Attorney General Bill Schuette: EMU's...

Attorney General Bill Schuette: EMU's student's religious beliefs against homosexuality violated

There are 16 comments on the www.freep.com story from Mar 15, 2011, titled Attorney General Bill Schuette: EMU's student's religious beliefs against homosexuality violated. In it, www.freep.com reports that:

Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette has waded into a closely watched federal appeals case, siding with an Eastern Michigan University student who claims her dismissal from the university for refusing to counsel gay and lesbian patients violated her religious belief against homosexuality.

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Since: Dec 08

United States

#1 Mar 15, 2011
Same guy who finally fired a Gay bashing Assistant AG on his staff. What a surprise huh?

WAW

Since: Dec 07

T.O.

#2 Mar 15, 2011
I don't believe this is necessarily a religious/political issue. When one decides to become a counselor I believe it falls under the umbrella of the same ethics as a psychiatrist or therapist or doctor. You must treat all in the same manner. If you decide to eliminate some people due to difference in beliefs then you should become a preacher and spare the well-intentioned, hard-working people who dedicate their lives to these professions of these antics.

“Created Equal”

Since: Feb 08

USA

#3 Mar 15, 2011
Freedom of religion does NOT mean freedom to discriminate against whomever you want, in the name of religion.

Police, firefighters, doctors, nurses, educators, counsellors, and many other professions require an ETHICAL commitment to provide the same quality of service to anyone in the community... regardless of their gender, age, ethnicity, sexual orientation, hair color, or musical preference!

If your religious convictions conflict with that ethical social contract, then don't go into those professions. Remember when the KKK insisted that it's refusal to accept blacks as members of the community was a religious conviction? Remember when Hitler claimed religious convictions as his basis for condemning Jews? How about when Al Qaeda claimed religious justification for destroying the World Trade Center towers and killing thousands of people?

All of these are easily recognized as distortions of religious faith, perversions which twist a message of inspiration, love, and peace into justifications for doing evil. And to cite religious belief as a justification for discriminating against LGBT people is just such a distortion of religion. It is ethically and morally indefensible, and will not be tolerated.

Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs, no matter how ridiculous (as most of them are, in my opinion.) However, no religion entitles someone to dictate what others may or may not do or be. Religious belief does not give anyone the right to treat anyone else as second-class citizens, or as non-persons.

And cloaking anti-gay prejudice under a veil of "religious conviction" does not in any way weaken the movement for LGBT equality... but it does damage the integrity of those religious positions.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Tappahannock, VA

#4 Mar 15, 2011
The talibangelicals have already explicitly claimed that "religious" beliefs permit any kind of health care provider to refuse help on the basis of the patient's sexual orientation or behavior.

There have been numerous cases involving pharmacists giving out birth control, and others involving same sex couples as fertility clinics.

The logical, short term answer is to make it clear to the evilgelicals that non evangelical medical personnel should, by the same token, be permitted to refuse service to evilgelicals...on the basis of "religious" reasons.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#5 Mar 15, 2011
To the extent these people have any success, it is sure to come back and bite them. How many programs at Liberty University would be put at risk if diverse religious outlooks must be accommodated?
gaymarriedwithki ds

Chandler, AZ

#6 Mar 15, 2011
Why let her get all the way through the program just to have the professional organization censure her or pull her license? That's a waste of time and money for her and a black eye for the school.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#7 Mar 15, 2011
gaymarriedwithkids wrote:
Why let her get all the way through the program just to have the professional organization censure her or pull her license? That's a waste of time and money for her and a black eye for the school.
So if she made her refusal to counsel the person in her first year of the program it's OK to throw her out, but we can excuse her unprofessional and unethical conduct if she does so shortly before her graduation?

For a professional, therapy isn't about the therapist, it's about the client. She isn't cut out to provide the service to the public. She's free to go into religious therapy.
Fitz

Grosse Pointe, MI

#8 Mar 15, 2011
Its moves like this that will help the forces of traditional sexual morality win their case withincreasing numbers of Ameians.

Race is not sex and neither is wh you have sex with...

to use some myopic anology with race is to betray the importance of sex differences, religion and how "discrimination" law has a wide variety of stances within the law (disability, poitical belief, ect)
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#9 Mar 15, 2011
Fitz wrote:
Its moves like this that will help the forces of traditional sexual morality win their case withincreasing numbers of Ameians.
Race is not sex and neither is wh you have sex with...
to use some myopic anology with race is to betray the importance of sex differences, religion and how "discrimination" law has a wide variety of stances within the law (disability, poitical belief, ect)
Not any more
.
American Medical Association (AMA) releases new guidelines effective February 19, 2011
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"Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity are conferred during the first 12 weeks of gestation, and they are irreversible"
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If you're at a computer that plays webcasts; check it out
http://media01.commpartners.com/AMA/sexual_id...
Fitz

Grosse Pointe, MI

#10 Mar 15, 2011
So are a blindness and deafness...that dosent require blind bus drivers and dead telephone operators...

Your way of base on your AMA stuff anyway...
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#11 Mar 15, 2011
gaymarriedwithkids wrote:
Why let her get all the way through the program just to have the professional organization censure her or pull her license? That's a waste of time and money for her and a black eye for the school.
Perhaps the school isn't permitted to ask certain questions
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#12 Mar 15, 2011
Fitz wrote:
So are a blindness and deafness...that dosent require blind bus drivers and dead telephone operators...
Your way of base on your AMA stuff anyway...
You replied in 7 minutes; it takes 54 minutes to watch the AMA webcast
gaymarriedwithki ds

Phoenix, AZ

#13 Mar 15, 2011
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
So if she made her refusal to counsel the person in her first year of the program it's OK to throw her out, but we can excuse her unprofessional and unethical conduct if she does so shortly before her graduation?
For a professional, therapy isn't about the therapist, it's about the client. She isn't cut out to provide the service to the public. She's free to go into religious therapy.
No. Not what I meant. Its stupid to let her graduate at any point of her training when it becomes clear she does not intend to practice according to her professional organizations ethics guidelines. If she did graduate the professional organization would just biotch slap her.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#14 Mar 15, 2011
gaymarriedwithkids wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Not what I meant. Its stupid to let her graduate at any point of her training when it becomes clear she does not intend to practice according to her professional organizations ethics guidelines. If she did graduate the professional organization would just biotch slap her.
Fair enough. I misunderstood your meaning.
Keith Douglas Warren

Boston, MA

#15 Mar 16, 2011
This woman's religious rights were not violated. Instead, she violated the school's imperative that all students be treated equally. She should have considered this, researched it, before attending any particular school, or going into any particular profession. That said, if the school is receiving Federal monies in any form, vis-a-vis student loans, it must act within Federal parameters. This will also be true in practice when she likely hopes to be receiving payment from Insurance companies and/or Medicaid/care either through private practice or in an agency setting.

The ramifications of her actions fall on her. What she does after she graduates will be held against the standards of a Professional organization. There are plenty of bigotted Professionals around, she'll certainly have a community.

As to the AMA, while the content of their infomercial is welcomed, the organization itself is hardly trustworthy. We have no real need to rely on this antiquated 'ole boys' network for validation. It's current membership lies between one quarter and one third of the doctors in the country, many poorly trained. It is a political action commitee first, and as an organization interested in it's own power firt and foremost.
Amy Hunter

Kalamazoo, MI

#16 Mar 18, 2011
TomInElPaso wrote:
Same guy who finally fired a Gay bashing Assistant AG on his staff. What a surprise huh?
Actually, it was Michigan's last AG, Mike Cox who fired Andrew Shirvell but, only after it looked as if it was necessary to save his own far-right credentials. Why Bill Schuette feels it is ok for the State's Attorney General to personally weigh-in on an appeal on the 6th circuit is beyond me.

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