Preacher: "We're not anti-Mormon, just pro-truth"

Mar 23, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The WSU Signpost

Eli Brayley, self-proclaimed Christian preacher, stood in front of the statue outside of the Miller Administration Building yesterday discussing Christianity with a student after finishing his own preaching about the free gift of salvation and the fallacies of the Mormon faith.

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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#1 Mar 24, 2012
Preacher: "We're not anti-Mormon, just pro-truth"

LOL...how far and wide is this disease ignorance spreading? It seems to be a virus. Any one notify the CDC yet? lol

If you believe in religious philosophy A and use that belief to prove religious philosophy B as untrue, incorrect and or wrong, that is having a stand against B. That makes that person anti-B. I mean it easy for most to understand :)
Osirica

Oak Park, MI

#2 Mar 25, 2012
You are EXACTLY RIGHT

When Joseph Smith said that God told him that

"all other churches' creeds are an abomination"

Joseph Smith was certainly demonstrating that he was anti Christian.

When Joseph Smith says that other churches are of the Great Apostasy he is also demonstrating he is anti-Christian (just in case you want to blame God in the previous example).

thanks buddy!
No Surprise wrote:
Preacher: "We're not anti-Mormon, just pro-truth"
LOL...how far and wide is this disease ignorance spreading? It seems to be a virus. Any one notify the CDC yet? lol
If you believe in religious philosophy A and use that belief to prove religious philosophy B as untrue, incorrect and or wrong, that is having a stand against B. That makes that person anti-B. I mean it easy for most to understand :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#3 Mar 25, 2012
Osirica wrote:
You are EXACTLY RIGHT
When Joseph Smith said that God told him that
"all other churches' creeds are an abomination"
Joseph Smith was certainly demonstrating that he was anti Christian.
When Joseph Smith says that other churches are of the Great Apostasy he is also demonstrating he is anti-Christian (just in case you want to blame God in the previous example).
thanks buddy!
<quoted text>
lol...and you lose again lol. I luv your short sighted logic.
God demonstrated over and over that he's anti-religious. God said his religion about him is the only correct one and all others are wrong.
Jesus stated the same thing when he told those who said they had did miracles and healing in his name that they belonged to Satan, not him.
Point being, Smith never declared it was his own thinking that told him all other churches and creeds were abominations. He said God declared it to him. So since your using what Smith said against him, you have to state it was God that told him that information. So Smith wasn't anti-religious of his own mind set. Smith said it was a belief God had told him. So get your information straight when you want to accuse someone of what ever :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#4 Mar 25, 2012
Osirica wrote:
You are EXACTLY RIGHT
When Joseph Smith said that God told him that
"all other churches' creeds are an abomination"
Joseph Smith was certainly demonstrating that he was anti Christian.
When Joseph Smith says that other churches are of the Great Apostasy he is also demonstrating he is anti-Christian (just in case you want to blame God in the previous example).
thanks buddy!
<quoted text>
One more item. There's a difference between spreading what you believe is the truth to people and, moving on if they are not interested in your opinion of your truth and, attacking people for what they believe day in and day out as you do and as Smurf does and many others do. That's having an "anti-religious" philosophy and agenda. And that describes you :)
Osirica

Oak Park, MI

#5 Mar 25, 2012
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Shot your lie down before it even left the hangar.

and the whole thing here about Mormonism is this:

Smith lied and I'm not going to consider the lies that Smith said to be actual things that God said.

After all, if you assume a liar tells the truth, then you can never catch him lying.

Smith lied. Plain and simpple. He never saw any angel or god in any vision.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...and you lose again lol. I luv your short sighted logic.
God demonstrated over and over that he's anti-religious. God said his religion about him is the only correct one and all others are wrong.
Jesus stated the same thing when he told those who said they had did miracles and healing in his name that they belonged to Satan, not him.
Point being, Smith never declared it was his own thinking that told him all other churches and creeds were abominations. He said God declared it to him. So since your using what Smith said against him, you have to state it was God that told him that information. So Smith wasn't anti-religious of his own mind set. Smith said it was a belief God had told him. So get your information straight when you want to accuse someone of what ever :)
Osirica

Oak Park, MI

#6 Mar 25, 2012
Smith lied.

And you're willing to run with the lies, because you're unwilling to question anything Smith said.

Even if he took an island named "Comorros" with it's main city "Moroni" and made a myth out of it.

Dude looked at a map.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
One more item. There's a difference between spreading what you believe is the truth to people and, moving on if they are not interested in your opinion of your truth and, attacking people for what they believe day in and day out as you do and as Smurf does and many others do. That's having an "anti-religious" philosophy and agenda. And that describes you :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#7 Mar 26, 2012
Osirica wrote:
Smith lied.
And you're willing to run with the lies, because you're unwilling to question anything Smith said.
Even if he took an island named "Comorros" with it's main city "Moroni" and made a myth out of it.
Dude looked at a map.
<quoted text>
The apostle Peter lied and you suck up his lie(s). How do you know he didn't continue to lie? You don't know.
Jesus said he would be resurrected from the dead. Doubting Thomas called those that saw Jesus after his death liars. Doubting Thomas wouldn't believe Jesus was capable of coming back in a body after his death. He said he would have to have it proved to him it happened. Judas helped to be a part of a lie that got Jesus arrested. So we have bonafide Biblical liars, doubters and deceivers and yet you have an issue with Smith? Your own Christian belief is based on three apostles committed to lying, doubting the truth and being part of a lie for gain of money.
Your ignorance knows no direction or boundaries. Ignorant brain fart lol

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#8 Mar 26, 2012
Osirica wrote:
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
You have brain farts like some people have indigestion lol
If the above is pure religion, I know Muslims, Hindus, Native American Indians, Eskimos, Mormons, Baptists, Church of Christ, Buddah and many other people/religions that verse well defines.
Think before you speak next time lol

“Good day to you!”

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Earth

#9 Mar 26, 2012
Osirica wrote:
Even if he took an island named "Comorros" with it's main city "Moroni" and made a myth out of it.
Dude looked at a map.
<quoted text>
This should be easy for you then if you actually believe the above.
All you have to do is show evidence of which map Smith learned the name of those islands from that was printed before Aug. of 1829. All you have to do is prove where that map was at that he saw and state who printed that map to show one existed in his area prior to 1829 that he had access to.
...waiting for your evidence...any time now I'll get a link correct?
Osirica

Oak Park, MI

#10 Mar 26, 2012
The Apostle Peter told the truth.
Joseph Smith lied.

That's the distinction you can't seem to get.

You are so enamored with Joseph Smith that you will betray Christian faith in order to elevate Smith alone.

Joseph Smith was twice convicted of fraud, and once again for his banking scheme. He has no credibility to compare to the Apostles nor to Jesus, and even more so how he uses a Muslim accusation "Great Apostasy" to advance his scheme which you have adopted.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
The apostle Peter lied and you suck up his lie(s). How do you know he didn't continue to lie? You don't know.
Jesus said he would be resurrected from the dead. Doubting Thomas called those that saw Jesus after his death liars. Doubting Thomas wouldn't believe Jesus was capable of coming back in a body after his death. He said he would have to have it proved to him it happened. Judas helped to be a part of a lie that got Jesus arrested. So we have bonafide Biblical liars, doubters and deceivers and yet you have an issue with Smith? Your own Christian belief is based on three apostles committed to lying, doubting the truth and being part of a lie for gain of money.
Your ignorance knows no direction or boundaries. Ignorant brain fart lol
Osirica

Oak Park, MI

#11 Mar 26, 2012
And each of them would have far more respect for their religion than Mormons, Mormonism, Joseph Smith and his whole ploy of lies.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You have brain farts like some people have indigestion lol
If the above is pure religion, I know Muslims, Hindus, Native American Indians, Eskimos, Mormons, Baptists, Church of Christ, Buddah and many other people/religions that verse well defines.
Think before you speak next time lol
Osirica

Oak Park, MI

#12 Mar 26, 2012
I do not "have" to do anything.

Smith proved that he took the map since he used the names, and even spelled it the same way. Those people he interesected that came to him with their Egyptian artifacts and what not, their Muslim words like "Qalb", certainly brought him "Comorros" and "Moroni".

So no, I do not "have" to show you a map in the area, because he obviously could get his hands on maps that were not "in the area".

And you telling me that "all I have to do" is like a kid closing his ears going "I cant hear you" over and over.

Moroni on Hill Cumorrah, is from Meroni the largest city of Commoros.

No freaking DUH
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
This should be easy for you then if you actually believe the above.
All you have to do is show evidence of which map Smith learned the name of those islands from that was printed before Aug. of 1829. All you have to do is prove where that map was at that he saw and state who printed that map to show one existed in his area prior to 1829 that he had access to.
...waiting for your evidence...any time now I'll get a link correct?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#13 Mar 26, 2012
Osirica wrote:
The Apostle Peter told the truth.
Joseph Smith lied.
That's the distinction you can't seem to get.
You are so enamored with Joseph Smith that you will betray Christian faith in order to elevate Smith alone.
Joseph Smith was twice convicted of fraud, and once again for his banking scheme. He has no credibility to compare to the Apostles nor to Jesus, and even more so how he uses a Muslim accusation "Great Apostasy" to advance his scheme which you have adopted.
<quoted text>
Let's not forget how easily he lied concerning polygamy. Let's not also forget has sexual perversions in the name of the Lord. Sending men on missions far away so he could screw their wives, marrying 14yr old girls. Let's not also forget that the man who claim God gave him the Word of Wisdom was the worst keeper of it. You can judge a fruit by it's tree, and everything about Smiths life shows that him and God had never met.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#14 Mar 26, 2012
Osirica wrote:
The Apostle Peter told the truth.
Joseph Smith lied.
That's the distinction you can't seem to get.
You are so enamored with Joseph Smith that you will betray Christian faith in order to elevate Smith alone.
Joseph Smith was twice convicted of fraud, and once again for his banking scheme. He has no credibility to compare to the Apostles nor to Jesus, and even more so how he uses a Muslim accusation "Great Apostasy" to advance his scheme which you have adopted.
<quoted text>
The apostle Peter, viewed as the number 1 apostle, he lied to save his skin when he found it threatened with death for knowing Jesus. So he denied knowing Jesus to save his skin. Do you have any idea how the followers of Jesus felt hearing peter had denied knowing Jesus? Need an example? Pretend the Pope denied his testimony of Jesus and the media published that. Pretend the black panther party announced they were disbanding to join the Hare Krishna movement. Pretend Obama admitted the US government in cahoots with the mob killed JFK.
Those are some pretend scenarios to understand the type of reaction the followers of Jesus might have also experienced hearing that Peter denied knowing Jesus so he could save his life.
..........
I'm not enamored of Smith. Smith simply amazes me. He amazes many that have read his history.
What startles me for the stupid ignorance of it all is listening to dead brain farts like you who persecute Smith for what you claim are his faults and yet you over look the atrocities committed in the Bible from Genesis to Revelations by it's writers.
Peter lied to save his hide.
Thomas didn't believe in the resurrection of Jesus.
Judas thought Jesus spent the money for the poor on himself.
Paul is a reformed indirect murderer of who knows how many people.
And you have problems with Smith? lolol...that's funny :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#15 Mar 26, 2012
Osirica wrote:
I do not "have" to do anything.
Smith proved that he took the map since he used the names, and even spelled it the same way. Those people he interesected that came to him with their Egyptian artifacts and what not, their Muslim words like "Qalb", certainly brought him "Comorros" and "Moroni".
So no, I do not "have" to show you a map in the area, because he obviously could get his hands on maps that were not "in the area".
And you telling me that "all I have to do" is like a kid closing his ears going "I cant hear you" over and over.
Moroni on Hill Cumorrah, is from Meroni the largest city of Commoros.
No freaking DUH
<quoted text>
You made a statement before and you're making it again. Either prove it or else not proving it will prove you're belching hot air AGAIN.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16 Mar 26, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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I'm not enamored of Smith. Smith simply amazes me. He amazes many that have read his history.
What startles me for the stupid ignorance of it all is listening to dead brain farts like you who persecute Smith for what you claim are his faults and yet you over look the atrocities committed in the Bible from Genesis to Revelations by it's writers.
Peter lied to save his hide.
Smith lied to save his hide about polygamy. He lied to have sex with other men's wives. He lied to steal money in Kirtland, and you think Peter was the worst of the two?
Thomas didn't believe in the resurrection of Jesus.
And how was that a sin?
Judas thought Jesus spent the money for the poor on himself.
And became the most hated man in Christianities history, not someone people sing songs of praise about.
Paul is a reformed indirect murderer of who knows how many people.
And you have problems with Smith? lolol...that's funny :)
Joseph Smith ordered the execution of Gov. Boggs. That lead to the extermination order of the Mormons. So, Joseph Smith is directly responsible for the death of every member killed under that order. Smith didn't keep one word of wisdom commandment and he was the one claiming it was a revelation from God. He screwed 14yr old girls. He took away freedom of the press and freedom of speech in Nauvoo. He was a moral pig. If he was the best hope for God to "restore" God's church, there is no God. You might as well call Larry Flint a prophet of God.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#17 Mar 26, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Smith lied to save his hide about polygamy. He lied to have sex with other men's wives. He lied to steal money in Kirtland, and you think Peter was the worst of the two?
<quoted text>
And how was that a sin?
<quoted text>
And became the most hated man in Christianities history, not someone people sing songs of praise about.
<quoted text>
Joseph Smith ordered the execution of Gov. Boggs. That lead to the extermination order of the Mormons. So, Joseph Smith is directly responsible for the death of every member killed under that order. Smith didn't keep one word of wisdom commandment and he was the one claiming it was a revelation from God. He screwed 14yr old girls. He took away freedom of the press and freedom of speech in Nauvoo. He was a moral pig. If he was the best hope for God to "restore" God's church, there is no God. You might as well call Larry Flint a prophet of God.
You're a rumor monger. You make statements without facts. State your facts and we can have a conversation.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#18 Mar 26, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a rumor monger. You make statements without facts. State your facts and we can have a conversation.
I can prove any of my claims. Test me, please.
Osirica

Oak Park, MI

#19 Mar 27, 2012
YEA AND THAT LIE IS CONFESSED IN THE BIBLE

That's the DIFFERENCE.

The FLAWS of the APOSTLES ARE SHOWN FOR THE WORLD TO SEE,

NOT HIDDEN LIKE SMITH AND HIS ENDLESS LYING.

And with THAT undeniable FACT,

this conversation has ENDED AS WELL
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
The apostle Peter, viewed as the number 1 apostle, he lied to save his skin when he found it threatened with death for knowing Jesus. So he denied knowing Jesus to save his skin. Do you have any idea how the followers of Jesus felt hearing peter had denied knowing Jesus? Need an example? Pretend the Pope denied his testimony of Jesus and the media published that. Pretend the black panther party announced they were disbanding to join the Hare Krishna movement. Pretend Obama admitted the US government in cahoots with the mob killed JFK.
Those are some pretend scenarios to understand the type of reaction the followers of Jesus might have also experienced hearing that Peter denied knowing Jesus so he could save his life.
..........
I'm not enamored of Smith. Smith simply amazes me. He amazes many that have read his history.
What startles me for the stupid ignorance of it all is listening to dead brain farts like you who persecute Smith for what you claim are his faults and yet you over look the atrocities committed in the Bible from Genesis to Revelations by it's writers.
Peter lied to save his hide.
Thomas didn't believe in the resurrection of Jesus.
Judas thought Jesus spent the money for the poor on himself.
Paul is a reformed indirect murderer of who knows how many people.
And you have problems with Smith? lolol...that's funny :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20 Mar 27, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I can prove any of my claims. Test me, please.
This will be interesting.

Give the names of all the 14 year old girls you said Smith married and or was having sex with. You did earlier state Smith was marrying and having sex with 14 year old girls, as in plural, meaning more then one.
I want non-LDS links and LDS links that'll confirm any information of these 14 year olds you say he married and was having sex with.
So show what you believe are your facts :)

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