Wabash student found dead in fraternity house

Police and officials at Wabash College are investigating the death of a freshman over the weekend.

[MADD]

This is the SECOND young man from Wabash College to die in almost less than a year. How many more parents are going to have to suffer the lack of responsibility of University Officials to enforce state laws with regard to drinking? You turn your student over to a university, pay monies that are incredible, and the universities not only turn a deaf ear to this massive problem but likewise are now trying to promote(100 of them) lowering the drinking ages!

Bless this young man and his family and prayers to each. University Presidents DO YOUR JOBS!

[Nunya]

How exactly could the University stop students from drinking?

Why does someone/something always have to be blamed for an individuals choice?

R.I.P. young man!

[Cpetr13]

What would you like? Hourly breathalyzers? Mandatory searches of dorms?

If a student is going to drink, he is going to drink. The university cannot keep tabs on every student. If the parents didn't raise him to be responsible, it's a little late to hold the school responsible.

The blame game is the moron's answer to every issue. Unless someone tied him down and make him drink through a funnel until he died, the responsibility rests with the deceased.

MADD wrote:

This is the SECOND young man from Wabash College to die in almost less than a year. How many more parents are going to have to suffer the lack of responsibility of University Officials to enforce state laws with regard to drinking? You turn your student over to a university, pay monies that are incredible, and the universities not only turn a deaf ear to this massive problem but likewise are now trying to promote(100 of them) lowering the drinking ages!
Bless this young man and his family and prayers to each. University Presidents DO YOUR JOBS!

[Sabinus]

this is what happens when parents dont teach their children about alcohol. Dont let their first exposure be in circumstances where there isnt anyone there to watch out for them.

[Gar]

It's hard to know who to blame in a situation like this. On one hand you could blame the parents, on another you could blame the school, and of course others will blame the fraternity. It comes down to a personal decision to drink. If someone was "peer pressured" they could just walk away from the situation. Just because to pledge to a fraternity doesn't mean you have to give up your morals, there are plenty of people who have stopped during pledgeship to become independents and live in the dorms. This is a horrible tragedy and I can't imagine the pain that the family is going through. But now is not the time to point fingers and play the blame game. Take care of each other, get all of the facts for what happened and then you can choose to accuse.

[Slimey]

A conversation overheard at the frat house prior to the 911 call:

"Dude, you're like, the only person to actually ever chug sixteen ounces of PGA with two candles up his nose and a banana up his butt! Usually, we give our pledges a bid from them having the courage to say 'No' but you ACTUALLY PULLED IT OFF! Dude, you're so in!...Dude?...Dude?!"

[abc]

Slimey wrote:

A conversation overheard at the frat house prior to the 911 call:
"Dude, you're like, the only person to actually ever chug sixteen ounces of PGA with two candles up his nose and a banana up his butt! Usually, we give our pledges a bid from them having the courage to say 'No' but you ACTUALLY PULLED IT OFF! Dude, you're so in!...Dude?...Dude?!"

Like you have access to what was said at the house? Right!

[abc]

Like you know what was said at the house--right.

[Slimey]

abc wrote:

Like you know what was said at the house--right.

You took that seriously? Wow.

[Wabash Mom]

Ok...first of all, it was homecoming weekend on campus. Pledges for all fraternities were under a tremondous amount of pressure the week prior to win the float contest. I know this because my son was a pledge for another fraternity and de-pledged just before b/c of hazing. This school is about superiority among men. The only two ways you can get kicked out of Wabash is to cheat or fight. The campus and town police allow underage drinking, it is a fact. I was on campus 10/4/08 in the evening and saw hundreds of "kids" stumbling with bottles in hand. It is condoned. Hazing is expected and condoned as well...men will be men! My son will be transfering in the Spring. Johnny to them, was just someone who couldn't handle the Gentleman Rule.

[tsk tsk]

So, Wabash Mom, just what college is your son going to transfer where there are not "hundreds of 'kids'" drinking on the weekends?

[Slimey]

tsk tsk wrote:

So, Wabash Mom, just what college is your son going to transfer where there are not "hundreds of 'kids'" drinking on the weekends?

Pennsylvania Amish School of Technology

[Cpetr13]

MAke sure he lives off-campus; there's no point in dwelling in the P.A.S.T.

Slimey wrote:

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Pennsylvania Amish School of Technology

[tsk tsk]

"I was on campus 10/4/08 in the evening and saw hundreds of "kids" stumbling with bottles in hand. It is condoned."

What did YOU do when you saw underage kids drinking?...my guess...NOTHING...you "condoned" it.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

[Corbin Leape]

This is what happens when parents fail to teach their kids to drink responsibly. As long as we ignore alcohol and act like it doesn't exiist, it will be taboo to kids and make them want it even more. Whish is why they binge drink and go crazy when they finally get a taste...which will be BEFORE they turn 21. They drink "out of reach" of adult supervision to avoid jail and punishment for drinking and therefore get no direction, advice, or help in drinking responsibly. Teach your kids to have a beer in moderation. Screw the law...save your kid's lives instead.

[Cpetr13]

How about raising them with the idea that drinking is not something you do before the age of 21, and that drinking creates a lot of health concerns.

And if they still don't get the message, have them watch "Intervention" and "Tales from the ER" to show what can happen when you take drinking for granted.

Corbin Leape wrote:

This is what happens when parents fail to teach their kids to drink responsibly. As long as we ignore alcohol and act like it doesn't exiist, it will be taboo to kids and make them want it even more. Whish is why they binge drink and go crazy when they finally get a taste...which will be BEFORE they turn 21. They drink "out of reach" of adult supervision to avoid jail and punishment for drinking and therefore get no direction, advice, or help in drinking responsibly. Teach your kids to have a beer in moderation. Screw the law...save your kid's lives instead.

[Sabinus]

Cpetr13 wrote:

How about raising them with the idea that drinking is not something you do before the age of 21, and that drinking creates a lot of health concerns.
And if they still don't get the message, have them watch "Intervention" and "Tales from the ER" to show what can happen when you take drinking for granted.
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if you honestly think you can get kids to not drink before they are 21 then I dont know what to say to you. Kids are going to drink. Teach them to drink responsibly and you dont have problems.

[BSBS]

Sabinus wrote:

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if you honestly think you can get kids to not drink before they are 21 then I dont know what to say to you. Kids are going to drink. Teach them to drink responsibly and you dont have problems.

Bullshit. Alcohol and Alcoholism are nothing but a disease. Ask an alcoholic that is trying to recover. Their body does not break down the alcohol as it does for normal people. I doubt seriously that this kid was an alcoholic but I'll gurantee this. Some of the frat bros are. No doubt. He was trying to fit in.It is all too sad.

[tsk tsk]

BS, you are full of BS.

[BSBS]

OK. you are entitled to your opinion. I know first hand about the addiction and how it messed up my family. I have lived and studied it. Have you. Regardless,there's a dead kid as a result of alcohol abuse whether provoked or not. It is all sad as I said b4