Wabash student found dead in fraterni...

Wabash student found dead in fraternity house

There are 41 comments on the WTHR-TV Indianapolis story from Oct 6, 2008, titled Wabash student found dead in fraternity house. In it, WTHR-TV Indianapolis reports that:

Police and officials at Wabash College are investigating the death of a freshman over the weekend.

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Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#21 Oct 16, 2008
I didn't drink until I was 23.

I was raised that there were things adults did and things that kids did. And when you were an adult you could do what you wanted but that stupidity wasn't going to win you points. But then, my parents never drank at home--not even beer. It was never seen as entertainment or a necessity. Parents who joke about getting drunk or drink at home are part of the problem.
Sabinus wrote:
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if you honestly think you can get kids to not drink before they are 21 then I dont know what to say to you. Kids are going to drink. Teach them to drink responsibly and you dont have problems.
Kellen

United States

#22 Oct 16, 2008
Wow dude, you still dressing like a gay dracula. I know Halloween is coming and you got to get your scare on, but man that just screams Drag Queen! Man up and grow a pair there gay dog.
tsk tsk

United States

#23 Oct 16, 2008
BSBS wrote:
Regardless,there's a dead kid as a result of alcohol abuse whether provoked or not.
You should call the coroner and save us all a bunch of money if you know what killed this kid. No need to pay for toxicology labs if someone knows what killed him.
Were you there?

Since: Jan 08

Indianapolis, IN

#24 Oct 17, 2008
Cpetr13 wrote:
I didn't drink until I was 23.
I was raised that there were things adults did and things that kids did. And when you were an adult you could do what you wanted but that stupidity wasn't going to win you points. But then, my parents never drank at home--not even beer. It was never seen as entertainment or a necessity. Parents who joke about getting drunk or drink at home are part of the problem.
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sorry, but you are in the vast majority. In an ideal world kids wouldnt drink before they were 21. But they do so its better to teach them to drink safely than risk letting them go off to college with no experience with drinking. Its the same arguement people have with abstenence only sex ed vs. protection based sex ed.
Sabinus

United States

#25 Oct 17, 2008
You make me think we probably need something like they have for beginning drivers (learner's permit) for beginning drinkers...all 18 year old kids should be given a (learner's drinking permit)...you ABUSE alcohol, or FAIL the test on signs of alcohol poisoning/dangers, you lose your license to drink/buy alcohol.

They have it with guns...you abuse your right to carry, they take your permit away.

hmmm...food for thought.
oops

United States

#26 Oct 17, 2008
didn't mean to put "Sabinus" on my sig line...sorry!

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#27 Oct 17, 2008
In the vast majority of what?

I went away to college, and didn't drink. It wasn't due to some vague moral stricture, it was that I was brought up with alcohol being a footnote in life, not a major attraction. It's the modeling and emphasis on drinking that is the problem.

Sex, on the other hand, is a biological drive. Sexual attraction and reactions occur regardless of the environment, not to mention that puberty is occurring earlier than ever before in our species. There are 10yo's getting pregnant. Do you think 10yo's should have a beer to get accustomed to it?
Sabinus wrote:
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sorry, but you are in the vast majority. In an ideal world kids wouldnt drink before they were 21. But they do so its better to teach them to drink safely than risk letting them go off to college with no experience with drinking. Its the same arguement people have with abstenence only sex ed vs. protection based sex ed.
mads

United States

#28 Oct 17, 2008
BSBS.
YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS KID DIED FROM ALCOHOL ABUSE.
THAT IS WHY YOU ARE FULL OF BS.

Since: Jan 08

Indianapolis, IN

#29 Oct 17, 2008
sorry, i mean the vast minority. No I dont think 10 year olds should get beer just like I dont think they should be having sex. 18 year olds should experience drinking at home before they go to college if they want to. But the vast majority of college students drink when they get to school. For their own safety their first expereince with beer should be in a controled environment with people around to watch out for them
mads

United States

#30 Oct 17, 2008
Sabinus,
Ohio is set up for that. A minor (with their guardian) is allowed to drink alcohol under their laws. You can go to Applebee's and order a beer for your 15 year old.(Now, Kings Island is a different story, they have their own law against this)
I guess we can go to our neighboring state and teach them, huh?

Since: Jan 08

Indianapolis, IN

#31 Oct 17, 2008
mads wrote:
Sabinus,
Ohio is set up for that. A minor (with their guardian) is allowed to drink alcohol under their laws. You can go to Applebee's and order a beer for your 15 year old.(Now, Kings Island is a different story, they have their own law against this)
I guess we can go to our neighboring state and teach them, huh?
im not sure if they should let 15 year olds do it, but I like that system. Take the mystique away from it and kids will do it responsibility
JHA

United States

#32 Oct 18, 2008
Young people in Europe drink wine at an early age as part of their meals. Just sayin'.

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#33 Oct 18, 2008
And despite popular myth, alcoholism is a serious problem throughout europe.
JHA wrote:
Young people in Europe drink wine at an early age as part of their meals. Just sayin'.
JHA

United States

#34 Oct 19, 2008
Cpetr13 wrote:
And despite popular myth, alcoholism is a serious problem throughout europe.
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How do you know?

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#35 Oct 19, 2008
Medical reviews of statistics, including the enormous rise in rehabilitation or alcoholism. Europe has always tolerated getting drunk (okay, maybe not the british so much) and were far less likely to be labeled as alcoholics or seek treatment for it.
JHA wrote:
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How do you know?
JHA

United States

#36 Oct 19, 2008
What statistics? Can you be specific?

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#37 Oct 19, 2008
Here's the usual problem; i read journals and books, not the internet, for my facts (much easier on my eyes.) I often have a hard time finding links. I believe it was the Lancet that had that info, but their site doesn't necessarily put up everything in their journals. But that would be the place to start.

Europa discussed alcohol use in context of european POV, but doesn't give stats. But even it admits that rehab is on the rise as awareness rises.
JHA wrote:
What statistics? Can you be specific?
Are you kidding me

Glen Carbon, IL

#38 Oct 28, 2008
I like how everyone's like "this kid's parents should have taught him about the dangers of alcohol."
Here's a novel idea: if it was hazing, those men's parents should have taught them about obeying the goddamn law and about how dumb it is to haze. The college should have done the same, not just because it results in protecting students from ridiculous things happening but because the University is almost always somehow liable. The University should have known what liability it was opening itself up to.
fraturnity cook

Indianapolis, IN

#39 Nov 7, 2008
I am a mother of two teenagers. I know that one of my children has tried alcohol. I can only tell them the facts and the consequences if they do drink. I pray every day for them to make the best judgements possible. You can't blame the parents. Once they are out the door they are faced with a whole new world to deal with. Fraturnity life is not a bad thing. I watch people grow into adults and see their lives change everyday. The love in the house and closeness, forever friendships, and maturity as they get a good education. Away from home for the first time is like a shock to their bodies almost. I see compassionate caring young adults,
they watch each others backs, they are there for one another. I treasure the job I have and I watch over them like they are my own children. I feel much sympathy for the family and I pray that this unfortunate situation will really open these college kids eyes up. The money and all spent for an education is so much more worth than trying to fit in somewhere that just isn't meant for everyone.
ugh

United States

#40 Nov 10, 2008
Wabash Mom wrote:
The campus and town police allow underage drinking, it is a fact. I was on campus 10/4/08 in the evening and saw hundreds of "kids" stumbling with bottles in hand. It is condoned. Hazing is expected and condoned as well...men will be men! My son will be transfering in the Spring. Johnny to them, was just someone who couldn't handle the Gentleman Rule.
Uhm, yeah. So you asked each of those 'kids' for some ID? And when they were underage, did you tell them to pour out their beer? Newsflash, half of the students in college are old enough to drink legally. I doubt you really are a Wabash mom.

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