Historic Richmond burial ground for enslaved, freed blacks set for restoration

May 21, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WTVR Richmond

An historic burial ground in Richmond that has been the center of protests is finally headed for a restoration.

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"The site, used as a burial ground from about 1750 to 1816, has been a parking lot since the 1970s. It was purchased by VCU in 2008.
The exact location of the burial ground is unclear, and it might have been disturbed years ago with the construction of Interstate 95 and other changes to the land, according to state archaeologists and the Richmond Slave Trail Commission."
In other words, Sod el-Amin Green and King Salami lied about it being the burial site for slaves in their spews.
NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY knows if there ever were or still are any bodies under the parking lot.
Where were these two idiots back in 1970 when it was turned into a parking lot?
The state just wasted $3.3 million on nothing.
Are you really crying over spilt milk?

The whole idea is centered around Virginia not having to say that we knowingly allowed I-95 to be built upon slave's graves without properly relocating them. It's called, "compromise".

Big step for a government that allowed slavery to be lawful, small tax break for the VCU. Virginis own VCU, correct? It's like you giving your wife $5000. to buy a chair for you to sit in.

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General Sherman wrote:
<quoted text> Are you really crying over spilt milk?
The whole idea is centered around Virginia not having to say that we knowingly allowed I-95 to be built upon slave's graves without properly relocating them. It's called, "compromise".
Big step for a government that allowed slavery to be lawful, small tax break for the VCU. Virginis own VCU, correct? It's like you giving your wife $5000. to buy a chair for you to sit in.
Are you really that simple?

Wasting $3.3 MILLION is not spilled milk. It is a waste since as you said, the state owns VCU.

No reason to "pay" VCU to transfer the property, the state already owned it.

Especially since NOBODY even knows if there are any bodies there.

Maybe you are foolish enough to give your wife $5000 to buy a chair, but I can think of plenty of better ways to spend the taxpayers money.
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<quoted text> If all that you say is true, wouldn't the confederacy be an albatross around the necks of white southerners? The real question is who is going to let go first.
I really liked your posts but it should have addressed both sides at the same time and it would have killed two losses with one pen.
Being that noone in the Union a.k.a U.S.A a.k.a the government was around during the confederate riot which is the biggest riot in America history. It couldn't be considered a war because it was prohibited by the constitution. What if the descendents of the Watts' riots wanted a day or two for Watts being burned, would that make any more sense than the confederate sons getting a month?
Not saying that you're a part of that group, just want your input.
To answer your question,yes,the white people running around waving the Confederate Battleflag and saying stupid stuff like the south is going to rise again are just as sad and embarassing as the ones who can't let go of the fact that their ancestors were slaves.
History is just that...things that happened in the past.I love history,and it's important to know to understand where we are and how we got to where we are today,but you can't live in the past.Slavery was an extremely ugly part of our past.It cast both white people AND black people in an ugly light.Mass treason by the former Confederacy was an ugly chapter in our history as well.
we can use our history to better understand where we want to go in the future,or we can let it be an albatross around our necks.In the case of Mr.El Amin and his crew,I can't help but feel that their constant ranting about one of the ugliest chapters in our collective histories is counter productive and divisive.We who had nothing to do with this ugly chapter shouldn't have to feel guilt over what our great great great grandfathers did.We've apologised unnecesrarily for it already,and enough is enough.

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HB,
"In the case of Mr.El Amin and his crew,I can't help but feel that their constant ranting about one of the ugliest chapters in our collective histories is counter productive and divisive.We who had nothing to do with this ugly chapter shouldn't have to feel guilt over what our great great great grandfathers did.We've apologised unnecesrarily for it already,and enough is enough."

Without his constant spewing, people might remember that Sod el Amin Green is a convicted felon that lost his law license for stealing from his clients.

He has nothing else to keep him in the spot light. Sod wants to make everyone feel that they owe him something.

Sadly, it is Sod el Amin Green that owes many people something, starting with an apology and restitution for his crimes against society.

Don't hold your breath waiting for anything but another lie filled spew from el Amin Green.
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Sod el Amin Green was NEVER relevant and has always been a liar.
King Salami hitched his wagon to a dead horse (Sod el Amin Green). No matter how hard you beat it, it will not get up and pull the wagon. King Salami is just too warped by his own racism to see that. Both idiots need the other to make them feel important.
You're preaching to the choir taz...
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To answer your question,yes,the white people running around waving the Confederate Battleflag and saying stupid stuff like the south is going to rise again are just as sad and embarassing as the ones who can't let go of the fact that their ancestors were slaves.
History is just that...things that happened in the past.I love history,and it's important to know to understand where we are and how we got to where we are today,but you can't live in the past.Slavery was an extremely ugly part of our past.It cast both white people AND black people in an ugly light.Mass treason by the former Confederacy was an ugly chapter in our history as well.
we can use our history to better understand where we want to go in the future,or we can let it be an albatross around our necks.In the case of Mr.El Amin and his crew,I can't help but feel that their constant ranting about one of the ugliest chapters in our collective histories is counter productive and divisive.We who had nothing to do with this ugly chapter shouldn't have to feel guilt over what our great great great grandfathers did.We've apologised unnecesrarily for it already,and enough is enough.
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I agree with your thoughts but would also like to add the following: 1) Not ALL white people owned slaves, and 2) Not all white people were anywhere near this country at the time slavery was legal. My ancestors for instance, did not move here from Europe until 100+ years ago, and they too had battles to fight. 3) To blame all white people for slavery is no different then saying all black people are lazy and on welfare.

In any event, it is too late now because the money has now been spent. I hope that whatever they intend to do becomes something nice for everyone to enjoy, not like Wilder's overgrown embarrassment of a slave museum, that he owes back taxes on.
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I agree with your thoughts but would also like to add the following: 1) Not ALL white people owned slaves, and 2) Not all white people were anywhere near this country at the time slavery was legal. My ancestors for instance, did not move here from Europe until 100+ years ago, and they too had battles to fight. 3) To blame all white people for slavery is no different then saying all black people are lazy and on welfare.
In any event, it is too late now because the money has now been spent. I hope that whatever they intend to do becomes something nice for everyone to enjoy, not like Wilder's overgrown embarrassment of a slave museum, that he owes back taxes on.
You're not considered white. You have a geneology. You choose to identify yourself as one them for whatever reason.

You're excused!
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To answer your question,yes,the white people running around waving the Confederate Battleflag and saying stupid stuff like the south is going to rise again are just as sad and embarassing as the ones who can't let go of the fact that their ancestors were slaves.
History is just that...things that happened in the past.I love history,and it's important to know to understand where we are and how we got to where we are today,but you can't live in the past.Slavery was an extremely ugly part of our past.It cast both white people AND black people in an ugly light.Mass treason by the former Confederacy was an ugly chapter in our history as well.
we can use our history to better understand where we want to go in the future,or we can let it be an albatross around our necks.In the case of Mr.El Amin and his crew,I can't help but feel that their constant ranting about one of the ugliest chapters in our collective histories is counter productive and divisive.We who had nothing to do with this ugly chapter shouldn't have to feel guilt over what our great great great grandfathers did.We've apologised unnecesrarily for it already,and enough is enough.
Only one disagreement with the entire post. You aren't apologizing, the government is.

The government was responsible for protecting the freedoms of all people, not just a selected few. It is unfortunate that for many years no leader had the balls to do what needed to be done to correct the situation sooner. Many had grand gestures of what should have taken place, Thomas Jefferson, who even broke the law on behalf of his own mixed raced children.

I, personally, would like to see the racial divide obliterated but the generation of hatred has not passed on, yet. This topix forum is an excellent example of why the government can't step out of the way just yet. It's an unscientific study but there are approximately 9 unique users that frequent the site. 5 extreme irrationalists, 1, myself, that just takes the opposition. 1, you, that provides facts and the last user, Jeff k, possesses the ability to think but allies himself with the radicals on lighter subjects.

There are more users that drop by, I believe them to be seekers. Crazy white guy that calls himself an indian doesn't count. It's hilarious how easily enemies from Europe align themselves to be allies; simply because someone came up with the idea of consolidating them with a color, "white". This speaks volumes about their lack of identity and they really hold esteem to the title. lol.

The government is not the people, may be the people's earnings but it is not the people. At any given time, someone is always disappointed with the job that is being done. But disappointed is the only opposition to bein proud. Same stupidity that blacks and whites apply to their own children. Might have been happy that my child accomplished what he set out to do but how does a person take pride in another's accomplishment?
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Glen Allen wrote:
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I agree with your thoughts but would also like to add the following: 1) Not ALL white people owned slaves, and 2) Not all white people were anywhere near this country at the time slavery was legal. My ancestors for instance, did not move here from Europe until 100+ years ago, and they too had battles to fight. 3) To blame all white people for slavery is no different then saying all black people are lazy and on welfare.
In any event, it is too late now because the money has now been spent. I hope that whatever they intend to do becomes something nice for everyone to enjoy, not like Wilder's overgrown embarrassment of a slave museum, that he owes back taxes on.
What money was spent? I'm sure that some blacks from some time period, adequately paid for the parking lot to be built next to a public university. Look at all the years that they paid in but couldn't attend. The state didn't even charge the city. As far as the state giving VCU $3.3 million, they just moved the money from one account to another, it's still Virginia's money.
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HB,
"In the case of Mr.El Amin and his crew,I can't help but feel that their constant ranting about one of the ugliest chapters in our collective histories is counter productive and divisive.We who had nothing to do with this ugly chapter shouldn't have to feel guilt over what our great great great grandfathers did.We've apologised unnecesrarily for it already,and enough is enough."
Without his constant spewing, people might remember that Sod el Amin Green is a convicted felon that lost his law license for stealing from his clients.
He has nothing else to keep him in the spot light. Sod wants to make everyone feel that they owe him something.
Sadly, it is Sod el Amin Green that owes many people something, starting with an apology and restitution for his crimes against society.
Don't hold your breath waiting for anything but another lie filled spew from el Amin Green.
Taz, even McDonnell figured out that punishing criminals forever was hurting the state. Might see an increase in electoral votes, if he actually approves the 10-15,000 request that he intends to and the future governors follow suit.
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<quoted text> Only one disagreement with the entire post. You aren't apologizing, the government is.
The government was responsible for protecting the freedoms of all people, not just a selected few. It is unfortunate that for many years no leader had the balls to do what needed to be done to correct the situation sooner. Many had grand gestures of what should have taken place, Thomas Jefferson, who even broke the law on behalf of his own mixed raced children.
I, personally, would like to see the racial divide obliterated but the generation of hatred has not passed on, yet. This topix forum is an excellent example of why the government can't step out of the way just yet. It's an unscientific study but there are approximately 9 unique users that frequent the site. 5 extreme irrationalists, 1, myself, that just takes the opposition. 1, you, that provides facts and the last user, Jeff k, possesses the ability to think but allies himself with the radicals on lighter subjects.
There are more users that drop by, I believe them to be seekers. Crazy white guy that calls himself an indian doesn't count. It's hilarious how easily enemies from Europe align themselves to be allies; simply because someone came up with the idea of consolidating them with a color, "white". This speaks volumes about their lack of identity and they really hold esteem to the title. lol.
The government is not the people, may be the people's earnings but it is not the people. At any given time, someone is always disappointed with the job that is being done. But disappointed is the only opposition to bein proud. Same stupidity that blacks and whites apply to their own children. Might have been happy that my child accomplished what he set out to do but how does a person take pride in another's accomplishment?
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The government is run by people, none of which were born yet when slavery was legal, so why should the government apologize, and to whom should they apologize, no former slaves are still alive and you cannot very well apologize to a dead person.

I think you would have a difficult time finding any intelligent person that thinks slavery was an acceptable practice, but all of the apologies in the world will not erase that stain in history. You do not have to forget it happened, but you do have to move on and live life the best you can. The alternative is to be depressing, angry, spiteful, hateful men like Said' ala-AsssWipe and King Salami.
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Please contact the FBI regarding the corrupt Henrico County Government!!!

I heard a few of the corrupt Henrico County judges are under investigation.

Please contact the Christian Right, Pruitt and Nemitz regarding the proper treatment of children. They were so helpful to my children in their hours and 6 YEARS of need. I am sure Jesus is PROUD!!!

No wonder why Muslims think Christians are full of CRAP!!!!
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The government is run by people, none of which were born yet when slavery was legal, so why should the government apologize, and to whom should they apologize, no former slaves are still alive and you cannot very well apologize to a dead person.
I think you would have a difficult time finding any intelligent person that thinks slavery was an acceptable practice, but all of the apologies in the world will not erase that stain in history. You do not have to forget it happened, but you do have to move on and live life the best you can. The alternative is to be depressing, angry, spiteful, hateful men like Said' ala-AsssWipe and King Salami.
Slavery has to be an acceptable practice. If it weren't, then somewhere to stay would not be used as a means of collecting ownership fees.

Wealthy people don't establish governments, legislators do. The only profession protected by the creation of government is Lawyers. We call this system,"checks and balances" and we view it has a two party system, divided into 5 distinct groups. President/governor, attorney general, judicial, congress and the senate.

We vote on whomever the wealthy allow us to vote on. Legislation was just prevented that would have stopped corporation contributions to the political venue. If it had happened, this would have become a worker's democracy, socialism. People throw the word, "socialism" around but they don't understand that middle class cannot be a part of either political polarization, if they in fact, don't want to remain the middle class.

The creation of black/white enforces a control over political outcomes, guaranteed criminal ventures as well as a hinderence for constant foward movement.
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<quoted text> Slavery has to be an acceptable practice. If it weren't, then somewhere to stay would not be used as a means of collecting ownership fees.
Wealthy people don't establish governments, legislators do. The only profession protected by the creation of government is Lawyers. We call this system,"checks and balances" and we view it has a two party system, divided into 5 distinct groups. President/governor, attorney general, judicial, congress and the senate.
We vote on whomever the wealthy allow us to vote on. Legislation was just prevented that would have stopped corporation contributions to the political venue. If it had happened, this would have become a worker's democracy, socialism. People throw the word, "socialism" around but they don't understand that middle class cannot be a part of either political polarization, if they in fact, don't want to remain the middle class.
The creation of black/white enforces a control over political outcomes, guaranteed criminal ventures as well as a hinderence for constant foward movement.
Slavery is wrong. It is anti-human. It is anti-Christian. Treat people like you want to be treated. Do you want to be a slave? If you do, then get over here and cut my lawn and wash my car and change and wash my sheets-then make dinner for my children.

Be nice. Tell your little buddies to cut out the bad language and go make yourself useful and beat up some bad cops and firemen for me.

Does anyone care about children?
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General Sherman,

You are obviously highly intelligent. Please use that gift to help people. If your wife doesn't want the $5,000, I will take it to buy a new car for the safety of my children.

Thank you very much.
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Many of the middle class view progressivism as the problem, it isn't. The problem is the point that a person finds himself behind the curve. The citizen can't identify the reason that he's there and he looks to a politician to tell him.

It's very rare that anyone exceeds the average growth of the nation in which they reside, unless they can pull revenue from the majority of the people. Bill Gates accomplished such a task. His growth or perception there of had to be controlled by taxation. Too much capital and his move to Pakistan could have really hurt the American economy.$60 billion gone from the cycle.

Picture the economy as a water wheel transferring water from a body of water. The water that actually makes it into the trough is for consumption. When a person collects water to the side to drink later, his water goes bad, if it isn't put back into circulation.
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General Sherman wrote:
Many of the middle class view progressivism as the problem, it isn't. The problem is the point that a person finds himself behind the curve. The citizen can't identify the reason that he's there and he looks to a politician to tell him.
It's very rare that anyone exceeds the average growth of the nation in which they reside, unless they can pull revenue from the majority of the people. Bill Gates accomplished such a task. His growth or perception there of had to be controlled by taxation. Too much capital and his move to Pakistan could have really hurt the American economy.$60 billion gone from the cycle.
Picture the economy as a water wheel transferring water from a body of water. The water that actually makes it into the trough is for consumption. When a person collects water to the side to drink later, his water goes bad, if it isn't put back into circulation.
Hey Smart Pants can't you get one of your highly intelligent lawyer friends to help my children??

I am way behind the curve! Isn't there anyone who will have pity on my kids?

Don't you want me to just go away--This will accomplish just that. Help me and I promise to leave your precious Topix alone.
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General Sherman wrote:
Many of the middle class view progressivism as the problem, it isn't. The problem is the point that a person finds himself behind the curve. The citizen can't identify the reason that he's there and he looks to a politician to tell him.
It's very rare that anyone exceeds the average growth of the nation in which they reside, unless they can pull revenue from the majority of the people. Bill Gates accomplished such a task. His growth or perception there of had to be controlled by taxation. Too much capital and his move to Pakistan could have really hurt the American economy.$60 billion gone from the cycle.
Picture the economy as a water wheel transferring water from a body of water. The water that actually makes it into the trough is for consumption. When a person collects water to the side to drink later, his water goes bad, if it isn't put back into circulation.
Picture this, if you don't help me not only will I annoy you forever but my children will suffer and you will have to live with the fact that you had the Brains to help them and you sat there typing away and did nothing.
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Invention and technology replace the amount of workers that it takes to produce a product. It seems to be okay, when the cycle first begins. As the cycle begins to crawl the ladder of success, people that were once in a higher working class begin to fall below and behind the curve.

Job displacement equals life altering events. The first people to feel the effects are the people that had aspirations of acheiving something better than average; college graduates. These are the people that congress can't allow to get off of the debt hook. The job market will never keep up with the number of college students that enter.

Basically, the government has been supplementing military careers for professional careers for college grads. As a certain group of Americans seek to downsize the government, this group will turn into overeducated burger flippers. Teens will be the first to lose opportunities, then the increasing percentage of adult high school dropouts. Followed by high school grads.

The idea of Lockheed-Martin in eliminating welfare is in direct relation to the overpopulation dilemma. Force enough people into poverty without relief and before their bodies become too weak, they will revolt. People will die, the population really needs to be around 200 million for optimal performance.
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P.S. Just don't tell that Evil guy Taz about any of this. He is one Angry man.

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