man than a family.

If RCs can be flexible, considerate or pragmatic about a clergyman's married status, why not GBLTs?(I think 25% of Irish Catholic Priests favor allowing women to be clergy).
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/...

The main reason seems to be that their views aren't based on reason. They see being gay as 'abnormal' and compare it to paedophilia or even beastiality.

(In other words, anti-gay religionists tend to be relatively ignorant about life, nature, hisotry and/or reason!:-)

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#8 May 13, 2012
Mike_N wrote:
Night, this is indeed quite the interesting article. While I will no longer be posting and getting into battles with theists regarding atheism anymore on here it will be funny to see the sort of responses this article gets from the christians on here and elsewhere. Hopefully this evidence can be verified because if so it will really show how religion constantly reinterprets and/or ignores its scripture to fit its personal agenda.
Greenberg, 1988, "The Construction of Homosexuality" is a book you'd likely find interesting. He documents all kinds of same sex sexual behavior in the Church throughout the medieval period - after the time the above author refers to.

Anyways, I'm going to dig up the original research paper and see what it says! Interesting stuff.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9 May 13, 2012
Oh wow, this is new information to me. This changes .... some things but not much. They'll just deny it or spin it and continue hating, well, the zealots will, the decent christians won't care because most don't even care about same-sex marriage. LOL

But it is interesting, none-the-less.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#10 May 13, 2012
It's new to me, too, and many thanks to Hedonist for posting it. What a great editor!

Since: Aug 08

Easton NY 12028

#11 May 14, 2012
I find it amazing that atheist use science and the lack of scientific evidence that god exists. Yet when there is a lack of SCIENTIFIC evidence that homosexuality is normal instead of being nothing more than a genetic aberration, they won’t accept that as possible.
Now I know someone will bring up how it has been observed in nature 500 to 1000 times of animals in homosexual relationships but when you factor that into 7 to 10 million species on earth that does not prove much more than.
And then there is “Transsexual” How is that Normal, Sex reassignment surgery Has got to be one of the biggest fantasies out there

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#12 May 14, 2012
40Runner wrote:
I find it amazing that atheist use science and the lack of scientific evidence that god exists. Yet when there is a lack of SCIENTIFIC evidence that homosexuality is normal instead of being nothing more than a genetic aberration, they won’t accept that as possible.
Now I know someone will bring up how it has been observed in nature 500 to 1000 times of animals in homosexual relationships but when you factor that into 7 to 10 million species on earth that does not prove much more than.
And then there is “Transsexual” How is that Normal, Sex reassignment surgery Has got to be one of the biggest fantasies out there
I'm sorry, you're mislead.

Homosexuality is a normal sexual identity in Western countries. Outside of Western countries, same sex sexual behavior is normal. It's practiced in almost all human cultures.

In almost all primate species, same sex sexual behavior is observed.

So what's your definition of normal? Clearly it's not "natural" since in nature same sex sexual behavior exists quite consistently.

Since: Aug 08

Easton NY 12028

#13 May 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry, you're mislead.
Homosexuality is a normal sexual identity in Western countries. Outside of Western countries, same sex sexual behavior is normal. It's practiced in almost all human cultures.
In almost all primate species, same sex sexual behavior is observed.
So what's your definition of normal? Clearly it's not "natural" since in nature same sex sexual behavior exists quite consistently.
Actually it is you who are mislead
I’m sorry I meant natural. But either way works

Just because you say it normal practice or widely accepted does not make it normal or Natural, just politically correct.
As I stated before Just because it is “Observed” in a few of the millions of species out there does not make it natural .
Just because a few Percent of the world population Claims it to be normal does not make it natural. Humans have two sexes Male & Female anything else is a genetic or mental Anomaly

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#14 May 14, 2012
Here's a great look at why homosexuality is both present in the population as well as the benefits of it's presence in the species, and look, a christian biologist is the one who made the vid! Yeah, DonExodus is an awesome christian.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#15 May 14, 2012
40Runner wrote:
<quoted text>Actually it is you who are mislead
I’m sorry I meant natural. But either way works
Just because you say it normal practice or widely accepted does not make it normal or Natural, just politically correct.
As I stated before Just because it is “Observed” in a few of the millions of species out there does not make it natural .
Just because a few Percent of the world population Claims it to be normal does not make it natural. Humans have two sexes Male & Female anything else is a genetic or mental Anomaly
Now you are just defining "natural" as you like it. Clearly, a behavior that is carried out widely in nature is natural.

Nature doesn't fit your religious misconceptions about the world, despite what you would like.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#16 May 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are just defining "natural" as you like it. Clearly, a behavior that is carried out widely in nature is natural.
Nature doesn't fit your religious misconceptions about the world, despite what you would like.
That is the overall flaw with the fundy, they start with the presupposition that their religion is fact based on no evidence or supporting data, then whatever is contrary to that belief is immediately discarded with no concern for the validity of the statement.

On the bright side, since scientific advancements are moving ahead so fast, they have to discard more of reality and this betrays their stupidity to more people, making it harder for them to keep convincing the populace that they are correct at all.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#17 May 14, 2012
dina wrote:
Saint Catherine Monastry is in Egypt & not in israel
At the time, Israel owned the Sinai.

Since: Aug 08

Easton NY 12028

#18 May 15, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are just defining "natural" as you like it. Clearly, a behavior that is carried out widely in nature is natural.
Nature doesn't fit your religious misconceptions about the world, despite what you would like.
Again you make the claim...

"a behavior that is carried out widely in nature is natural."

Yet a thousand cases out of approximately 8 or 9 MILLION species is hardly "carried out WIDELY" .018% is hardly “widespread”

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#19 May 15, 2012
40Runner wrote:
<quoted text>Again you make the claim...
"a behavior that is carried out widely in nature is natural."
Yet a thousand cases out of approximately 8 or 9 MILLION species is hardly "carried out WIDELY" .018% is hardly “widespread”
Actually, most species on the planet reproduce asexually or bisexually. Over 70% of the species today reproduce asexually, they just split, mitosis I believe is the term. Amphibians reproduce bisexually, as they will spontaneously change gender when needed.

If you really know anything about the animal kingdom, the actual act of sex itself is rare, about 0.001% actually have intercourse, even when there is a strict gender difference. Of those, 90% of the species that have actual intercourse have shown homosexual tendencies in large populations. Homosexuality also has a survival quality for the species, so this alone makes it natural, yet the fact that it happens at all makes it natural, the fact that it's common makes it beneficial.
singularly unamused

Palo Cedro, CA

#20 May 15, 2012
40Runner wrote:
<quoted text>Again you make the claim...
"a behavior that is carried out widely in nature is natural."
Yet a thousand cases out of approximately 8 or 9 MILLION species is hardly "carried out WIDELY" .018% is hardly “widespread”
Hey, pacemakers aren't "natural" either, but I bet if your heart couldn't beat on its own, you'd have one installed. Quit using what's "natural" as an excuse and just admit you're a bigot.

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