Preacher: "We're not anti-Mormon, jus...

Preacher: "We're not anti-Mormon, just pro-truth"

There are 242 comments on the The WSU Signpost story from Mar 23, 2012, titled Preacher: "We're not anti-Mormon, just pro-truth". In it, The WSU Signpost reports that:

Eli Brayley, self-proclaimed Christian preacher, stood in front of the statue outside of the Miller Administration Building yesterday discussing Christianity with a student after finishing his own preaching about the free gift of salvation and the fallacies of the Mormon faith.

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#223 Apr 27, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Slavery in the bible wasn't based on race,
Really? Then what was slavery based on when the Egyptians enslaved the Israelite nation? Was that to just give them a home away from home and secure jobs in the building industry? lolol.... you're so fricking funny at times lol.

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#224 Apr 27, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Slavery in the bible wasn't based on race, it was punishment for debts owed. They didn't have prisons. Slavery in America was based on race and the person enslaved owed nothing to the slave holder. Apples and Oranges.
Slavery, whether between different colors or different ethnic heritages or the same color but different tribes was usually ALWAYS based on race. If it wasn't, the Bible Egyptians would never have enslaved the Israelites. They would have hired them lol. If it wasn't about race, explain why Arabs began enslaving Africans and transporting them to different nations before Europeans did it. And explain why the Spanish were using Africans for slaves in the Americas before the first colony was settled from England if it wasn't about race.
Apples and oranges...lol.

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#225 Apr 27, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
His helping the person was an retractment, unlike Mormonism which refused the priesthood to any person of the African race.
Buzzzzzzzzzzz...wrong answer. Jesus never apologized in any way or form for calling non-Jews dogs. Maybe in your imagination :)
By the way, Mormonism stopped refusing the priesthood to black males. I realize you may not know that. They stopped back in the 70s some 30 years ago. Catch up on current events :)

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#226 Apr 27, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
Worst yet, your God curses them before they are even born.
My God cursed a lot of people singularly and entire groups of people and for many generations. You can read of his curses from Genesis to Revelations.
As to my God cursing someone with a different skin color, I see no evidence of it but, I wouldn't put it past his abilities, he did destroy an entire population with a flood, infants young and old. He killed one guy for not coming in a woman as commanded. Another man was killed for trying to steady the ark of the covenant when the oxen pulling it stumbled. He called all non-Israelites dogs. I think some of the things he did are much worse, then some skin coloring some think he did.
Next, Jesus explained some were cursed(my word because most think it would be a curse to be born blind or crippled or deaf, etc)at birth by God, in a physical body so the works of God could be displayed in him on earth.
So if you don't think God curses people with infirities etc prior to being born, Jesus wants to correct your erroneous, gullible thinking you have and tell you that God the Father does do that thing :)

John 9
New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind

9 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him,“Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus,“but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

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#227 Apr 28, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Really? Then what was slavery based on when the Egyptians enslaved the Israelite nation? Was that to just give them a home away from home and secure jobs in the building industry? lolol.... you're so fricking funny at times lol.
Now you are just being ignorant and intentionally so. You were talking about(I thought) before where God gave the rules of slavery to the Jewish people. Now you go to the place where God certainly didn't approve of slavery. Or does your Bible have Moses bringing people into Egypt instead of out? I mean it's only the biggest story of the Old Testament and the number one example that God doesn't approve of slavery.

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#228 Apr 28, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Slavery, whether between different colors or different ethnic heritages or the same color but different tribes was usually ALWAYS based on race. If it wasn't, the Bible Egyptians would never have enslaved the Israelites. They would have hired them lol. If it wasn't about race, explain why Arabs began enslaving Africans and transporting them to different nations before Europeans did it. And explain why the Spanish were using Africans for slaves in the Americas before the first colony was settled from England if it wasn't about race.
Apples and oranges...lol.
You said the Bible approved of slavery. How is the story of Moses an approval to you? As for the Africans(which has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible) enslaving Africans, that is just pure greed, not race based. If an African enslaved another African, it has nothing to do with race, he didn't enslave him because he was black. Try to stick to a topic instead of dancing around.

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#229 Apr 28, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Buzzzzzzzzzzz...wrong answer. Jesus never apologized in any way or form for calling non-Jews dogs. Maybe in your imagination :)
By the way, Mormonism stopped refusing the priesthood to black males. I realize you may not know that. They stopped back in the 70s some 30 years ago. Catch up on current events :)
I would say that healing someone is good evidence of saying "I sorry." But you hold on to your racist Jesus if you want.

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#230 Apr 28, 2012
*I'm sorry.

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#231 Apr 28, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Now you are just being ignorant and intentionally so. You were talking about(I thought) before where God gave the rules of slavery to the Jewish people. Now you go to the place where God certainly didn't approve of slavery. Or does your Bible have Moses bringing people into Egypt instead of out? I mean it's only the biggest story of the Old Testament and the number one example that God doesn't approve of slavery.
Actually the Bible says nothing of God disfavoring/favoring slaves. It just implies that his chosen people had slaves from wars and such so he gave them rules to go by if they had a slave(s).
Concerning the Hebrews under bondage by the Egyptians, God freeing his chosen had nothing to do with slavery. It actually had to do with ending their punishment and fulfilling prophecies.

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#232 Apr 28, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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You said the Bible approved of slavery. How is the story of Moses an approval to you? As for the Africans(which has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible) enslaving Africans, that is just pure greed, not race based. If an African enslaved another African, it has nothing to do with race, he didn't enslave him because he was black. Try to stick to a topic instead of dancing around.
If in the 1800s you had a slave for what ever reason and, you told your dad you now owned one knowing he didn't own slaves and he had never spoke good or bad of owning slaves. If he then began to advise you on how to treat and how not to treat your slave, would you think he was supporting slavery since he didn't tell you owning another human was wrong and even evil?
It isn't so much that God was giving his approval as I see it but, God saw his people would own slaves so he made rules concerning the practice. On the other hand, God could have forbidden the practice of owning other humans as slaves as he forbade the use of idols and such. But he didn't. God essentially allowed the usage of humans for slaves by his chosen people. So the question would be why? Well when you consider the verse in the NT of Jesus stating God caused the blindness of a man from birth for his works to be seen and done on earth, I would then suppose slavery was for the same reasoning by God.
I agree slavery wasn't always about race. In most instances it was about one people conquering another people and using them for slavery regardless of race, creed or religion. But it is a fact that people of a lower education and or intellect were usually sought out for slavery by those of higher education and or intellect.

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#233 Apr 28, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I would say that healing someone is good evidence of saying "I sorry." But you hold on to your racist Jesus if you want.
Jesus wasn't being a racist when he called the non-Jew woman a dog. He was making a point that his message he had was for the chosen people of God, the Israelites. It wasn't for the Africans, the Asians, the American natives, the Australians, etc. Two thousand years ago Jesus brought his message explicitly for the remaining Israelites to fulfill prophecies. Until the prophecies were fulfilled for them, he couldn't announce his message to be taught to all others to fulfill other prophecies. But that didn't mean other non-Jews wouldn't hear his message. They did. But they unknowingly had to wait for the fulfillment of other prophecies.
Thus what Jesus said he meant. His message was gold and it was meat for the chosen people of God and none others. Thus Jesus made the reference he did of non-Jews being equated as dogs, or people not yet meant for the supper he was serving others.

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#234 Apr 29, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Actually the Bible says nothing of God disfavoring/favoring slaves.
So why are you making statements that it did?
It just implies that his chosen people had slaves from wars and such so he gave them rules to go by if they had a slave(s).
It was also how they dealt with bad debts among their own.
Concerning the Hebrews under bondage by the Egyptians, God freeing his chosen had nothing to do with slavery. It actually had to do with ending their punishment and fulfilling prophecies.
That is just rubbish double talk. Apparently freely them from slavery how something to do with fulfilling prophecy or he wouldn't have done it. Try to pick a position and stick with it.

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#235 Apr 29, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Jesus wasn't being a racist when he called the non-Jew woman a dog.
So why did you argue he was? The claim came from you. Do you believe what you write or is it all bullsh!t?

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#236 Apr 29, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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So why are you making statements that it did?
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It was also how they dealt with bad debts among their own.
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That is just rubbish double talk. Apparently freely them from slavery how something to do with fulfilling prophecy or he wouldn't have done it. Try to pick a position and stick with it.
To be sarcastic like you, to twist the verses for my own needs as you have done, instead of addressing what the scriptures actually say or don't say. Didn't you appreciate it?

Of the Hebrews enslaved by the Egyptians, I was making a point from both sides. Ever wonder why the Hebrews ended up being slaves to the Egyptians in the first place? Read the story.
Slavery is slavery. It wasn't usually based on racism as you stated. It use to be based on having others do work for free that you'd have to pay your own kind money to do.
Racism as you use it and as others use it, you apply it more incorrectly then you correctly use it. Reminds me of how homosexuals toss about the word homophobe correctly or incorrectly. It doesn't matter to them how it's used as long as they can use it in an ugly, demeaning manner to make things worse then they need to be.
God cursing people isn't racism. It isn't discrimination. You or I can make it out to be that. That's true. But if God did curse someone with a skin color, it wouldn't be because of racism. God would have done it for his own purpose, just as he made the man blind from birth for his own purpose. Just as he allowed his chosen people to be enslaved for his own purpose. Just as he allowed his chosen people to be scattered to the four winds of the earth for 1900 years before allowing them to come back to their home land for his own purpose.

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#237 Apr 29, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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So why did you argue he was? The claim came from you. Do you believe what you write or is it all bullsh!t?
I was doing what you do with verses and you find fault with me doing that? That's humorous.

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#238 Apr 29, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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I was doing what you do with verses and you find fault with me doing that? That's humorous.
The difference being I quote the verses accurately, you are just in denial.

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Marysville, CA

#239 Apr 29, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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To be sarcastic like you, to twist the verses for my own needs as you have done, instead of addressing what the scriptures actually say or don't say. Didn't you appreciate it?
Of the Hebrews enslaved by the Egyptians, I was making a point from both sides. Ever wonder why the Hebrews ended up being slaves to the Egyptians in the first place? Read the story.
Slavery is slavery. It wasn't usually based on racism as you stated. It use to be based on having others do work for free that you'd have to pay your own kind money to do.
Racism as you use it and as others use it, you apply it more incorrectly then you correctly use it. Reminds me of how homosexuals toss about the word homophobe correctly or incorrectly. It doesn't matter to them how it's used as long as they can use it in an ugly, demeaning manner to make things worse then they need to be.
God cursing people isn't racism. It isn't discrimination. You or I can make it out to be that. That's true. But if God did curse someone with a skin color, it wouldn't be because of racism. God would have done it for his own purpose, just as he made the man blind from birth for his own purpose. Just as he allowed his chosen people to be enslaved for his own purpose. Just as he allowed his chosen people to be scattered to the four winds of the earth for 1900 years before allowing them to come back to their home land for his own purpose.
I never claimed all slavery was based on racism, you misread. I said slavery in America was based on racism.

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#240 Apr 29, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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The difference being I quote the verses accurately, you are just in denial.
lol.... wrong. You paste verses correctly and most of the time interpret them inaccurately. That is your difference :)

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#241 Apr 29, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I never claimed all slavery was based on racism, you misread. I said slavery in America was based on racism.
Prove it. Prove white America 200 years + and - ago began accepting black Africans because of a belief based in racism. Then while your at it and you claim to understand the word racism so well and how it should be used, prove the native Americans used by whites for slavery was based on racist thinking. Then while your at it, prove how the Spanish were racists because they exported black Africans to the Americas since the 1600s for slavery. Then prove how Arabs who exported black Africans to the middle east for slaves were racists.
If you reply intelligently, it should be a good post. Other wise I expect nothing less then your childish gibberish your posting more and more of.

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#242 Apr 30, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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lol.... wrong. You paste verses correctly and most of the time interpret them inaccurately. That is your difference :)
Yet, you are never able to show how.

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